[Project Post] Citroen AX SPORT 16v [lots of pics]
Discussion
first car i ever drove too, ironically. since then ive had an AX GTI, AX Forte' VTS, AX 14 Diesel (current daily drive) and now this sport.
serial ax owner i think :|
I do quite fancy doing a mk1 golf, but the costs involved to get it to the standard id want is madness. I cant do bodywork prep to concourse standard and british weather sucks so i'd never use it anyway so..
unfortunate
serial ax owner i think :|
I do quite fancy doing a mk1 golf, but the costs involved to get it to the standard id want is madness. I cant do bodywork prep to concourse standard and british weather sucks so i'd never use it anyway so..
unfortunate
lol Lewis, some may say so :P
Daft runabout (AX Diesel) with a funky PBX sub in the back and some nice components up front.
AX Sport VTS - Current project
AX Forte VTS - Currently off the road need to fit a standard exhaust with a CAT, new windscreen, bleed brakes, possibly new caliper? as its pulling to one side slightly and thats about it to get it through MOT, then i'll be selling it im afraid to say, after reshellig it and doing two engine conversions i'll be gutted but the sport will be a whole new league tbh.
Daft runabout (AX Diesel) with a funky PBX sub in the back and some nice components up front.
AX Sport VTS - Current project
AX Forte VTS - Currently off the road need to fit a standard exhaust with a CAT, new windscreen, bleed brakes, possibly new caliper? as its pulling to one side slightly and thats about it to get it through MOT, then i'll be selling it im afraid to say, after reshellig it and doing two engine conversions i'll be gutted but the sport will be a whole new league tbh.
ahhh going to be difficult mate..
I can get my hands on some really nice maxi kitcar bits & pieces, but past that when i start looking into maxi/kit-car wide arches, the fabrication etc required is more than my knowledge will take me im afraid. maybe one day though =]
The 1600 16v engine 'in my opinion' not only sounds & looks better, but also has more potential too.. bare in mind that in full maxi spec they produced something like 230bhp... N/A... although they dont do very much under 5krpm from what i hear
Besides.. what the future holds engine wise who knows :P
Banana yellow AX Sport with lots of surge/chatter!? sounds like a plan
I can get my hands on some really nice maxi kitcar bits & pieces, but past that when i start looking into maxi/kit-car wide arches, the fabrication etc required is more than my knowledge will take me im afraid. maybe one day though =]
The 1600 16v engine 'in my opinion' not only sounds & looks better, but also has more potential too.. bare in mind that in full maxi spec they produced something like 230bhp... N/A... although they dont do very much under 5krpm from what i hear
Besides.. what the future holds engine wise who knows :P
Banana yellow AX Sport with lots of surge/chatter!? sounds like a plan
Edited by Jessop on Monday 14th April 23:47
UPDATE
Been working on the wiring today, what a chore on !
Have moved the relays tot he passenger side of the loom now.
Note: Right hand drive MK2 loom on a left hand drive MK1 dash
This is sort of what the previous loom was like, only put together better rather than bullet connectors and crimps that fell apart as i was taking the dash off!!
I still have to move the multiplug with about 20 wires on it to the other side of the dash for the headlight loom, that goes through the side of the shell to behind the inner wing. Will be a ball ache, but i guess worth it at the end of the day.
Jonathan (rallyax) came round the other day to check out how things were. Came up with a few ideas about mounting these MK2 stalks to the MK1 steering column to suit the MK1 dash. Will see how that goes too.
More to come..
Also..
Ive managed to get hold of the original MSA logbook for the car. so will need to keep the build relativley strict with the right bits =]
Been working on the wiring today, what a chore on !
Have moved the relays tot he passenger side of the loom now.
Note: Right hand drive MK2 loom on a left hand drive MK1 dash
This is sort of what the previous loom was like, only put together better rather than bullet connectors and crimps that fell apart as i was taking the dash off!!
I still have to move the multiplug with about 20 wires on it to the other side of the dash for the headlight loom, that goes through the side of the shell to behind the inner wing. Will be a ball ache, but i guess worth it at the end of the day.
