997 Gen 2 DFI Engines - Woes finally sorted?

997 Gen 2 DFI Engines - Woes finally sorted?

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bcnrml

2,107 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.
Fear? laugh Over the engine of a car? smile That's like suggesting I fear crossing the road! Or getting on a plane as often as I once had to.... smile

I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.
Fear? laugh Over the engine of a car? smile That's like suggesting I fear crossing the road! Or getting on a plane as often as I once had to.... smile

I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
I never said they don't have a coking issue - just that the potential issue shouldn't be assumed (at the moment) to be as serious as e.g. the ims and other issues - which I've always considered (anecdotally) seriously off putting.

Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.


cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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JLJ said:
That is worrying. A friend has one, a beautiful car and an exquisite noise. My 997tt absolutely slaughters his Granturismo S, even my 360 is quicker. A C2S should pull away from a Granturismo, albeit slowly. I had a C2S (gen 2) stay with me in the 360, was only a short blast, but seemed to be just as quick.
I would say that a gen2 C2S would be quicker than a 360, a 4s is just as quick. But i would then say that the engine in the Ferrari is more reliable, who would have thought that back in the late eighties when Porsches where the unbreakable sports car!

bcnrml

2,107 posts

209 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.
Fear? laugh Over the engine of a car? smile That's like suggesting I fear crossing the road! Or getting on a plane as often as I once had to.... smile

I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
I never said they don't have a coking issue - just that the potential issue shouldn't be assumed (at the moment) to be as serious as e.g. the ims and other issues - which I've always considered (anecdotally) seriously off putting.

Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
laugh Haven't had a laugh like this since people like the now very quiet bennno, kva and soovy insisted on similar things!

You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand? smile

You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning. smile

Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.

So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter. byebye

Wills2

22,666 posts

174 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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cayman-black said:
But i would then say that the engine in the Ferrari is more reliable, who would have thought that back in the late eighties when Porsches where the unbreakable sports car!
What makes you say that? I haven't heard of any gen2 engine failures, do you have experience of a failed gen2 engine?


///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.
Fear? laugh Over the engine of a car? smile That's like suggesting I fear crossing the road! Or getting on a plane as often as I once had to.... smile

I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
I never said they don't have a coking issue - just that the potential issue shouldn't be assumed (at the moment) to be as serious as e.g. the ims and other issues - which I've always considered (anecdotally) seriously off putting.

Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
laugh Haven't had a laugh like this since people like the now very quiet bennno, kva and soovy insisted on similar things!

You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand? smile

You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning. smile

Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.

So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter. byebye
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I just asked why you feel so strongly about the issue? I wasn't being rude by saying you sound bitter. I was just asking why. I have a look in the posts. I've never doubted the engines issues are real fwiw.


rimkah

1,057 posts

165 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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bcnrml thank you for your informative post, you appear to be an expert in this topic(not taking mick;)

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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Wills2 said:
What makes you say that? I haven't heard of any gen2 engine failures, do you have experience of a failed gen2 engine?
Wills2, sorry i was talking about 996/997 cars.
bcnrml talks the facts. For some the truth seems too hurt.

bcnrml

2,107 posts

209 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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Rimkah and cayman-black, thanks for your comments. thumbup

Wills2

22,666 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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cayman-black said:
Wills2 said:
What makes you say that? I haven't heard of any gen2 engine failures, do you have experience of a failed gen2 engine?
Wills2, sorry i was talking about 996/997 cars.
bcnrml talks the facts. For some the truth seems too hurt.
Ah I see, as for the facts bcnrml has no more idea than me about coking issues in the 997.2 DFI engines he hasn't seen it and neither have I.

Facts are actually in short supply.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.
Fear? laugh Over the engine of a car? smile That's like suggesting I fear crossing the road! Or getting on a plane as often as I once had to.... smile

I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
I never said they don't have a coking issue - just that the potential issue shouldn't be assumed (at the moment) to be as serious as e.g. the ims and other issues - which I've always considered (anecdotally) seriously off putting.

Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
laugh Haven't had a laugh like this since people like the now very quiet bennno, kva and soovy insisted on similar things!

You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand? smile

You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning. smile

Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.

