Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

Taycan 4S Cross Turismo

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JJMatrixx

643 posts

136 months

Wednesday 4th May
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Flying machine said:
Nice looking car, it's a shame to hear that you're not impressed though. Perhaps you should have gone for the turbo? Like you, I had a Tesla M3 performance before my Taycan CT Turbo and apart from size, anonymity and the charging network, there is nothing I prefer about the Tesla. I'm not trying to be negative about the M3 at all though and I have to say that I found the Tesla to be a revelation and I was very impressed (coming from an A45 before that, which felt very outdated, and slow in comparison), it's just that the Taycan is much better, but it should be given the price (perhaps that's the 4th thing I prefer about the Tesla!). The brakes and handling are far sharper on the Taycan too - it feels like a car maker has made an EV rather than the other way around if that makes sense?

I'm curious about your comments re performance as numerous other PHer's state that the 4S is more than enough. I've not driven a 4S so can't comment, but the turbo feels as quick as the Tesla from the get go, and IMO it's noticeably quicker than the M3 at speeds from 50+ which is perfect for overtaking.

The infotainment is a personal choice of course, I think both solutions are fine although it took me a little while to get used to the central display on the Tesla. Have you got a HUD option - it's great IMO.

RE Spotify - use Carplay and it should replicate your phone shouldn't it? I access Tidal this way.
I should have gone for the Turbo bit it came down the budget, and being leased, I felt I had to draw the line. I think for most the 4s is more than enough but it's clearly a compromise, which is probably why I feel unexcited about the pace. I also feel with the additional weight of the car, the brakes could have a sharper response - they're sharp but require more pressure than I'd like. Final gripe - YouTubers say the standard interior is fine. It's not. You really need the leather upgrade as the seats are a cheap, hard, plastic leather. And obviously you'd get a stitched dash with it.

On CarPlay, how do you access that in the menus?! Was that standard?

Digga

35,774 posts

260 months

Wednesday 4th May
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JJMatrixx said:
On CarPlay, how do you access that in the menus?! Was that standard?
Simples:


Jonny TVR

4,306 posts

258 months

Wednesday 4th May
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In my test drive last weekend in a Turbo I did immediately think that the dash top and the steering wheel materials did feel cheap. Does anyone know which option is the leather dashtop and what are the options on wheel in order to improve the feel?

Flying machine

951 posts

153 months

Wednesday 4th May
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Jonny TVR said:
In my test drive last weekend in a Turbo I did immediately think that the dash top and the steering wheel materials did feel cheap. Does anyone know which option is the leather dashtop and what are the options on wheel in order to improve the feel?
I went for the Olea leather upgrade and I think that feels nice.

garystoybox

579 posts

94 months

Wednesday 4th May
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Jonny TVR said:
In my test drive last weekend in a Turbo I did immediately think that the dash top and the steering wheel materials did feel cheap. Does anyone know which option is the leather dashtop and what are the options on wheel in order to improve the feel?
The leather interior brings the leather dash - £2,538 option on my incoming 4s. I’m sure the Turbo has this as standard? In the 4s the standard was ok but once sat in the upgraded car, definitely money well spent and raises the interior quality significantly. Just had the message that my build is complete and car should be in the dealership for the beginning of June (fingers crossed).

Surprised on earlier comments on 4S performance. I tried both Turbo and 4S (was originally going to order turbo) but to be honest just didn’t think thank much in it between the two cars. Watched the Remove Before Race 9,000 mile review of his Taycan CT 4s at the weekend and he noted only a 0.1second difference in the 0-60mph between Turbo and 4S. Anyway 0-100mph in 8 seconds is plenty fast enough for me as a daily run about.

ds666

2,098 posts

156 months

Wednesday 4th May
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Jonny TVR said:
In my test drive last weekend in a Turbo I did immediately think that the dash top and the steering wheel materials did feel cheap. Does anyone know which option is the leather dashtop and what are the options on wheel in order to improve the feel?
My Turbo has a leather dash top and that wasn't something I specified so must be std.
Regarding the wheel I think Racetech is an options ( Alcantara ish )