Jonathan (rallyax) came round the other day to check out how things were. Came up with a few ideas about mounting these MK2 stalks to the MK1 steering column to suit the MK1 dash. Will see how that goes too.
More to come..
Also..
Ive managed to get hold of the original MSA logbook for the car. so will need to keep the build relativley strict with the right bits =]
Cracking on
The new toy:
Friend of mine who's been welding for a while and im confident in his abilities helped me out (as i wasnt prepared to start [u]learning[/u] to weld on the sport which would potentially ruin it.
Reinforced the engine mount on the 'passenger' side
Filled a bunch of random holes that were all over the place in the engine bay.. just need to grind them flat now.
in action..
... Then it got dark
Decided to cut away the scuttle panel, as it was chopped to pieces anyway and i figure it would mean things are more accessible in the bay, especially the inlet manifold in the AX bay on the VTS engine, also will give me room for some long trumpets for ITB's if i decide to go down that route, and ultimatley make the bay much tidier which is what i want to achieve at the end of the day.
Seam welding to make sure its still strong
Bit of a bad picture but you get the idea.. still a bit to cut off at each end but got dark and didnt want to make any costly mistakes!
I think im going to take the sport steady now though and not rush it.
If i can get a decent quote on my other AX VTS i'll insure that for the next fw months for the show season, take it apart over the next few weeks and tart it up a bit. Its not been used for the last 2 months as MOT ran out and ive nto been able to source a standard exhaust on the cheap to pass emissions :lol:
Anyhow, will keep you all updated with how things go. ill take some better pics of the welding work once its all been done probably on the coming weekend!
The new toy:
Friend of mine who's been welding for a while and im confident in his abilities helped me out (as i wasnt prepared to start [u]learning[/u] to weld on the sport which would potentially ruin it.
Reinforced the engine mount on the 'passenger' side
Filled a bunch of random holes that were all over the place in the engine bay.. just need to grind them flat now.
in action..
... Then it got dark
Decided to cut away the scuttle panel, as it was chopped to pieces anyway and i figure it would mean things are more accessible in the bay, especially the inlet manifold in the AX bay on the VTS engine, also will give me room for some long trumpets for ITB's if i decide to go down that route, and ultimatley make the bay much tidier which is what i want to achieve at the end of the day.
Seam welding to make sure its still strong
Bit of a bad picture but you get the idea.. still a bit to cut off at each end but got dark and didnt want to make any costly mistakes!
I think im going to take the sport steady now though and not rush it.
If i can get a decent quote on my other AX VTS i'll insure that for the next fw months for the show season, take it apart over the next few weeks and tart it up a bit. Its not been used for the last 2 months as MOT ran out and ive nto been able to source a standard exhaust on the cheap to pass emissions :lol:
Anyhow, will keep you all updated with how things go. ill take some better pics of the welding work once its all been done probably on the coming weekend!
UPDATE...
A slight problem
I returned home from work thisafternoon to discover the house that is owned by a guy that doesnt actually lives there [lives on a campsite] and i was using his garage while he's away has sold his house and the new owners want all my stuff out of the garage ASAP. by the end of this bank holiday weekend basically.
So this evening i've been frantically trying to get everything [that was rather well organized] together and put it somewhere.
Now at this point i should point out that we've recently fitted a logburner in the conservatory and there is a fooking huge amount of wood stashed away in our garage, and my dads smiths woodworking machine is also there, not to mention various tools, freezer, various coupbards for food storage etc so im very limited for space... of which to fit an AX shell, various suspension components & setups, gearbox, 3 engines, all the bits and pieces that make up the car such as gear linkages handbrake radiator hoses etc etc. two dashboards various car looms... the list goes on [.. but you get the idea]
So for now im in desperate need for a lockup somewhere local, otherwise when my folks gets back from York on sunday evening they're going to kill me as you seriously CANNOT move in there. and thats even before ive put the shell in there [due to a big skip being in the way].
Some pics of how my garage looks so far. [still more to go!!]
Heres what its like across the road...
Now i should also add that i need to move my other AX VTS off the chaps drive ASAP also. however that also has no suspension up front, no loom, steering rack, brakes, servo etc on it.. and engine is about ready to drop out [hence the engien crane in the middle of my garage].
