I've just bought some poverty Pork ....

I've just bought some poverty Pork ....

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MogulBoy

2,392 posts

169 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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Nothing wrong with 2.5's of course but the early 2.7's offer a number of improvements with the E-gas throttle and the optional PSM being possibly the most notable.

The trim is generally nicer on the later cars (more soft touch bits and fewer shiny buttons) and the hood has a liner.

It's a dangerous game though as mechanical worries aside, there are so many incremental improvements each year (2002's had a nicer matrix display and electic trunk buttons!, 2003's have the glovebox and glass window etc.) that you can quickly talk yourself into buying the 2013 model.

I wouldn't get too excited about the lower weight of the early cars thoughas the difference can't be much. Just remember the PH Boxster mantra: Don't waste money replacing the ambers and always run the smallest wheels that you can live with aesthetically!

My top tip for early Boxster heaven is to run it without the (optional in the early days) lower centre console: GT3 style. Less weight(!) and that old school look yum and replace the front engine mount (if it hasn't already been done).

dibblecorse

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5,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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MogulBoy said:
Nothing wrong with 2.5's of course but the early 2.7's offer a number of improvements with the E-gas throttle and the optional PSM being possibly the most notable.

The trim is generally nicer on the later cars (more soft touch bits and fewer shiny buttons) and the hood has a liner.

It's a dangerous game though as mechanical worries aside, there are so many incremental improvements each year (2002's had a nicer matrix display and electic trunk buttons!, 2003's have the glovebox and glass window etc.) that you can quickly talk yourself into buying the 2013 model.

I wouldn't get too excited about the lower weight of the early cars thoughas the difference can't be much. Just remember the PH Boxster mantra: Don't waste money replacing the ambers and always run the smallest wheels that you can live with aesthetically!

My top tip for early Boxster heaven is to run it without the (optional in the early days) lower centre console: GT3 style. Less weight(!) and that old school look yum and replace the front engine mount (if it hasn't already been done).
lol, cheers for the advice, if I keep itthe only thing i wouldlike is the glass rear screen ....

its on 17's so thats fine already, as for the rest, not too fussed, it has a 6 CD Changer so thats all I need ...

monthefish

19,370 posts

177 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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MogulBoy said:
It's a dangerous game though as mechanical worries aside, there are so many incremental improvements each year (2002's had a nicer matrix display and electic trunk buttons!, 2003's have the glovebox and glass window etc.) that you can quickly talk yourself into buying the 2013 model.
The old 'Porsche cost walk'.

I don;t know of any other manufacturer that is as good at this as Porsche.

GC8

18,417 posts

136 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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Jammy Dodger said:
not really, the haters clearly misunderstood my point.
'The haters'? What the f*ck does this mean?

dibblecorse

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5,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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GC8 said:
'The haters'? What the f*ck does this mean?
those that criticised his opinions .....

GC8

18,417 posts

136 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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So find me foolish and I dismiss you as a 'hater'? What a wally.

dibblecorse

Original Poster:

5,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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GC8 said:
So find me foolish and I dismiss you as a 'hater'? What a wally.
Wally, great turn of phrase, very old school smile

TOV!E

2,016 posts

180 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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gibbon said:
Exactly.
Ditto

GC8

18,417 posts

136 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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dibblecorse said:
GC8 said:
So find me foolish and I dismiss you as a 'hater'? What a wally.
Wally, great turn of phrase, very old school smile
Pregerable to getting all MTV gangsta on him. biggrin

Shewie

544 posts

136 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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dibblecorse said:
lol, cheers for the advice, if I keep itthe only thing i wouldlike is the glass rear screen ....

its on 17's so thats fine already, as for the rest, not too fussed, it has a 6 CD Changer so thats all I need ...
Glass rear screen is a very worthwhile upgrade (though not cheap if you're on a budget).

The main reason being that you don't have to get out of the car and crease the window when you lower the roof which is a real pain in the arse!!!

As well as freshening up the look of the car, it also has a heated window which is great and plugs into the hardtop socket, so uses the existing button on the dash.

I went down this route when my plastic window cold cracked whilst using it in the winter. I had one fitted by a place in Bournemouth who were great and used one of these hoods from BAS international http://www.car-hood.co.uk/

Quality was as good as OEM in my opinion.

dibblecorse

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5,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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Shewie said:
Glass rear screen is a very worthwhile upgrade (though not cheap if you're on a budget).

The main reason being that you don't have to get out of the car and crease the window when you lower the roof which is a real pain in the arse!!!

As well as freshening up the look of the car, it also has a heated window which is great and plugs into the hardtop socket, so uses the existing button on the dash.

I went down this route when my plastic window cold cracked whilst using it in the winter. I had one fitted by a place in Bournemouth who were great and used one of these hoods from BAS international http://www.car-hood.co.uk/

Quality was as good as OEM in my opinion.
Cheers, £550 doesnt seem too bad and the rear window on mine I have been told has gone slightly milky in one corner, also I heard about the hood 'chop' when opening, sounds like a pain !!!!

