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Agreed, It is worth bearing in mind but from my experience of owning a high mileage 986 and viewing and testing many others, Rust and corrosion is far, far, far down the list with these cars when compared with many others.
Have a look at Honda S2000s, for a starter!
I remember when i did an interview for a PH article a few years ago, i even mentioned that it was refreshing coming from a series of Japanese car, not to have to worry about rust.
Theres a properly rust black 996 with Aero kit for sale currently but its cheap, and also done mega miles. Not unheard of, but certainly not the prime consideration it is with some other cars.
in fact, other than the blessed Manifold studs and triangular mid-pipe joins, everything mechanical tends to fare very well. I rememver thinking when doing a big suspension refresh, how good the quality of the fasteners, brackets etc was. You can definitely tell you are working on the cheapest Porsche, rather than the most expnesive Mazda, if that makes sense.
The bits underneath a cheap 986 Boxster from this thread are still fundamentally mostly the same bits as underneath a 996 GT3 or Turbo and that quality shows.
Have a look at Honda S2000s, for a starter!
I remember when i did an interview for a PH article a few years ago, i even mentioned that it was refreshing coming from a series of Japanese car, not to have to worry about rust.
Theres a properly rust black 996 with Aero kit for sale currently but its cheap, and also done mega miles. Not unheard of, but certainly not the prime consideration it is with some other cars.
in fact, other than the blessed Manifold studs and triangular mid-pipe joins, everything mechanical tends to fare very well. I rememver thinking when doing a big suspension refresh, how good the quality of the fasteners, brackets etc was. You can definitely tell you are working on the cheapest Porsche, rather than the most expnesive Mazda, if that makes sense.
The bits underneath a cheap 986 Boxster from this thread are still fundamentally mostly the same bits as underneath a 996 GT3 or Turbo and that quality shows.
2005 987 3.2S with extended leather. Bit leggy but only £6k from a dealer. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209219...
Looks decent value on the face of it. Zoom in on some pics and the wheels need a refurb. Looks like it's wearing some mid range Falkens. Also looks like a scrape on one wheel arch but for the age and mileage it's probably what you'd expect. It would be a bonus if it had recent brakes and suspension.
Crazy amount of car for the money. I always worry a car like that at a dealer like that has been part ex'ed with some major but not immediately obvious issue. Using loads of oil, cracked head etc.
If they're selling it for £6k, what the heck did they pay for it? Would have been pennies.
If they're selling it for £6k, what the heck did they pay for it? Would have been pennies.
edc said:
Looks decent value on the face of it. Zoom in on some pics and the wheels need a refurb. Looks like it's wearing some mid range Falkens. Also looks like a scrape on one wheel arch but for the age and mileage it's probably what you'd expect. It would be a bonus if it had recent brakes and suspension.
It's been for sale seven times in the last two years. Also, the following flagged up in the last MOT:Advisory Notices
Front brake pipe corroded, covered in grease or other material (1.1.11 (c))
Nearside rear anti-roll bar linkage ball joint has slight play (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))
Exhaust has a minor leak of exhaust gases manifolds area (6.1.2 (a))
Yeah, ultimately with careful shopping you could probably net a really nice one with 100k miles and in good condition for about £8k privately.
Couple of extra thousand can buy so much more car condition wise at this end of the market. Unlikely to find anything that wants for literally nothing, but a bit more cash up front would probably be cheaper in the end and help avoid buying a rolling crate of expensive issues.
Still, 3.2 987.1S I think is the bargain of the moment, has been for a while. Best value option, you get so, so much car. 986s seemed to have ticked up a bit, but not the 987.1, they've barely budged. Perhaps held back by bad reliability rep, which only makes the 3.2 more of a bargain as it's really pretty good in that regard.
987.2 Boxsters are looking OK value, too. Seen some really nice ones at reasonable prices, albeit quite a premium over a 3.2.
Couple of extra thousand can buy so much more car condition wise at this end of the market. Unlikely to find anything that wants for literally nothing, but a bit more cash up front would probably be cheaper in the end and help avoid buying a rolling crate of expensive issues.