The sport is absolutley full of bits and pieces at the moment too, so its a bit of a s
t situation to be in tbh
Just thought i'd give a breif update anyhow for the record =]
A slight problem
I returned home from work thisafternoon to discover the house that is owned by a guy that doesnt actually lives there [lives on a campsite] and i was using his garage while he's away has sold his house and the new owners want all my stuff out of the garage ASAP. by the end of this bank holiday weekend basically.
So this evening i've been frantically trying to get everything [that was rather well organized] together and put it somewhere.
Now at this point i should point out that we've recently fitted a logburner in the conservatory and there is a fooking huge amount of wood stashed away in our garage, and my dads smiths woodworking machine is also there, not to mention various tools, freezer, various coupbards for food storage etc so im very limited for space... of which to fit an AX shell, various suspension components & setups, gearbox, 3 engines, all the bits and pieces that make up the car such as gear linkages handbrake radiator hoses etc etc. two dashboards various car looms... the list goes on [.. but you get the idea
]So for now im in desperate need for a lockup somewhere local, otherwise when my folks gets back from York on sunday evening they're going to kill me as you seriously CANNOT move in there. and thats even before ive put the shell in there [due to a big skip being in the way].
Some pics of how my garage looks so far. [still more to go!!]
Heres what its like across the road...
Now i should also add that i need to move my other AX VTS off the chaps drive ASAP also. however that also has no suspension up front, no loom, steering rack, brakes, servo etc on it.. and engine is about ready to drop out [hence the engien crane in the middle of my garage].
The sport is absolutley full of bits and pieces at the moment too, so its a bit of a s
t situation to be in tbh Just thought i'd give a breif update anyhow for the record =]
they havent been too unreasonable tbh. they could have just opened the garage and shot all my stuff onto the road.. few grands worth of bits and pieces. ledas, 'special' works shell, my new welding equipment shot blasting gear etc etc lol..
I was planning on removing the engine and getting the bay resprayed ready for next weekend on the burgendy vts you can see in the bottom picture, bit of a pig to do that now without anywhere to work on it :| =[
I was planning on removing the engine and getting the bay resprayed ready for next weekend on the burgendy vts you can see in the bottom picture, bit of a pig to do that now without anywhere to work on it :| =[
benhunt said:
Jessop - what did you end up doing with your "lack of space" problem? Hope it all sorted itself out.
Ben
Having to presevere my friend. Ben
.. dad is still having a good old moan though!!
Bits and pieces from my other VTS which im tidying up ready for summer as the sport wotn be ready!
Chocker garage! and theres still another engine and some other bits and pieces in another garage lol
Edited by Jessop on Thursday 29th May 23:59
Well considering its pretty old skool, has an MSA logbook, and the suspension is set up for competition use, ive been considering a pretty hardcore 8v lump but im unsure yet as i may still be slower than a bog 16v as per discussion on in the engine section.
Some pics of potential engine to go in..
Thoughts people? need some opinions on said idea, also on the 16v route as my other ax (soon to be sold) is already 16v and i enjoy the power and the noise, also it has a huge amount more potential. eventually i will have either a bodied, or boosted vts, but at the moment the idea of a small revvy 8v on bodies sounds kinda cool..
" just a little 1400 " ring any bells? lol!
On top of that, if its going to be built for competition, i would possibly consider going for a BE box eventually as i plan going the boosted route. Im considering fitting these as they are designed to fit my rose jointed wishbones, only problem is maintenence, the dampers wont be cheap to replace as the struts are form a 106 maxi kitcar. the brakes are AP 4pots with rotors & bells, again.. not cheap to replace.. also not dust sealed so i think the wilwoods are overall a better idea, depending how they fair on track and if the dust seals deteriorate due to heat.
Also means slight modification to AX top mounts to fit 3 stud top mounts, rather than the 2 stud ax ones.
Have to admit they do look pretty bad ass in the flesh !
thoughts & suggestions most welcome.
Some pics of potential engine to go in..