Track_Puppy

62 posts

133 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Funnily enough the roof chop never bothered me that much when I had my Boxster, my two annoyances were fogging up in the winter and the milky / cloudiness over time. The former wasn't actually that bad (the screen's close enough to wipe with a cloth from the inside, then direct the middle heater-blower at it to keep it clear) and you can buy creams that make a big difference to the clarity of the plastic. I used one made by "Renovo" (about £10-15 I think), in fact I used the same bottle on both my Boxster and (later) my 996 and still have plenty left. If you set aside an hour or two, do small patches at a time as it tells you to, and give it some shoulder-welly the difference is very noticeable (although it'll never be perfect / as new).

I never looked into it that carefully, but I gathered that a new hood with glass rear screen wasn't great. The canvas has to bend in a different way so as to avoid trying to bend glass, and the whole mechanism (and look) is different as a result...?

P.S. For my sins I did change the lenses to clear (the fronts cost a bomb!)

Track_Puppy

62 posts

133 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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snorkel sucker said:
So are the 2.5's a safer bet than the 2.7's in terms of 'stuff going wrong? A couple of encouraging posts on here suggest running one with no abnormal costs other than the usual stuff.

At £4-6k they look very tempting, and the "lack" of power wouldn't matter 2 hoots; mid-engined and rear wheel drive + roof off fun. Lighter too, yes? Which means easier on consumables for those days where a cheeky track outing is on the cards...

The O/H wants a Boxster but, as i'm a total Porsche virgin, I get scared by all the IMS horror stories. Should I not be...?!
I find it literally staggering you can get so much car for way less than £10k! As long as you're sure it's not cheap for a reason (real potential for false economies with buying porkies!) it'll be a blast. When buying my 996 I called plenty of official and indie garages asking if they'd take a look at various (private) cars for me, if brought to them, and in the end my usual indie (Northway in Reading) charged only something like £100 for an hour or two's inspection (including up on a ramp and a test drive). You get no recourse as such, except I believed they wouldn't risk their own reputation by letting you buy a pup, and these guys know what to look for after seeing hundreds of the things every year!

(amateur mistake when I bought my Boxster - Peter Morgan seemed too pricey so I got the RAC in to inspect it. They didn't even drive it - "there was a nail in the tyre, health and safety..." and their helpful comments included "cigarette lighter not working properly" mad)

dibblecorse

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5,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Track_Puppy said:
I find it literally staggering you can get so much car for way less than £10k! As long as you're sure it's not cheap for a reason (real potential for false economies with buying porkies!) it'll be a blast. When buying my 996 I called plenty of official and indie garages asking if they'd take a look at various (private) cars for me, if brought to them, and in the end my usual indie (Northway in Reading) charged only something like £100 for an hour or two's inspection (including up on a ramp and a test drive). You get no recourse as such, except I believed they wouldn't risk their own reputation by letting you buy a pup, and these guys know what to look for after seeing hundreds of the things every year!

(amateur mistake when I bought my Boxster - Peter Morgan seemed too pricey so I got the RAC in to inspect it. They didn't even drive it - "there was a nail in the tyre, health and safety..." and their helpful comments included "cigarette lighter not working properly" mad)
Mines been well checked over, so fingers crossed its a good'un, finally get to see it on Saturday .... smile

Rude-boy

22,155 posts

179 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Well played.

Was off line most of yesterday and so didn't get a chance to see this.

1. The Boxster chop - only required on cold days. Otherwise just watch through the rear view and you'll see if you are going to need it. Over 10degC though and you'll never need to IME, although would might want to.

2. Rads and front wishbones - if one goes and you can afford to do the other at the same time as it will follow as sure as night does day.

3. If you have one without the lower console praise the lord. With my size it made it so much nicer to be able to 'spread' my legs a bit more. Added to which it makes entering via the passenger door when some comedy fkwit has parked within a mm of the drivers side much easier. I also preferred the look, but that's me.

4. Have you got A/c? if so it will demist very quickly.

5. Don't bother with a glass rear window unless it already has one - for reasons stated by others.

6. In winter ALWAYS carry an old credit card with you. If the window seal freezes to the window the only way to free it without hair driers and the like is to use one of these. The window will bend enough to allow you to open and close it without 'dropping' but if you have an ounce of mechanical sympathy it hurts and the closing part requires opening the roof a little if you are inside the car and the worries that brings with the PAX door and frozen rear screen.

7. Mine had 17"s and I can only imagine how puny 16" would look. Be careful with the front springs as some owners have cut these to make the front look lower and meaner - MOT failure if spotted.

8. RMS - get a new one with every clutch change unless you see a pool of black under the car one day. A drip is nothing (they all do that sir), a drizzle is a problem.

