Volvo XC70

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surveyor

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16,670 posts

161 months

Wednesday 5th January
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It’s January so time for the Volvo to go to work,

Typically the first inspection site notes were labelled 4x4 only. It did well, with only the odd complaint that the rutted track was better suited to a tractor.




Nicks90

401 posts

31 months

Wednesday 5th January
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How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.

robertfleckney

48 posts

118 months

Wednesday 5th January
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Nicks90 said:
How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.
I’ve read the mpg discussion with great enthusiasm. I drive a D5 V70 and my last calculation for fuel economy was about 45 mpg (49mpg indicated on the car’s readout). Albeit, mines a 2WD manual car, but it’s still a euro4 DPF car.

I think most cars of a certain age would benefit from a new thermostat. I know it made a difference in mine, as my car never got above about 74deg, as I found out after a full diagnostic health check and an engine carbon clean. Running at a lower temperature will dent the fuel economy and cause a bigger soot build up.

I think 45mpg long term average, which includes the hit it takes during DPF regeneration, is amazing for a what the car is.

Doofus

19,607 posts

150 months

Wednesday 5th January
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robertfleckney said:
Nicks90 said:
How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.
I’ve read the mpg discussion with great enthusiasm. I drive a D5 V70 and my last calculation for fuel economy was about 45 mpg (49mpg indicated on the car’s readout). Albeit, mines a 2WD manual car, but it’s still a euro4 DPF car.

I think most cars of a certain age would benefit from a new thermostat. I know it made a difference in mine, as my car never got above about 74deg, as I found out after a full diagnostic health check and an engine carbon clean. Running at a lower temperature will dent the fuel economy and cause a bigger soot build up.

I think 45mpg long term average, which includes the hit it takes during DPF regeneration, is amazing for a what the car is.
My car - a low MPG culprit - has a total, 100%, main dealer service history from new.

guitarcarfanatic

1,194 posts

112 months

Wednesday 5th January
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Nicks90 said:
How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.
Manual or auto?

The auto is the killer for most of the D5's tbh. Your MPG seems incredibly impressive - over 100k of miles on fuelly across the years suggests mid 20's for the D5.


Jim on the hill

4,957 posts

167 months

Wednesday 5th January
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guitarcarfanatic said:
Nicks90 said:
How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.
Manual or auto?

The auto is the killer for most of the D5's tbh. Your MPG seems incredibly impressive - over 100k of miles on fuelly across the years suggests mid 20's for the D5.

Mid 20s! That's worse than my Forester Sti with a big fuel pump. Weird.

guitarcarfanatic

1,194 posts

112 months

Wednesday 5th January
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Jim on the hill said:
Mid 20s! That's worse than my Forester Sti with a big fuel pump. Weird.
Sorry - that's the XC90 which is over 2 tonnes biggrin

For the XC70, it ranges from about 29-36 on Fuelly.

Jim on the hill

4,957 posts

167 months

Wednesday 5th January
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guitarcarfanatic said:
Jim on the hill said:
Mid 20s! That's worse than my Forester Sti with a big fuel pump. Weird.
Sorry - that's the XC90 which is over 2 tonnes biggrin

For the XC70, it ranges from about 29-36 on Fuelly.
Makes much more sense, sorry I wasn't keeping up. Really like the XC70s, enjoying the thread.

Nicks90

401 posts

31 months

Wednesday 5th January
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Mines an auto, and yes it's over 2 tonnes and no I don't drive like my grandad. I make good progress but smoothness is the key and the big volvo rewards smoothness anyway with its cossetting seats and mega stereo.
I put it down to using good fuel and partially hyper mile-ing (and a new thermostat!!!!) I hate using the brakes and feel a tiny twinge of failure if I don't anticipate the flow on the mway slowing down and don't judge releasing the cruise or lifting off in time to gradually match speeds. Accelerate back up to speed is always done briskly, as I've found that to use less fuel overall. Especially so when towing.
Around town is do drive conservatively, smooth is the key and I can get 5mpg more than my wife who is a bit 'on or off' with the throttle and always fails to anticipate red lights and has to slam on.

