I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[shalmaneser]

esotericar said:

Not liking the Tip' has nowt to do with delusions of driving grandeur. It's just about what you prefer using and enjoy.

Personally don't enjoy Tip' in this kind of car any more than I would a manual in a luxury saloon. Our Nige doesn't come into it.

Agreed. I bloody love changing gear so a slusher doesn't appeal, I also hate the sound of those slurred gear changes. Obviously different for a big old barge!

I can kind of see the appeal of a PDK for the wannabe racer but also not for me, possibly if I was going to track the car nonstop but the challenge of changing gear myself on track is part of the fun for me too.

[Mariosbt]

shalmaneser said:

Agreed. I bloody love changing gear so a slusher doesn't appeal, I also hate the sound of those slurred gear changes. Obviously different for a big old barge!

I can kind of see the appeal of a PDK for the wannabe racer but also not for me, possibly if I was going to track the car nonstop but the challenge of changing gear myself on track is part of the fun for me too.

I do not get the ‘slusher’ tag. I know the PDK is better but nothing wrong with Tip to me. Maybe because I had Mercedes for 15 years before I got into Boxsters ( 3 , all manual ). and now the 911 …Tip. There’s no ‘slurred’ gear changes. Must have been something wrong with the Tip you drove

[shalmaneser]

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

slusher

no really I'll stop now

Back on track after a while my 996 is making a sound like creaking ropes on an old wooden ship when I turn the wheel. I think it's the top mounts, has anyone experienced anything similar? I've swapped out the coffin arms so I don't think it's the ball joins as the creaking happens when I steer not when the suspension compresses. Top mounts are still original so no.1 suspects.

[esotericar]

Yes, think that is probably the top mounts.

[Mikeeb]

Sounds like top mounts to me.

[ATM]

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

Well it is a slusher. Any old fashioned Torque converter box is a slusher. Thats a fact, I think. But they run these on drag strip cars right. So it all comes down to the speed of the change. On my BMW it is a bit ssllloooowwwww. But even while its stirring the gears you still get some thrust because it has a big v8 to hustle things along.

I will admit I have never driven a Tip.

The only Tip which I have experienced [from the passenger seat] was a 996TT. And that was very impressive. The best bit was if you gunned it at about 30 in 2nd gear it would drop down to 1st before take off.

[edc]

ATM said:

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

Well it is a slusher. Any old fashioned Torque converter box is a slusher. Thats a fact, I think. But they run these on drag strip cars right. So it all comes down to the speed of the change. On my BMW it is a bit ssllloooowwwww. But even while its stirring the gears you still get some thrust because it has a big v8 to hustle things along.

I will admit I have never driven a Tip.

The only Tip which I have experienced [from the passenger seat] was a 996TT. And that was very impressive. The best bit was if you gunned it at about 30 in 2nd gear it would drop down to 1st before take off.

I'm pretty sure all tips start in 2nd gear unless you floor it.

The tip is a Merc box. I had a C55 AMG and you can improve things with a TCU remap but it's never as fast as the newer style DSG/DCT/PDK style boxes. A lot of the change characteristic of the auto gearbox is in the way the software is engineered.

[Mikeeb]

The 5 speed Merc box always starts in second unless 1st manually selected. If you stamp on the throttle from stationary it’ll downshift

[Mariosbt]

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

slusher

no really I'll stop now

Back on track after a while my 996 is making a sound like creaking ropes on an old wooden ship when I turn the wheel. I think it's the top mounts, has anyone experienced anything similar? I've swapped out the coffin arms so I don't think it's the ball joins as the creaking happens when I steer not when the suspension compresses. Top mounts are still original so no.1 suspects.

My 997.1 was making the same noise during the very hot weather. Now it’s cooled down I haven’t really noticed it tbh.

[shalmaneser]

Mariosbt said:

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

slusher

no really I'll stop now

Back on track after a while my 996 is making a sound like creaking ropes on an old wooden ship when I turn the wheel. I think it's the top mounts, has anyone experienced anything similar? I've swapped out the coffin arms so I don't think it's the ball joins as the creaking happens when I steer not when the suspension compresses. Top mounts are still original so no.1 suspects.

My 997.1 was making the same noise during the very hot weather. Now it’s cooled down I haven’t really noticed it tbh.

Mine does the same! Much worse when it's hot. Non-existent if it rains.... First noticed during a particularly hot track day.

[Mariosbt]

shalmaneser said:

Mariosbt said:

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

slusher

no really I'll stop now

Back on track after a while my 996 is making a sound like creaking ropes on an old wooden ship when I turn the wheel. I think it's the top mounts, has anyone experienced anything similar? I've swapped out the coffin arms so I don't think it's the ball joins as the creaking happens when I steer not when the suspension compresses. Top mounts are still original so no.1 suspects.