JJMatrixx

643 posts

136 months

Wednesday 4th May
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Digga said:
JJMatrixx said:
On CarPlay, how do you access that in the menus?! Was that standard?
Simples:

Great, thanks.

fblm

20,156 posts

240 months

Wednesday 4th May
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JJMatrixx said:
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2. I don't like the 2 gear setup, as there is a slight kickdown delay. It's an EV and should be instant IMO. Upside is I think the kw/mi is a bit higher.
3. The regen resets every time you leave the car. Button on the steering wheel to easily activate it, but it should hold the last setting.
4. The infotainment is terrible in comparison. Menus feel old school and coming from 1 screen that does everything is a big downside from a daily driver perspective. For example simple things like having sat nav and spotify up at the one time are not really an option.
5. Porsche inno drive is a total waste of time. It doesn't lock you in the lane properly and requires some steering pressure. In a Tesla you can keep this pressure on and it won't affect the steering. In the taycan, it will move the car. It also doesn't take off properly in traffic so there's just way too much manual input to make this worthwhile.
6. I don't think I'm missing Sport Chrono - there's a sport button on the centre console, which is easy to access and I don't play with the other settings much, which are also easy to change on the binnacle.
I agree I should have got the Turbo but it's plenty fast enough for a road car. I think the chassis is so good that sometimes the push is a bit underwhelming. The fun is to be had playing with the chassis. Turn T/C off and it's more than fast enough! I don't have sport chrono either but just hit sport on the lower center console (which also turns on the regen) every time I get in. I think sport chrono simply allows you to leave it in sport. I only ever use sport trans/sport plus chassis so the gears are a waste of time. Stupid that it doesn't just stay in the mode you leave it but not worth getting chrono to fix IMO. Aside from the first week I don't think I've used the infotainment menus once in 5000 miles. Just get in and it connects to youtube music on my phone and done. Oh and I loathe the big touch screen in the Tesla (or any car); I probably wouldn't have bought the Taycan if it had one it annoys me so much lol!

franki68

8,914 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th May
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JJMatrixx said:
I should have gone for the Turbo bit it came down the budget, and being leased, I felt I had to draw the line. I think for most the 4s is more than enough but it's clearly a compromise, which is probably why I feel unexcited about the pace. I also feel with the additional weight of the car, the brakes could have a sharper response - they're sharp but require more pressure than I'd like. Final gripe - YouTubers say the standard interior is fine. It's not. You really need the leather upgrade as the seats are a cheap, hard, plastic leather. And obviously you'd get a stitched dash with it.

On CarPlay, how do you access that in the menus?! Was that standard?
The standard interior is so poor ,the worst porsche interior I have been in .Horrible plastics everywhere .
I was genuinely shocked how bad it was .

Jonny TVR

4,306 posts

258 months

Thursday 5th May
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franki68 said:
The standard interior is so poor ,the worst porsche interior I have been in .Horrible plastics everywhere .
I was genuinely shocked how bad it was .
I've never had a porsche before .. I was surprised as well during my test drive. Some parts are ok but some like the dash top, parts of the steering wheel ...

franki68

8,914 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th May
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Jonny TVR said:
I've never had a porsche before .. I was surprised as well during my test drive. Some parts are ok but some like the dash top, parts of the steering wheel ...
I have had a fair few ,non felt as cheap as this did .
In fairness though in recent years I have always put some interior spec on the car as even the 911s can feel a bit crappy without some extra touches .

21ATS

Original Poster:

679 posts

49 months

Thursday 5th May
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franki68 said:
JJMatrixx said:
I should have gone for the Turbo bit it came down the budget, and being leased, I felt I had to draw the line. I think for most the 4s is more than enough but it's clearly a compromise, which is probably why I feel unexcited about the pace. I also feel with the additional weight of the car, the brakes could have a sharper response - they're sharp but require more pressure than I'd like. Final gripe - YouTubers say the standard interior is fine. It's not. You really need the leather upgrade as the seats are a cheap, hard, plastic leather. And obviously you'd get a stitched dash with it.

On CarPlay, how do you access that in the menus?! Was that standard?
The standard interior is so poor ,the worst porsche interior I have been in .Horrible plastics everywhere .
I was genuinely shocked how bad it was .
A (very) small element of the multiple reason why we sold ours was this.