robertfleckney

48 posts

118 months

Friday 7th January
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Nicks90 said:
Mines an auto, and yes it's over 2 tonnes and no I don't drive like my grandad. I make good progress but smoothness is the key and the big volvo rewards smoothness anyway with its cossetting seats and mega stereo.
I put it down to using good fuel and partially hyper mile-ing (and a new thermostat!!!!) I hate using the brakes and feel a tiny twinge of failure if I don't anticipate the flow on the mway slowing down and don't judge releasing the cruise or lifting off in time to gradually match speeds. Accelerate back up to speed is always done briskly, as I've found that to use less fuel overall. Especially so when towing.
Around town is do drive conservatively, smooth is the key and I can get 5mpg more than my wife who is a bit 'on or off' with the throttle and always fails to anticipate red lights and has to slam on.
This all sounds familiar, and very much akin to my own driving style. I’m interested in the ‘get up to speed briskly’ approach and whether that makes a difference. I probably don’t really approach my driving in that way, but perhaps I should. Perhaps some research is in order.

I definitely think the thermostat makes a difference, but it is not something that people routinely change when there gets older.

robertfleckney

48 posts

118 months

Friday 7th January
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Doofus said:
robertfleckney said:
Nicks90 said:
How are you guys not even hitting 30mpg from an xc70? You must be driving it like you stole it or just bumbling about town all day long.
Xc90 here in 205bhp d5 flavour. Spends it's life doing tips runs and general odd-soddery and then once a week between Leeds and Manchester Airport for work. Averaging 34mpg over the last 10000 miles / 2 years and I'd say 1000 of those miles are towing a 6.5m twin axle tin villa.
If it's just the work commute, I get in excess of 40mpg as a mix of steady motorway driving on the m62 and the usual stop start ballcocks through Stockport to the m56/Airport. Have to admit, I generally stick to 75max on the motorway and 55 when towing.
I’ve read the mpg discussion with great enthusiasm. I drive a D5 V70 and my last calculation for fuel economy was about 45 mpg (49mpg indicated on the car’s readout). Albeit, mines a 2WD manual car, but it’s still a euro4 DPF car.

I think most cars of a certain age would benefit from a new thermostat. I know it made a difference in mine, as my car never got above about 74deg, as I found out after a full diagnostic health check and an engine carbon clean. Running at a lower temperature will dent the fuel economy and cause a bigger soot build up.

I think 45mpg long term average, which includes the hit it takes during DPF regeneration, is amazing for a what the car is.
My car - a low MPG culprit - has a total, 100%, main dealer service history from new.
I’m not sure what difference that would make, if any really. It’ll be serviced reasonably regularly, but a dealer isn’t going to touch the thermostat, unless there was a known issue.

Most people will have a thermostat which is partially open, even when the vehicle is cold. This means the car never reaches optimum operating temperature (~90deg) so will be over fueling. You will never know this, because the temperature gauge in a car doesn’t move in a linear fashion. Once the car reaches a certain temp (~70deg for example), the needle shoots to an indicated 90deg, and the driver thinks all is hunky dory.

Only by recording live data while the engine is running would you know this.

Countdown

33,806 posts

173 months

Sunday 9th January
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Re: the D5 mileage debate our XC60 auto is getting 33mpg and that's mainly motorway miles. Disappointing and glad we're not the only ones. Having said that it's feels and drives like a tank and the slushy auto-box doesn't help!

OP - do you find the gearlever a bit clunky when shifting between P/R/N/D?

surveyor

Original Poster:

16,670 posts

161 months

Sunday 9th January
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Countdown said:
Re: the D5 mileage debate our XC60 auto is getting 33mpg and that's mainly motorway miles. Disappointing and glad we're not the only ones. Having said that it's feels and drives like a tank and the slushy auto-box doesn't help!