So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter. byebye
OK, now I've read some of the thread you suggested. I haven't learnt much about your motivations, but...

Wow. What an attitude you have. Even being obnoxious & rude to poor old helpful Hartech, and somehow trying to take on the role of moral guardian of the thread with simply breathtaking arrogance. You seem to be trying to do the same here....

I don't understand the secrecy though over your interest? Why won't you admit your interest? Are you interested in owning a Porsche xxx/996/997/991 at some point, or have you had bad experiences of previous ownership that make you so angry & frustrated?

I suspect given your previous form you will refuse to answer this question. What does that say about you?

I've said it in nearly every post on here - but I have never doubted that the 996/997 engine issues are real. I'm not sure why you keep implying I am some sort of non-believer? Does your arrogance impede your basic comprehension skills?




mollytherocker

Original Poster:

14,365 posts

208 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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I thought I would give my 2.5 year old thread a bit of a bump to see if anythings changed?

These engines have now served for circa 5 years and reliability is looking good.

So, can we truly say that Porsche are fully back to making quality engines again?

drmark

4,794 posts

185 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Seems the clairvoyants and naysayers have yet to be proved right. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or evidence based practice?
wink

Edited by drmark on Monday 30th December 22:10

drmark

4,794 posts

185 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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Ian_UK1 said:
Thanks for the compliment. A Doctor who obviously hasn't a clue what paranoia means! Let me educate you. Paranoia - "a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions". Kindly explain to me how the simple, scientific understanding of the inevitable consequences of a known type of mechanical system can be systematized delusion? Denying the simple, well-understood science is delusional, not accepting it and trying to quantify its effects.

The reason I didn't get the car scoped is because my local independent didn't have a borescope that we could get pictures from. It has a tiny 2" screen that is too small and also too dim to photograph. And of course I daren't say on here that I've seen an issue then not put pics up to 'prove' it. I'd obviously have been lying and spreading unfounded myths about cars that in reality are completely perfect in every way. There you go - no paranoia here! biggrin
And since the thread has been ressurected, may I point out that paranoia is also defined as "intense fear or suspicion - often unfounded".
Quod erat demonstrandum.
And I am not trying to be nasty, just couldn't resist wink



Edited by drmark on Monday 30th December 22:36

mollytherocker

Original Poster:

14,365 posts

208 months

Monday 30th December 2013
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anonymous said:
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This is exactly my frustration!

It would have cost very little to sort the fundamental design issues, and they just said 'fk it' for 10 years!

I dont get it, and never will.

Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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I think five years of the 9A1 and it's looking good. There are some fairly high milers out there and they seem to be coping. Heard of a very few that needed engine out work and mine had a replacement lump. Seems pretty good. PDK not failing in any numbers either.

Let's try again in a couple more years.

drmark

4,794 posts

185 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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anonymous said:
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Aye, but you are still innocent until proven guilty even if you have form. And the concerns about coking were new and based on pure speculation - there had been not a single recorded case. And I don't think there has been one since.
All I suggested was that we stopped debating an issue that wasn't yet an issue. Is that so daft?

Ekona

1,652 posts

201 months

Wednesday 1st January 2014
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I refuse to pass comment on this thread as I'm not renewing the warranty on mine this year. biggrin

BubblesNW

1,710 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st January 2014
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Ekona said:
I refuse to pass comment on this thread as I'm not renewing the warranty on mine this year. biggrin
Fail.

However, the omens seem to suggest there are very few gremlins with the DFi engines. Fingers crossed...

wilkos

197 posts

237 months

Wednesday 1st January 2014
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I've run mine for 2 1/2 years and 25k miles (now on 33k) all in warranty, but the only work the cars had is a new tail light as one filled with water to a point where it failed. Had the fuel pump recall, but it's been a totally reliable daily. The 3 years of warranty extension has been a waste of money for me. Other than piece of mind that is.
I will not be renewing it in May next year, but then I'll be trading it for a 991 soon after.
Mines had routine servicing and a new battery. No other costs.

Lots of scare mongering. Personally I'd now take the risk (as I have the ability to fund major work if god forbid something happened). If you don't, don't buy an expensive car ( or buy the warranty)