Collecting cars 964RS

Collecting cars 964RS

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domster

8,428 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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BertBert said:
Seems to be a common theme with CC. Great service, super speedy, enthusiastic buyers. Just a slight tinge of disappointment on the price achieved. Definitely got the job done for me with my 997 GT3, but a couple of k more would have been perfect!
The CC buyer has to stump up for the buyer's premium though - so in theory, if the buyer is paying market price then the amount achieved would be a little under market value. Good for CC as it shows cars going for sensible money, and the commissions are very palatable compared to car auctions of old. Their competitor, Themarket.co.uk flip it around and get the seller to pay the premium. Of course, the net result could be the same - the seller gets a theoretically higher price as there is no buyer's commission for the buyer to consider in his/her bid, yet the seller then yields some of that higher price back as seller's commission.

These sites are a welcome intermediate ground between ebay and Bonhams, Coys etc. I am guessing they don't escrow though, but I know too little about any kind of auction to know whether that happens in different arenas. I assume that you pay Coys and they divvy it up and also have custody of the vehicle at the time. When things get into the 100s of K, the worry is always whether you will get what you paid for and that is something that's less of a worry when dropping large sums to main dealers or established traders/auction houses.

I will no doubt be buying and selling on CC over the coming years and hopefully decades, just as I have bought and sold via PH classifieds (must be half a dozen cars at least with PH) but I am not sure the prices will ever be particularly low (unless for the really unusual or unwanted stuff) and I am sure with the interest CC is getting, the sellers will be getting fair to good prices that will be far better than trade bids. Bravo CC.

LaurasOtherHalf

19,609 posts

160 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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GT3Manthey said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Yep, really nice example that one.
Cant stop looking at this now the colour is quite amazing.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2009-renaultsp...
One for show, one for go-it’s got an hour left smile

GT3Manthey

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723 posts

13 months

Thursday 4th March
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
One for show, one for go-it’s got an hour left smile
A little surprised it didn’t go for more TBH

LaurasOtherHalf

19,609 posts

160 months

Thursday 4th March
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GT3Manthey said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
One for show, one for go-it’s got an hour left smile
A little surprised it didn’t go for more TBH
Mate is more than happy, it exceeded his estimations by quite a margin and even with fees it's much cheaper than the cheapest on the market-everyone happy.

It's a shame to see it go, we had some fantastic times in that car.

GT3Manthey

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723 posts

13 months

Thursday 4th March
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mate is more than happy, it exceeded his estimations by quite a margin and even with fees it's much cheaper than the cheapest on the market-everyone happy.

It's a shame to see it go, we had some fantastic times in that car.
Glad to hear it and i gather he is proving a new Cam Belt service for the new owner too.

Have seen pics of it at the ring too.

Used as intended !

ChrisW.

3,949 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th March
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RSVP911 said:
20 % on top - he’ll never sell that if he doesn’t adjust the price. I tried to buy it when I was looking 20 months or so ago - wouldn’t move a euro and it had already been sitting there for over a year back then.

I know I’m biased, but I do think the deal on mine was good for the buyer - no regrets from me , very happy. smile
And now 5% import duty on secondhand cars imported from Europe ??

RSVP911

7,812 posts

97 months

Thursday 4th March
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ChrisW. said:
And now 5% import duty on secondhand cars imported from Europe ??
I’m not 100% sure - I think it’s 20% VAT going to 5 % when a car is over 30 years old - it’s a bit grey tbh - but in reality, I think it basically means we are now in a bubble where it’s uneconomic to import cars from the EU.

Cheib

20,170 posts

139 months

Thursday 4th March
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RSVP911 said:
ChrisW. said:
And now 5% import duty on secondhand cars imported from Europe ??
I’m not 100% sure - I think it’s 20% VAT going to 5 % when a car is over 30 years old - it’s a bit grey tbh - but in reality, I think it basically means we are now in a bubble where it’s uneconomic to import cars from the EU.
The 5% applies to cars that are “largely original” same as for cars that are imported from the U.S. No idea how they determine “largely original” but given the sums involved I marine they’re fairly sharp on it.

ontheloop

114 posts

109 months

Saturday 6th March
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Latest 964RS auction ended early........

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1991-porsche-9...

Cheib

20,170 posts

139 months

Saturday 6th March
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The hand written engine number on the sticker seemed odd......

GT3Manthey

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723 posts

13 months

Sunday 7th March
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Cheib said:
The hand written engine number on the sticker seemed odd......
Was that why it was pulled ?

I did wonder as i had a cheeky bid on it

blackmamba

675 posts

200 months

Sunday 7th March
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Cheib said:
The hand written engine number on the sticker seemed odd......
I didn’t think the factory stickers had the engine number on the sticker, only the engine type?

MrC986

2,817 posts

155 months

Sunday 7th March
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I see there’s another RS coming up with CollectingCars according to their coming soon section.... this time a 1990 Guards Red one with 85k kms.

Cheib

20,170 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th March
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MrC986 said:
I see there’s another RS coming up with CollectingCars according to their coming soon section.... this time a 1990 Guards Red one with 85k kms.
They weren’t making RS’s in ‘90 were they ? Hopefully a typo or maybe I am wrong !

RSVP911

7,812 posts

97 months

Sunday 7th March
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Cheib said:
The hand written engine number on the sticker seemed odd......
I have to say I thought the engine number was really odd - especially as it was marketed as a “matching numbers” car. Also, it wasn’t original paint, so I would definitely have wanted to see it before buying it to ensure it wasn’t hiding anything. Very hard to find “really good no story”, 964 RS’s .

So interesting to know did the buyer pull it or did he have it pulled by CC. If I was guessing it would be the later - but as I say, only a guess - but I’d love to know as CC should really be doing some form of due diligence to ensure buyers claims are accurate.

ontheloop

114 posts

109 months

Monday 8th March
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RSVP911 said:
Cheib said:
The hand written engine number on the sticker seemed odd......
I have to say I thought the engine number was really odd - especially as it was marketed as a “matching numbers” car. Also, it wasn’t original paint, so I would definitely have wanted to see it before buying it to ensure it wasn’t hiding anything. Very hard to find “really good no story”, 964 RS’s .

So interesting to know did the buyer pull it or did he have it pulled by CC. If I was guessing it would be the later - but as I say, only a guess - but I’d love to know as CC should really be doing some form of due diligence to ensure buyers claims are accurate.
The front top mounts are also not right. The devil is in the detail as they say........

trantorman

68 posts

171 months

Tuesday 9th March
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ontheloop said:
Latest 964RS auction ended early........

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1991-porsche-9...

I see this is now for sale with Ashgood

GT3Manthey

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723 posts

13 months

Tuesday 9th March
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trantorman said:

I see this is now for sale with Ashgood
Good find!

So what do we deduce from this car now being offered at 137k when the fly yellow sold all in with commission for what will be a 50k difference ?

If there are some question marks over this car not sure why Ashgoods wouldnt mention this in the description.

Do we know why CC's pulled it from their auction ?



Mezzanine

5,995 posts

183 months

Tuesday 9th March
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Might be best not to question things too much, that’s what got the main Collecting Cars thread unduly censored/closed as ‘people‘ got a bit upset!

RSVP911

7,812 posts

97 months

Tuesday 9th March
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GT3Manthey said:
trantorman said:

I see this is now for sale with Ashgood
Good find!

So what do we deduce from this car now being offered at 137k when the fly yellow sold all in with commission for what will be a 50k difference ?

If there are some question marks over this car not sure why Ashgoods wouldnt mention this in the description.

Do we know why CC's pulled it from their auction ?
Price variance is £k41.5k