Thoughts people? need some opinions on said idea, also on the 16v route as my other ax (soon to be sold) is already 16v and i enjoy the power and the noise, also it has a huge amount more potential. eventually i will have either a bodied, or boosted vts, but at the moment the idea of a small revvy 8v on bodies sounds kinda cool..
" just a little 1400 " ring any bells? lol!
On top of that, if its going to be built for competition, i would possibly consider going for a BE box eventually as i plan going the boosted route. Im considering fitting these as they are designed to fit my rose jointed wishbones, only problem is maintenence, the dampers wont be cheap to replace as the struts are form a 106 maxi kitcar. the brakes are AP 4pots with rotors & bells, again.. not cheap to replace.. also not dust sealed so i think the wilwoods are overall a better idea, depending how they fair on track and if the dust seals deteriorate due to heat.
Also means slight modification to AX top mounts to fit 3 stud top mounts, rather than the 2 stud ax ones.
Have to admit they do look pretty bad ass in the flesh !
thoughts & suggestions most welcome.
Engine
1360cc steel block hillclimb/race engine
Webber Alpha ECU (Gold spec)
Balenced and lightened crank
Big sump (baffled)
New iron block
Steel rods
Forged alloy high compression pistons
Uprated bolts
GMC custom grind cam (details to come)
GMC full race head (details to come)
uprated valve springs (details to come)
40mm Webber Alpha throttle bodies
GMC inlet mani
GMC lightweight flywheel
AP racing lug drive clutch
GMC BTB exhaust mani
sure theres things missed off it, and may not be 100% accurate but still waiting for more detailed info to come though ..
1360cc steel block hillclimb/race engine
Webber Alpha ECU (Gold spec)
Balenced and lightened crank
Big sump (baffled)
New iron block
Steel rods
Forged alloy high compression pistons
Uprated bolts
GMC custom grind cam (details to come)
GMC full race head (details to come)
uprated valve springs (details to come)
40mm Webber Alpha throttle bodies
GMC inlet mani
GMC lightweight flywheel
AP racing lug drive clutch
GMC BTB exhaust mani
sure theres things missed off it, and may not be 100% accurate but still waiting for more detailed info to come though ..
Since the car has been sat in a warehouse for storage for the last few months, well.. Since before summer 2008' anyway ive decided to crack on with this thing again.
Plans have changed somewhat, So here goes...
UPDATE
Small update anyway, but a rather funky one none the less.
Some new bits for the Sport, Engine rebuild on the cards, need a whole load of other bits. Not 100% decided on what turbo to use AS YET, Although 230atw is sounding like a nice figure.
Will have an omex 600 standalone ecu here in the next few weeks too. Think i'm going to have a bash at making my own 'minimalistic' loom, It will do the job fine!
Anyway..., new bits.
Forged Peugeot sport rods
Forged omega low comp pistons
DP Engineering stainless 'blister' manifold with wastegate and T2 flange
DP Engineering stainless 'blister' 2.5' downpipe with 2 lambda attachments & exhaust flange option
DP Engineering Screamer pipe
Turbosmart 'Ultra Gate' 38mm wastegate'
More info on the bits if you were interested:
Manifold: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/exhaust_m...
Downpipe: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/downpipes...
Wastegate: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/wastegate...
Plans have changed somewhat, So here goes...
UPDATE
Small update anyway, but a rather funky one none the less.
Some new bits for the Sport, Engine rebuild on the cards, need a whole load of other bits. Not 100% decided on what turbo to use AS YET, Although 230atw is sounding like a nice figure.
Will have an omex 600 standalone ecu here in the next few weeks too. Think i'm going to have a bash at making my own 'minimalistic' loom, It will do the job fine!
Anyway..., new bits.
Forged Peugeot sport rods
Forged omega low comp pistons
DP Engineering stainless 'blister' manifold with wastegate and T2 flange
DP Engineering stainless 'blister' 2.5' downpipe with 2 lambda attachments & exhaust flange option
DP Engineering Screamer pipe
Turbosmart 'Ultra Gate' 38mm wastegate'
More info on the bits if you were interested:
Manifold: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/exhaust_m...
Downpipe: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/downpipes...
Wastegate: http://www.dp-engineering.nl/EN/products/wastegate...
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