9. IMS - forget about it, if it is going to happen it will and nothing any of us says will influence it.

10. At some point you most likely be blanked by some feckwit in a V reg 996C2 with 11billion miles who deems your car beneath them and another day you'll end up talking to the owner of a GT2RS all night long about your mutual love of cars as he compares his to the 599GTO he got last week. Get over it and the 1001 cleaver sodds who will tell you that it is a hairdressers car, is too slow. They bug you but worse is the one who says nothing but talks behind your back about how flash you are in your £20k sports car. Seriously I lost count for the number of times I was called a flash or similar by people driving cars that were worth 2,3 and 4 times mine in the trade.

dumpy

58 posts

98 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Ahhhh! Poverty Pork. Youve got to love it.
Brings back memories of a 944 I got for 1k a few years ago. Bought whilst visiting my sister in Gurnsey. Bought it, got a ferry ticket drove it back to Cumbria with fingers crossed, left wife to take kids back on plane. (Non too chuffed but hey she kinda getting used to my ways)
Drove if for 3 years spending about £700 on it and got 2k when i sold it.
Poverty, profit pork. The best sort wink

VinceFox

20,566 posts

118 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Any pics?

cmoose

45,027 posts

175 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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uktrailmonster said:
I like the purity of the original 2.5 Boxster. It's fast enough in the real world, although of course the chassis can handle a lot more power. I've only driven the 2.7 and 3.4 in anger on roads with corners and no traffic and actually slightly preferred the 2.7. Nicer sound, free revving, nimble. I imagine the 2.5 feels similar and at that sort of price what's not to like?

Our previous computery encounters notwithstanding (peace, brother wink ), you have it precisely correct.

In all honesty, I'd rather have the 3.2 (the 2.7 isn't much of an upgrade, at least the pre facelift 2.7 isn't), but the purity and lightness of the 2.5 has something to recommend it (the very earliest 2.5s are actually lighter than the later 2.5s). I certainly prefer the early, unadorned aesthetics inside and out.

Ambers are a must on the 986 and I'm not a fan of all the plasticy bits of fake metal they plastered all over the cabin as the years ticket by. For me, an early 986 cabin with the full extended leather in Boxster Red is superb. In fact, I rate the original 2.5 in silver with Boxster red as the definite Boxster in terms of aesthetics, that includes all iterations that have followed. Thus:






They do look OK in Guards, too, however. wink



MogulBoy said:
Nothing wrong with 2.5's of course but the early 2.7's offer a number of improvements with the E-gas throttle and the optional PSM being possibly the most notable.
e-gas and PSM are improvements? Interesting notion!

Anyway, for under £5k, these cars are an absolute steal.


snorkel sucker

2,451 posts

149 months

Thursday 19th January 2012
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Rude-boy said:
Well played.

Was off line most of yesterday and so didn't get a chance to see this.

1. The Boxster chop - only required on cold days. Otherwise just watch through the rear view and you'll see if you are going to need it. Over 10degC though and you'll never need to IME, although would might want to.

2. Rads and front wishbones - if one goes and you can afford to do the other at the same time as it will follow as sure as night does day.

3. If you have one without the lower console praise the lord. With my size it made it so much nicer to be able to 'spread' my legs a bit more. Added to which it makes entering via the passenger door when some comedy fkwit has parked within a mm of the drivers side much easier. I also preferred the look, but that's me.

4. Have you got A/c? if so it will demist very quickly.

5. Don't bother with a glass rear window unless it already has one - for reasons stated by others.

6. In winter ALWAYS carry an old credit card with you. If the window seal freezes to the window the only way to free it without hair driers and the like is to use one of these. The window will bend enough to allow you to open and close it without 'dropping' but if you have an ounce of mechanical sympathy it hurts and the closing part requires opening the roof a little if you are inside the car and the worries that brings with the PAX door and frozen rear screen.

7. Mine had 17"s and I can only imagine how puny 16" would look. Be careful with the front springs as some owners have cut these to make the front look lower and meaner - MOT failure if spotted.

8. RMS - get a new one with every clutch change unless you see a pool of black under the car one day. A drip is nothing (they all do that sir), a drizzle is a problem.

9. IMS - forget about it, if it is going to happen it will and nothing any of us says will influence it.

10. At some point you most likely be blanked by some feckwit in a V reg 996C2 with 11billion miles who deems your car beneath them and another day you'll end up talking to the owner of a GT2RS all night long about your mutual love of cars as he compares his to the 599GTO he got last week. Get over it and the 1001 cleaver sodds who will tell you that it is a hairdressers car, is too slow. They bug you but worse is the one who says nothing but talks behind your back about how flash you are in your £20k sports car. Seriously I lost count for the number of times I was called a flash or similar by people driving cars that were worth 2,3 and 4 times mine in the trade.
I like this. Great post. Very useful

Track_Puppy

62 posts

133 months

Friday 20th January 2012
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dibblecorse said:
Mines been well checked over, so fingers crossed its a good'un, finally get to see it on Saturday .... smile
Sorry, my post was actually aimed at giving snorkel some comfort - it's a travesty if people shy away from taking the plunge, just take a few sensible precautions and it'll be incredibly rewarding (especially for the current prices). Am sure yours will be great dibble, in fact I'm genuinely quite excited for you!!! There's nothing like picking up your very own Box'! Enjoy tmw smile