Still, 3.2 987.1S I think is the bargain of the moment, has been for a while. Best value option, you get so, so much car. 986s seemed to have ticked up a bit, but not the 987.1, they've barely budged. Perhaps held back by bad reliability rep, which only makes the 3.2 more of a bargain as it's really pretty good in that regard.
987.2 Boxsters are looking OK value, too. Seen some really nice ones at reasonable prices, albeit quite a premium over a 3.2.
paulguitar said:
edc said:
Looks decent value on the face of it. Zoom in on some pics and the wheels need a refurb. Looks like it's wearing some mid range Falkens. Also looks like a scrape on one wheel arch but for the age and mileage it's probably what you'd expect. It would be a bonus if it had recent brakes and suspension.
It's been for sale seven times in the last two years. Also, the following flagged up in the last MOT:Advisory Notices
Front brake pipe corroded, covered in grease or other material (1.1.11 (c))
Nearside rear anti-roll bar linkage ball joint has slight play (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (1.1.14 (a) (ii))
Exhaust has a minor leak of exhaust gases manifolds area (6.1.2 (a))
7 times for sale is a useful data point though. Either a problem car or shows that it's a tough sell in the current and recent market despite the uptick in prices generally. With inflation the way it is people aren't using their slush funds for what may be perceived as older and less reliable weekend cars that cost money to run.
RM said:
2005 987 3.2S with extended leather. Bit leggy but only £6k from a dealer. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209219...
Amazing deal, you've got the warranty to back you up should something non obvious crop up...RM said:
paulguitar said:
It's been for sale seven times in the last two years
Interesting, where do you get this data?It's the first time I have looked at 987s in a while, there seems to be a softening of prices.
Sale data is from 'Total car Check'.
VSKeith said:
WojaWabbit said:
VSKeith said:
Utterly marvellous.
Might we ask the level of poverty outlay?
Thanks, it certainly seems OK for now. Time will tell if that holds true! Might we ask the level of poverty outlay?
A smidge over £10k.
Took it over to the 'ring and it lasted a few hours before it developed a Tourettes-style tick. Waiting on it being transported back to the UK for diagnosis. I've updated the 'Eary 3.4' thread here for anyone that wants to know more about the dark side of playing poverty pork roulette!
Needless to say it ain't gonna be cheap to rectify, whatever the damage turns out to be. However, the low purchase price of the car should allow me to get up to what a 'good' .1 C2 would have cost me, but I'll end up with a refreshed and upgraded engine. Well, that's what I'm telling myself anyway!
2004 3.2s
6 Speed Manual
58,000 Miles
car was supplied by Mortimer’s Prestige Ltd back in June
£11,995.00
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334566207980
Hidden away in the blurb it says - should you not desire the Veloce upgrade wheels and tyre package currently fitted, the car can be purchased for £10,495 with its original factory 18” Carrera Classic Alloys with excellent part used tyres - that sounds like a much better deal to Me
6 Speed Manual
58,000 Miles
car was supplied by Mortimer’s Prestige Ltd back in June
£11,995.00
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334566207980
Hidden away in the blurb it says - should you not desire the Veloce upgrade wheels and tyre package currently fitted, the car can be purchased for £10,495 with its original factory 18” Carrera Classic Alloys with excellent part used tyres - that sounds like a much better deal to Me
100% agreed, and I did a bit of confirming, they are cast wheels, some sort of re-badged item, and no doubt weigh an absolute tonne.
Forget the wheels, let the seller keep them. The car itself looks lovely. Some real nice 986s about at the ~10-12k mark recently.
Carerra GT Steering wheel (with free car attached) anyone?
45k Guard, Litronics, Sport seats and extended leather.
https://www.douglasclassics.com/vehicle/porsche-bo...
Forget the wheels, let the seller keep them. The car itself looks lovely. Some real nice 986s about at the ~10-12k mark recently.
Carerra GT Steering wheel (with free car attached) anyone?
45k Guard, Litronics, Sport seats and extended leather.
https://www.douglasclassics.com/vehicle/porsche-bo...
Edited by snotrag on Thursday 29th September 14:35
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