OP - do you find the gearlever a bit clunky when shifting between P/R/N/D?
It's a bit more mechanical than the latest cars. The gearchanges were a bit rough between R & D (the dog fell over once), but have sorted themselves out. I think a flat battery meant that the gearbox had forgotten its adaptions.

surveyor

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16,670 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th January
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I forgot to reset this until just before hitting wales, so the below consumption is based on at best A roads, and they were in the majority twisty, so not good for cruising. Pretty acceptable I thought.


Doofus

19,607 posts

150 months

Wednesday 12th January
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surveyor said:
I forgot to reset this until just before hitting wales, so the below consumption is based on at best A roads, and they were in the majority twisty, so not good for cruising. Pretty acceptable I thought.

Ah yes, but it's well documented that Radio2 listeners drive everywhere at 56 mph.

wink

surveyor

Original Poster:

16,670 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th January
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Doofus said:
surveyor said:
I forgot to reset this until just before hitting wales, so the below consumption is based on at best A roads, and they were in the majority twisty, so not good for cruising. Pretty acceptable I thought.

Ah yes, but it's well documented that Radio2 listeners drive everywhere at 56 mph.

wink
The heady height of 56 were a distant dream for much of the day…

Pedro25

63 posts

7 months

Thursday 13th January
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I took delivery of a 4 yr old BMW X drive 520d M sport last August, great car but in December after reading this thread I started looking at the XC 70 as I had already decided to go the full ageing family man Volvo estate, they are like rocking horse s**t to find, looking for a D5 up to 55k miles, got close to a lovely one but it went to another buyer on NYE, I still look for them everyday which is more worrying, the Mrs thinks I'm mad!

Davie

4,214 posts

192 months

Thursday 13th January
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Doofus said:
My car - a low MPG culprit - has a total, 100%, main dealer service history from new.
I'm not entirely sure that a fully stamped book is indicative of a healthy car. Plenty people with get a service to get the stamp but ignore any advice for remedial work plus many things simply won't come in to a service unless requested... the state of affairs with the thermostat being one of them. See also Haldex fluid, rear diff fluid, freeing off the ride height sensors, clearing the intake of carbon build up. A service is mainly replace X components, cursory look round, advise the customer, be branded "rip of merchants" wash it and send it on its way for another 20k

surveyor

Original Poster:

16,670 posts

161 months

Thursday 13th January
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Pedro25 said:
I took delivery of a 4 yr old BMW X drive 520d M sport last August, great car but in December after reading this thread I started looking at the XC 70 as I had already decided to go the full ageing family man Volvo estate, they are like rocking horse s**t to find, looking for a D5 up to 55k miles, got close to a lovely one but it went to another buyer on NYE, I still look for them everyday which is more worrying, the Mrs thinks I'm mad!
They exist.

Today I went into a field. Initially, I was going to go no further than the gate, before deciding sod it and driving up the wet grass hill with no problems at all. It does need a wash!


Doofus

19,607 posts

150 months

Thursday 13th January
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Davie said:
Doofus said:
My car - a low MPG culprit - has a total, 100%, main dealer service history from new.
I'm not entirely sure that a fully stamped book is indicative of a healthy car. Plenty people with get a service to get the stamp but ignore any advice for remedial work plus many things simply won't come in to a service unless requested... the state of affairs with the thermostat being one of them. See also Haldex fluid, rear diff fluid, freeing off the ride height sensors, clearing the intake of carbon build up. A service is mainly replace X components, cursory look round, advise the customer, be branded "rip of merchants" wash it and send it on its way for another 20k
My point was that it's very well maintained. I have never refused any work the dealership has suggested. As a result, they give me a bloody good discount, but it still costs.

Over the past three years, I spent, on average £860 per year with the dealer. In 2020 and 2021 cfdombined it only did 1,404 miles. In 2017 they had over £3k off me.

Looking through the paperwork, it had a thermostat in 2021, 2019 and 2016, which is when I bought it..