Got "The Call" (GT3 Touring)... Now Which Transmission?
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Yes the manual GT3 is a bit higher geared in all gears than the PDK. See below +/- 80mph in 2nd. The final drive / rear axle ratio is different for each gearbox - that's why the in-gear top speeds are different even though the ratios within the gearbox are the same for gears 1 to 4. Rear axle ratios are 3.96 manual and 4.19 PDK
Nuttcase said:
Yes the manual GT3 is a bit higher geared in all gears than the PDK. See below +/- 80mph in 2nd. The final drive / rear axle ratio is different for each gearbox - that's why the in-gear top speeds are different even though the ratios within the gearbox are the same for gears 1 to 4. Rear axle ratios are 3.96 manual and 4.19 PDK
Are those the 991 ratios ? I couldn't find 992 ones, hand book doesn't have them like they used to, can you give a link to their source ?Edited by TB993tt on Saturday 18th March 18:18
TB993tt said:
Are those the 991 ratios ? I couldn't find 992 ones, hand book doesn't have them like they used to, can you give a link to their source ?
992 ratios. You can download the specification PDF from here :Edited by TB993tt on Saturday 18th March 18:18
https://media.porsche.com/mediakit/911-gt3/en/down...
PDK does make the performance more accessible IMO.
Especially in GT3 with that engine. Ratios are a useful amount shorter, as you have the extra cog combined with that 9k rev limit and with the quick shift available on the paddles or kickdown… you can rip through to redline and shift points are de-risked.
Manual shift is something special and to be preserved, and whilst not the same ‘art’ that it used to be, there is achievement in getting it right and being totally in control of the machine with minimal interference from computers or systems.… Depends on how you what to use the car at the end of the day.
Congrats on allocation.
Especially in GT3 with that engine. Ratios are a useful amount shorter, as you have the extra cog combined with that 9k rev limit and with the quick shift available on the paddles or kickdown… you can rip through to redline and shift points are de-risked.
Manual shift is something special and to be preserved, and whilst not the same ‘art’ that it used to be, there is achievement in getting it right and being totally in control of the machine with minimal interference from computers or systems.… Depends on how you what to use the car at the end of the day.
Congrats on allocation.
Edited by TDT on Saturday 18th March 18:44
Nuttcase said:
TB993tt said:
Are those the 991 ratios ? I couldn't find 992 ones, hand book doesn't have them like they used to, can you give a link to their source ?
992 ratios. You can download the specification PDF from here :Edited by TB993tt on Saturday 18th March 18:18
https://media.porsche.com/mediakit/911-gt3/en/down...
I am struggling to think of anyone saying in the past that the 6 speed box in the 991.2/992 GT3 is too long geared. When thinking about the maximum speed in each gear it's worth remembering that's 9k rpm not sub 8k rpm like in the GT4.
I'd personally not be worrying about gear ratios when deciding whether to go manual or PDK. Both will be awesome.I went manual with my 991.2 and nearly five years in haven't ever thought I wish I'd gone PDK but we are all different
I'd personally not be worrying about gear ratios when deciding whether to go manual or PDK. Both will be awesome.I went manual with my 991.2 and nearly five years in haven't ever thought I wish I'd gone PDK but we are all different
Having been to view a few GT3 cars, my only observation around the 18 way seats is that it could potentially feel like you are sitting in any regular 992. The buckets add that additional special feeling every time you get in to them. Admittedly, they will not be to everyone’s taste, but more importantly spec it for you.
I’’d go manual if I had to choose - previous experiences - manual, PDK, manual, PDK, manual, manual, PDK, PDK. Don’t get me wrong - the PDK is a track weapon, however for more ‘normal’ driving experiences with the odd feather of the throttle the feeling of being 100% in control of the car sometimes can be alien especially when it kicks down about 3 gears and screams it’s head off
I’’d go manual if I had to choose - previous experiences - manual, PDK, manual, PDK, manual, manual, PDK, PDK. Don’t get me wrong - the PDK is a track weapon, however for more ‘normal’ driving experiences with the odd feather of the throttle the feeling of being 100% in control of the car sometimes can be alien especially when it kicks down about 3 gears and screams it’s head off
Mine has 18 ways and pdk, a choice made after personal experience with previous 911 iterations. I understand the obsession with manual boxes and the ‘interaction’ that is ‘missing’ with a pdk but I have never found this to be the case. Both on track or for spirited driving on the road the pdk can be great fun with whip crack changes, auto or manual, with different driving modes adding to the mix. Around town the auto is just easier especially juggling with nose lift and speed bumps etc.!
Enjoy the experience whichever way you jump.
Enjoy the experience whichever way you jump.
TDT said:
PDK does make the performance more accessible IMO.
Especially in GT3 with that engine. Ratios are a useful amount shorter, as you have the extra cog combined with that 9k rev limit and with the quick shift available on the paddles or kickdown… you can rip through to redline and shift points are de-risked.
