The Collecting Cars Porsche thread…

The Collecting Cars Porsche thread…

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NomadicTurbo

787 posts

75 months

Sunday 31st March
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Feels like every GT3 on CC gets bought by the trade

ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Sunday 31st March
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It all looks right ... accepting the modifications.

One of only 28 Clubsports in the UK ... the RS of the MkI GT3 ... they just called it the M003 Clubsport !



(and with the front roll-cage that came with the car) ....

Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 31st March 21:58

BAMoFo

756 posts

257 months

Sunday 31st March
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Edmundo2 said:
This seemed reasonably good value if it all checks out..

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2000-porsche-9...
There was an unanswered question regarding why the advertisement claimed that it was supplied new by a UK dealer but was a C18 (Japanese) build.

Slippydiff

14,886 posts

224 months

Sunday 31st March
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BAMoFo said:
There was an unanswered question regarding why the advertisement claimed that it was supplied new by a UK dealer but was a C18 (Japanese) build.
Complete dealbreaker that, two completely different cars a C16 and C18 car.

ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Sunday 31st March
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So what is the difference Slippy ?

That C18 looks dangerously close to a C16 to me ... but C18 is RHD Japan ?

thegreenhell

15,531 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st March
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Slippydiff said:
BAMoFo said:
There was an unanswered question regarding why the advertisement claimed that it was supplied new by a UK dealer but was a C18 (Japanese) build.
Complete dealbreaker that, two completely different cars a C16 and C18 car.
It was answered that the 6 and 8 looked very similar on the sticker, especially as it was faded with age, and he'd misread it without knowing what C16 or C18 meant. He'd made a similar mistake with one of the other option codes. This was backed up with other documentation showing it was delivered new to a UK dealer. CC has now removed all the Q&A and documentation photos since the auction finished.

ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Sunday 31st March
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And a vin number check shows up a ???

But if it's not it's a very good facsimile. Ignition cut outs, door mirror mechanisms, seats, handbrake, correct fire extinguisher, C4 shell, engine looks right, I haven't investigated the option codes ... ??

Right ... vin number redacted for correctness, but only the last digits are different ... of course this is the real thing ...



????



981 is leather dash ... as can be seen in the pictures ...

Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 31st March 23:30

Slippydiff

14,886 posts

224 months

Sunday 31st March
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ChrisW. said:
So what is the difference Slippy ?

That C18 looks dangerously close to a C16 to me ... but C18 is RHD Japan ?
There is none Chris (bar the security systems) I was being sarcastic, because I'm getting increasingly bored with reading threads with individuals getting sniffy about specs and such nonsense on what are 25 year old cars that were built to be driven and thrashed to within an inch of their lives (and the majority were) smile

Whether this car originated in Japan or the UK matters not one jot (I saw the build sticker a couple of days ago and thought it was most likely a misread "C16")

Similar comments were made about the cars John at SCoM imported from Cyprus, of which my 996 GT3 RS was one. Same car down to the last detail.

I read a similar thread on Rennlist about the 964 RS. Lots of supposed enthusiasts, who were actually nothing of the sort, they were investors/collectors/speculators wanting garage queens to show of to their 964 RS owning mates, just so they could say that they'd got the lowest mileage, rarest colour example available, but when they found the right car, they then whined about condition, specs and price.

My guess is a RHD 964 RS in Coral is about as rare as it gets wink

You, I, Yellow, Hunter, 993 RSR, Clubsport and few others know the score, we owned and drove both the 993 and the 964 RS properly "in the day" when no one but the cognoscenti was bothered about them or knew what they were.

To see these wonderful cars now falling into the hands of investors and speculators in the States, both irritates and saddens me.

The same fate now looks to await the 996 GT3 (especially Clubsports) and the GT3 RS.
Fortunately there are some owners that are notable exceptions on here and they do still actually drive/track their 996 GT3's.

The 996 GT3 and the 964/993 RS before them were designed and built to be driven, not wrapped up in cotton wool in de-humidified cocoons.

I guess the likes of you and I should count ourselves lucky to have indulged and enjoyed them when we did.



ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Monday 1st April
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And I was just about to say that I thought you were wrong ... smile

Yes the label is faded ... I have seen it before ... too much cleaning judging by the surface of the paper ?

I also owned a 996 Speed Yellow GT3 Gen 2 which was a C98 bought from Camtune ... Cyprus RHD.

The serial number of this car is also in the right range for the type of mirror ... I believe there were later cars that adopted some of the Gen 2 improvements ... electric mirrors, but the early ones work well and are perfectly in the ethos of the car.

I think we have lived through a magical bull-run of Porsche classics and values where you could buy a car, drive and learn from it ... spend a bit making it a better car than one bought ... and then make a profit to roll into the next car ... all for a lot less than the cost of a new Porsche. I paid £43k for the metallic coral red 964RS ... a C15 (Hong Kong) RHD car ... with 8000 miles on the RHD speedo and a Km speed with around 25000Km on it !!

The next one ... a Red LHD car with 90l tank cost me £35k plus the cost of a set of BBS mag wheels at £2k ... great times to play etc.


Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 1st April 00:24

PRO5T

4,010 posts

26 months

Monday 1st April
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Put the amount and year you bought into an inflation calculator, bet it’s no different to what a 996 GT3 costs now.

Still plenty of them getting used, it sounds a bit sniffy to say the owners these days aren’t as good as you lot were fifteen years ago.

Slippydiff

14,886 posts

224 months

Monday 1st April
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ChrisW. said:
And I was just about to say that I thought you were wrong ... smile

Yes the label is faded ... I have seen it before ... too much cleaning judging by the surface of the paper ?

I also owned a 996 Speed Yellow GT3 Gen 2 which was a C98 bought from Camtune ... Cyprus RHD.

The serial number of this car is also in the right range for the type of mirror ... I believe there were later cars that adopted some of the Gen 2 improvements ... electric mirrors, but the early ones work well and are perfectly in the ethos of the car.

I think we have lived through a magical bull-run of Porsche classics and values where you could buy a car, drive and learn from it ... spend a bit making it a better car than one bought ... and then make a profit to roll into the next car ... all for a lot less than the cost of a new Porsche. I paid £43k for the metallic coral red 964RS ... a C15 (Hong Kong) RHD car ... with 8000 miles on the RHD speedo and a Km speed with around 25000Km on it !!

The next one ... a Red LHD car with 90l tank cost me £35k plus the cost of a set of BBS mag wheels at £2k ... great times to play etc.
I remember seeing DAB’s Maritime RHD 964 RS up for sale at Shirley’s of Meriden. It was a dog (as were many of SoM’s cars) it was for sale at £35k, I remember thinking it seemed a lot for tired example when compared to the Guards red LHD car I then owned.

Some years later I also saw the Porsche GB ex-press Mk 1 996 GT3 Clubsport (the Silver car used by Evo on their French total eclipse feature) there too. Another dog that had clearly been crashed and poorly repaired, it looked very sorry for itself.

ATM

18,334 posts

220 months

Monday 1st April
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ChrisW. said:
Yes the label is faded ... I have seen it before ... too much cleaning judging by the surface of the paper ?
My 2001 986 label looks badly faded - pic from today

Some people seem to think the condition of the label means something

Car was almost box fresh when I bought it 2 years ago and has been deteriorating ever since


mlsporsche

70 posts

80 months

Monday 1st April
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Vehicle Identification No.
WP0ZZZ99ZYS690919
Model
GT3
GT3-1
Date of production
25.11.1999
Year
2000
Sales type
996811
Engine Code
9676
Transmission Code
G9690
Axle drive
6S
Equipment
88
Roof color
A1
Carpet color code
A10
Exterior color / Paint Code
A1 / 719
Seat combination no.
ZAZ
Number of Z-Orders
2
PR Number
Attribute

