I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[V8fan]

Nearly 5 pages about wheels and tyres on this thread. Has anybody actually got something on topic, i.e. a cheap Porsche?

[ATM]

It's kind of on topic as it's about how to buy cheaper tyres for your Porsche.

[2Btoo]

V8fan said:

Nearly 5 pages about wheels and tyres on this thread. Has anybody actually got something on topic, i.e. a cheap Porsche?

Hmmmm .... I was thinking the same.

Here's two to get the conversation back on track.

986 Boxster, auto, silver, 108k miles, looks a bit tatty but claims some recent new brakes and other bits (including a "new genuine email gear selector"!) MOT until August next year. £3k.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/20613317...


Another 986. Black. Manual. No MOT but the MOT history isn't bad at all. 125k miles. £3k as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/21014840...

[Escy]

ATM said:

Moo and I have discussed this before and I think the crux of the tyre grip thing is you need a tyre which has good feel and good tyre wall flex and a good balance of grip which reduces in a good way as the tyre deforms .... in a good way. I have used the word good several times to emphasise it's not about lower grip it's about the way in which the grip changes as the tyre moves towards its limits. Generally this implies you need a good tyre which has been well designed. Not just some cheap rubbish tyre which has no grip.

Of course a cheap rubbish tyre with less grip would add some fun to a car with too much grip but may remove some feel and remove some finesse and reduce stopping distances.

So even though we are looking for ultimately less grip it is the way in which it is achieved. A fat 18 inch cheap tyre may just grip grip grip and then fall off a cliff. That's not fun unless you like going on roller coasters without the seatbelt on. You want the tyre to give you some clues that its starting to deform and therefore that the grip is starting to reduce in a nice steady controllable and understandable way.

Nice post. I've re-read the last 7 or so pages, Cmoose hasn't said what you've said, prehaps he tried to but couldn't articulate it clearly. All of those characteristics you mention are entirely dependant on the tyre brand and it's physical properties.It's been a waste of time wanging on about tyre sizes for the last few pages as though all tyres in a certain size behave the same way.

[ATM]

Proper hair dresser spec car here. Looks like a facelift and has the aero bumper but no silly rear wing. Personally I don't like the aero but I could live with a bit of speed yellow.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/362847075911

[edc]

Some assumptions there about cheap tyres dropping off a cliff. Not many tyre tests have a metric for that so hard to base it in fact or study.

[olv]

I polished my poverty turd this weekend and I love it!

Edited by olv on Tuesday 17th December 20:36

[2Btoo]

olv said:

I polished my poverty turd this weekend and I love it!

Edited by olv on Tuesday 17th December 20:36

Pretty car. Black or very dark blue?

[jakesmith]

Escy said:

Nice post. I've re-read the last 7 or so pages, Cmoose hasn't said what you've said, prehaps he tried to but couldn't articulate it clearly. All of those characteristics you mention are entirely dependant on the tyre brand and it's physical properties.It's been a waste of time wanging on about tyre sizes for the last few pages as though all tyres in a certain size behave the same way.

Spot on summary

[olv]

2Btoo said:

Pretty car. Black or very dark blue?

Metallic black.

Best of all the roof has gone from not working at all to working intermittently to working normally. Think a switch must have been really damp from being left outside for a while and keeping it inside has dried it out.

I need to do the hood cable elastic fix as the cables hang out the guides unless you push them in. Looks a straightforward job though.

[ooid]

only 8.7k, if you do not mind tip and C4 996 3.4


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[ATM]

I know the 2 are unrelated but when I see a saggy seat I immediately think saggy suspension.

[Escy]

My Boxster has a really saggy seat, took it out and the foam base had started to push out of the frame, the metal wires that hold it in place had pushed passed the frame. Simply a case the previous owner being a unit rather than any neglect.

Those wheels on that 996 are horrid. Aftermarket or factory?

[2Btoo]

ooid said:

only 8.7k, if you do not mind tip and C4 996 3.4

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Scanty on history but that's a very low price.

I understand the reservations about Tip. Why would it being a C4 996 3.4 be undesirable? (It claims to be a 'Carrera 4 tiptronic S'. Doesn't this mean it's a C4S?)

(Yes, I know very little about 911's!)

[ATM]

Escy said:

My Boxster has a really saggy seat, took it out and the foam base had started to push out of the frame, the metal wires that hold it in place had pushed passed the frame. Simply a case the previous owner being a unit rather than any neglect.

Those wheels on that 996 are horrid. Aftermarket or factory?

Factory 17 inch c4 wheels and the heaviest they made.

[ATM]

2Btoo said:

ooid said:

only 8.7k, if you do not mind tip and C4 996 3.4

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Scanty on history but that's a very low price.

I understand the reservations about Tip. Why would it being a C4 996 3.4 be undesirable? (It claims to be a 'Carrera 4 tiptronic S'. Doesn't this mean it's a C4S?)

(Yes, I know very little about 911's!)

Totally different cars.

C4S has turbo wide body, brakes and suspension.

[edh]

Escy said:

Those wheels on that 996 are horrid. Aftermarket or factory?

Standard C4 wheels - agree they are quite nasty

[ferrisbueller]

2Btoo said:

ooid said:

only 8.7k, if you do not mind tip and C4 996 3.4

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Scanty on history but that's a very low price.

I understand the reservations about Tip. Why would it being a C4 996 3.4 be undesirable? (It claims to be a 'Carrera 4 tiptronic S'. Doesn't this mean it's a C4S?)

(Yes, I know very little about 911's!)

That's not cheap.

The spoiler appears to have a semi.

[snotrag]

2Btoo said:

Doesn't this mean it's a C4S?

Common misconception on cars with an Auto - its a Carrera 4, with a Tipronic S.

(Ie, the transmission is the Tiptronic S transmission. From what I recall, the 4 speed in 968 and 993 era was the first tiptronic, the later 5 speed in 996 era was called the Tiptronic S).

Autotrader is partly to blame as it does weird things when it auto completes vehicle details off the registration.

2.5 and 2.7 litre Boxsters with an auto are sometimes listed as "2.7 Boxster S Tiptronic" or suchlike.

[2Btoo]

Thanks guys, I'm learning here. It's helpful.

Given that this is a poverty pork thread then I think I'm allowed to ask this question ....

Was there a C4 and a C4S?

Likewise, was there a C2 and a C2S?

(Comments about Tiptronic S gearboxes aside - thanks Snotrag for your good explanation)

Obviously the difference between the 2 and the 4 is 2WD vs 4WD. Did the 'S' denote more power, as the 'S' does in Cayman 987 vs. Cayman 987 S?

What was wrong with the C4? It's not the powerful one, fair enough. And that example had the Tip gearbox, which wasn't great. But (I think) I've heard people rave about the C2 - was the C4 a lot worse? If so then why?