Manual shift is something special and to be preserved, and whilst not the same ‘art’ that it used to be, there is achievement in getting it right and being totally in control of the machine with minimal interference from computers or systems.… Depends on how you what to use the car at the end of the day.
Congrats on allocation.
Manuel means more fun to explore the performance,pdk is a automatic that you can lazily flick a switch,or not bother and just lounge back,why have a sports car that chooses what gear you are in.Especially in GT3 with that engine. Ratios are a useful amount shorter, as you have the extra cog combined with that 9k rev limit and with the quick shift available on the paddles or kickdown… you can rip through to redline and shift points are de-risked.
Manual shift is something special and to be preserved, and whilst not the same ‘art’ that it used to be, there is achievement in getting it right and being totally in control of the machine with minimal interference from computers or systems.… Depends on how you what to use the car at the end of the day.
Congrats on allocation.
Edited by TDT on Saturday 18th March 18:44
Yellow491 said:
Manuel means more fun to explore the performance,pdk is a automatic that you can lazily flick a switch,or not bother and just lounge back,why have a sports car that chooses what gear you are in.
Up until the RS day I preferred a PDK on track but now prefer a Manual unless stuck in slow traffic. Really wish the 4RS had the Manual option however all reviewers have said the short geared PDKS really suits it.There is a world of difference between a standard PDK as you get in normal 992s and GT4 compared to a short geared non overdrive PDKS as found in GT3s and Gt4 RS. I hated the 8 speed PDK I had in my old 992S but loved the PDKS in the 991RS.
Taffy66 said:
Up until the RS day I preferred a PDK on track but now prefer a Manual unless stuck in slow traffic. Really wish the 4RS had the Manual option however all reviewers have said the short geared PDKS really suits it.
There is a world of difference between a standard PDK as you get in normal 992s and GT4 compared to a short geared non overdrive PDKS as found in GT3s and Gt4 RS. I hated the 8 speed PDK I had in my old 992S but loved the PDKS in the 991RS.
@Taffy66 - perhaps the 718-R is what you need?There is a world of difference between a standard PDK as you get in normal 992s and GT4 compared to a short geared non overdrive PDKS as found in GT3s and Gt4 RS. I hated the 8 speed PDK I had in my old 992S but loved the PDKS in the 991RS.
After 30+ years of manuals i went pdk with my .2 gt3.
As addressed above a lot of people seem to
Ignore that you can change gear yourself with pdk .
I understand the argument for manual transmission on the road but I actually found that with pdk you can exploit the engine easier . Over a period of time the manual will hold its value better better usually as they are less popular and therefore rarer but I don’t know if that is true for the 992.
The seats are highly personal ,I wouldn’t buy another car with buckets again unless it was exclusively for track work.
Buy whatever makes you happy ,whatever you do don’t spec a car to impress weirdos on the internet ,every time I’ve been told ‘it must be this or that ‘ I ended up with a car I didn’t enjoy .
As addressed above a lot of people seem to
Ignore that you can change gear yourself with pdk .
I understand the argument for manual transmission on the road but I actually found that with pdk you can exploit the engine easier . Over a period of time the manual will hold its value better better usually as they are less popular and therefore rarer but I don’t know if that is true for the 992.
The seats are highly personal ,I wouldn’t buy another car with buckets again unless it was exclusively for track work.
Buy whatever makes you happy ,whatever you do don’t spec a car to impress weirdos on the internet ,every time I’ve been told ‘it must be this or that ‘ I ended up with a car I didn’t enjoy .
Geneve said:
rkwm1 said:
I think what is just is important if not more so is the seat choice.
Having covered in excess of 7K in 992 GT3 winged and touring with buckets(pdk) and now having access to touring with sport seats and manual, i can say that the charateristics of the ride quality and handling of the car is completely transformed with sport seats.
In particular if the car is not going to be tracked and used on a regular basis, sport seats are the ONLY choice to go for imo.
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100% agree.Having covered in excess of 7K in 992 GT3 winged and touring with buckets(pdk) and now having access to touring with sport seats and manual, i can say that the charateristics of the ride quality and handling of the car is completely transformed with sport seats.
In particular if the car is not going to be tracked and used on a regular basis, sport seats are the ONLY choice to go for imo.
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Whilst some factions will say “it’s not a GT car without buckets” or “you’ll never sell it without them”, an ever increasing number of posters are actually avoiding them.
They look nice, feel good at first acquaintance, and much better on track.
But, for everyday ‘touring’, the basic sports seats will offer a wider range of adjustments and comfort for easier use - including the passenger.
Of course, personal preference, but had a variety of seats on 7 GT and RS models and the right seat choice is a crucial decision that is felt with every journey.
As all my GT3s are manual, I am of course biased. The gearing in both 1.2 and 2.1 iterations suits the car and the engine IMO. It not only works on the German autobahn but also on narrower and twistier roads. Just went for a morning drive over local B roads today and there was never a moment I wished gearing to be different.
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