My 997.1 was making the same noise during the very hot weather. Now it’s cooled down I haven’t really noticed it tbh.

Mine does the same! Much worse when it's hot. Non-existent if it rains.... First noticed during a particularly hot track day.

Rain! Good grief… it doesn’t go out in the rain!

[shalmaneser]

Mariosbt said:

shalmaneser said:

Mariosbt said:

shalmaneser said:

Hey look I'm glad you like your car! I'll stop saying slusher if you'd like... ATM started it anyway.

slusher

no really I'll stop now

Back on track after a while my 996 is making a sound like creaking ropes on an old wooden ship when I turn the wheel. I think it's the top mounts, has anyone experienced anything similar? I've swapped out the coffin arms so I don't think it's the ball joins as the creaking happens when I steer not when the suspension compresses. Top mounts are still original so no.1 suspects.

My 997.1 was making the same noise during the very hot weather. Now it’s cooled down I haven’t really noticed it tbh.

Mine does the same! Much worse when it's hot. Non-existent if it rains.... First noticed during a particularly hot track day.

Rain! Good grief… it doesn’t go out in the rain!

Why not? Nothing like a free wash to keep a car looking smart.

[esotericar]

Noticed a couple of threads elsewhere that I thought might be of interest. Have always thought of 986/996 cars as being remarkably good re rot, but perhaps they are now getting to an age where inevitable can't be resisted and a bit more due diligence is required when purchasing.

Very rotten 996:
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=140344&st...



Somewhat rotten 986:
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=150468


This may not be news, in which case apologies. But I haven't seen a really rotten 9x6 myself. Some discussion on 911uk seems to indicate that rotten 996s are becoming an increasing 'thing'.

Not clear to what extent that's the case with 986s, my two 986s had no significant rust at all. One was a very early 1997 Stuttgart built car, the other a 2001 Valmet car. Not sure if that aspect - production location - may play a part.

Edited by esotericar on Sunday 18th September 13:36

[2Btoo]

Valmet have a reputation for building cars well, but then do Stuttgart.

My 987.1 Cayman (Valmet-built) is rust-free on the bodywork but the bolt-on bits (suspension parts for instance) are looking disappointingly brown. Bad enough for me to have an advisory for rust on the rear beam at MOT time earlier on this year. I rubbed it down and put some stuff on and it's all fine, but still disappointing.

[Escy]

There aren't many bolt on bits to rust with a Porsche, the majority of it is aluminium.

Everyone I've looked at has been remarkably good considering their age. Those cars are exceptions rather than normal. I note the 996 has a sunroof. I'd suggest it's been leaking water inside for a long time and this is the result of it.

[Baked_bean]

My old 996 had to have a little bit of work done on the chassis rails, where the under seal had been damaged by stones and bumps etc. the water had got between the protection and metal and started to rot it.

I feel it is becoming a problem sadly, makes a change from IMS worries (I don’t get the deal as it isn’t expensive relatively speaking to get this changed).

[barryrs]

I think mine has spent most of its life in a garage as it has very good bodywork; however, if you haven’t already get the rear arch liners out and give them a good clean up.

[was8v]

The problem with these is the mega thick underseal

Yes it has protected them for 20 years+

But now, wherever there is a nick or chip in the underseal, the water has festered and spread and rotted them out from under the thick rubbery coating.

So you have no idea whats going on until you poke the underseal and huge swathes of it comes off along with rusted through metal.

A little dramatic perhaps, but nothing can stave off rust for this long.

Its an old car, old cars are rusty - live with it or buy a new one.

[esotericar]

was8v said:

Its an old car, old cars are rusty - live with it or buy a new one.

Well, in my experience, the level of rust varies pretty dramatically from one old car to the next. Some cars 10 years younger than an early 986 can be really rotten. And think it's worth pondering, especially for anyone distance buying without being able to view, as a few in this thread have done.

Wouldn't have previously considered major rust as something worth worrying about with these cars - and I think most are still probably good in that regard - but I think especially on higher mile cars, something to bear in mind.

[was8v]

esotericar said:

Wouldn't have previously considered major rust as something worth worrying about with these cars - and I think most are still probably good in that regard - but I think especially on higher mile cars, something to bear in mind.

Some are 24 years old.

Rusty 986 Boxsters have been a thing since before I looked at buying my 996 about 8 years ago.

They have not gone away, just got more rusty.

They are not all rusty, but your average 120k UK used one will likely be, especially if it was used year round by a couple of owners.