Description
002
911 Carrera RS road version
003
911 Carrera RS Clubsport
061
Version for Great Britain
071
EU country version
130
Control and indications in English lettering
197
Stronger battery
211
Licence plate holder version 3
220
228
271
Door mirror -aspherical- driver's side,
electrically adjustable and heatable
272
Door mirrors,
manually adjustable
274
Vanity mirror illuminated
338
426
Without rear window wiper
436
3-spoke airbag steering wheel
441
prepared for radio
466
Rear foglamp, right
480
6-speed manual transmission
492
Headlamps for left-hand traffic
534
Theft security system
536
Alarm siren and tilt sensor
562
Airbag, driver's side and front passenger's side
566
Front fog lights, white
567
Windscreen tinted, upper part
darker coloured
571
Activated charcoal filter
573
Air conditioner
590
Power lid locking
602
Center high-mounted stop lamp
605
Headlight range control
651
Electric window opener
652
without electric sunroof
657
Power steering
659
on-board computer
695
711
722
981
Leather equipment without seat covers
990
Seat covers, front,
cloth/cloth/leatherette
XAA
Aerokit Cup
XRL
18-inch SportDesign wheel
XSE
Bucket seat, left
XSF
Bucket seat, right
XSJ
6-point harness
XSM
Racing safety cage

PRO5T

4,010 posts

26 months

Monday 1st April
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U WOT M8?

BAMoFo

756 posts

257 months

Monday 1st April
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thegreenhell said:
It was answered that the 6 and 8 looked very similar on the sticker, especially as it was faded with age, and he'd misread it without knowing what C16 or C18 meant. He'd made a similar mistake with one of the other option codes. This was backed up with other documentation showing it was delivered new to a UK dealer. CC has now removed all the Q&A and documentation photos since the auction finished.
Thanks for correcting me, I didn't watch the auction right up until the end.

Slippydiff

14,886 posts

224 months

Monday 1st April
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PRO5T said:
Put the amount and year you bought into an inflation calculator, bet it’s no different to what a 996 GT3 costs now.

Still plenty of them getting used, it sounds a bit sniffy to say the owners these days aren’t as good as you lot were fifteen years ago.
Strange comment Craig, especially as I wasn’t suggesting anything of the sort. Strangely enough, my comment about there being a few notable exceptions was made with you in mind, as I’m all too aware you’ve recently bought a proper piece of kit, and I’ve no doubt you’ll use it in the manner it’s maker intended.

ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Monday 1st April
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PRO5T said:
Put the amount and year you bought into an inflation calculator, bet it’s no different to what a 996 GT3 costs now.

Still plenty of them getting used, it sounds a bit sniffy to say the owners these days aren’t as good as you lot were fifteen years ago.
Unfortunately I think that there is a direct correlation between the cost of running cars and the amount and type of use that they get. The 964RS' were a lot less valuable than new cars, there was less to go wrong, they were built to do trackdays, the spare parts were inexpensive.

Parts are now very expensive ... if you can get them.

My 2005 year Cypriot GT3 cost me £65k new ... a very high spec car and in effect the extras were free. I guess that 20 years inflation has doubled this ... but the costs of repair have increased far more. The last I saw a carbon / composite front wing was £5000 on ebay ... ?

Times have changed for sure.

thegreenhell

15,531 posts

220 months

Monday 1st April
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Surely a C18 Japan car would have been LHD anyway? I know they're a RHD country, but they prefer their European exotic stuff in LHD. Almost all Porsches and Ferraris there are LHD.

ATM

18,334 posts

220 months

Monday 1st April
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thegreenhell said:
Surely a C18 Japan car would have been LHD anyway? I know they're a RHD country, but they prefer their European exotic stuff in LHD. Almost all Porsches and Ferraris there are LHD.
There was a trend of buying LHD to look cool. But more sensible less die hard fashion conscious would just stick to RHD. There are lots and lots of European type Japanese import cars on ebay nowadays. These tend to command a higher price because the Japanese climate leaves their old cars looking brand new underneath even after more than 15 years. I bought a Jap Import e39 almost 10 years ago. There was absolutely zero corrosion on the whole car. It had faded interior trim and sun damaged paint and some of the rubber seals looked cracked and horrible. So it's not all upside.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

ChrisW.

6,340 posts

256 months

Monday 1st April
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Fair point ... C08 is LHD Japan and C18 is RHD Japan ... cultural differences !