I never really felt like I was sat in £110K worth of car. I did go for the upgraded interior, which don't get me wrong - was nice, But it was no "nicer" than the £50K audi it replaced. The only other reference I'd had to this was a Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo. The Pan interior was simply a different level - but then it was £150K and I simply couldn't stomach the depretiation.

The boot trim and parcel shelf all felt like they were £30K BMW rather than something 3 times as much. But I've always understood you're not buying a Porsche for interior trim, you're buying it for dynamics.

That works in a 911, but the Taycan is a different breed of car - it's more aimed at luxury than outright sports car and it never really felt luxury, to me.

We all have our own opinions though.

BorkBorkBork

329 posts

28 months

Thursday 5th May
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It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. biggrin

All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.


Sport_Turismo_GTS

245 posts

6 months

Thursday 5th May
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BorkBorkBork said:
It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. biggrin

All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
If that’s your priority, a 2.3 tonne EV probably isn’t the best option!
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Murph7355

32,957 posts

233 months

Thursday 5th May
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BorkBorkBork said:
It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. biggrin

All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
Kansei.

It's just adding to not wanting plastic bucket seats etc.

Also gives you something nice to touch when at traffic lights.

These little things make a product feel very different, often subliminally.

ds666

2,098 posts

156 months

Thursday 5th May
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BorkBorkBork said:
It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. biggrin

All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
Love it smile

Murph7355

32,957 posts

233 months

Thursday 5th May
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franki68 said:
Jonny TVR said:
I've never had a porsche before .. I was surprised as well during my test drive. Some parts are ok but some like the dash top, parts of the steering wheel ...
I have had a fair few ,non felt as cheap as this did .
In fairness though in recent years I have always put some interior spec on the car as even the 911s can feel a bit crappy without some extra touches .
From what I've seen, it's always depended on how well spec'd the particular car is. Options rule.

My 911 C4S is pretty good inside generally. It has an alcantara headliner, lots of extended leather options etc, but the leather's much "tougher" than on my old V8V or Maser, or even in our XC90. And there are still parts of the interior that are plastic of middle of the road quality (the sun visors spring to mind, and the centre console isn't that robust.

I haven't noticed the same in Taycans thus far. But have only sat in three, all of which were dealer spec'd, one a Turbo and the other a GTS. The switchpack for the windows/mirrors wasn't great though.

Digga

35,774 posts

260 months

Friday 6th May
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My old 996 turbo had full leather interior and, even when I'd put a good few miles on it, it was a beautifully comfortable place to sit. The smell of the leather - it's is exactly the same as in the Carrera GT.

My 997 GT3 has a plastic dash. hehe I actually don't like the 997 dash as much as the 996, which I think has aged far more gracefully. As my car also has Nomex bucket seats and a cage, the plastic dash fits - kind of racecar.

I have the boggo leather on the Taycan and have zero complaints, for the price of the car. It's notably better than my mate's Macan GTS, although that's a few years old now.

BorkBorkBork

329 posts

28 months

Friday 6th May
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Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
BorkBorkBork said:
It sounds like some of you should have waited for a Bentley or Rolls EV. biggrin

All my option tokens get spent on chassis upgrades and driving dynamics. Running my hand over a leather dash doesn’t really make my boxers twitch like going round a corner very quickly.
If that’s your priority, a 2.3 tonne EV probably isn’t the best option!
biggrin
It’s supposed to be my daily, but I’m down to that and an Up! GTI for the moment. But the Taycan isn’t a bad replacement for something a little more nimble. I’m waiting for a GR86 and 992 GTS to turn up, but they may be a while.

Sport_Turismo_GTS

245 posts

6 months

Friday 6th May
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BorkBorkBork said:
It’s supposed to be my daily, but I’m down to that and an Up! GTI for the moment. But the Taycan isn’t a bad replacement for something a little more nimble. I’m waiting for a GR86 and 992 GTS to turn up, but they may be a while.
That’s a nice spread of cars!
Hoping my Taycan GTS arrives in the next few months and then a GT3 will be added next year, all being well. Much house development to get sorted in the meantime!