997 Gen 2 DFI Engines - Woes finally sorted?
Discussion
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
JLJ said:
That is worrying. A friend has one, a beautiful car and an exquisite noise. My 997tt absolutely slaughters his Granturismo S, even my 360 is quicker. A C2S should pull away from a Granturismo, albeit slowly. I had a C2S (gen 2) stay with me in the 360, was only a short blast, but seemed to be just as quick.
I would say that a gen2 C2S would be quicker than a 360, a 4s is just as quick. But i would then say that the engine in the Ferrari is more reliable, who would have thought that back in the late eighties when Porsches where the unbreakable sports car!///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand?
You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning.
Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.
So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter.
cayman-black said:
But i would then say that the engine in the Ferrari is more reliable, who would have thought that back in the late eighties when Porsches where the unbreakable sports car!
What makes you say that? I haven't heard of any gen2 engine failures, do you have experience of a failed gen2 engine?bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand?
You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning.
Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.
So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter.
I just asked why you feel so strongly about the issue? I wasn't being rude by saying you sound bitter. I was just asking why. I have a look in the posts. I've never doubted the engines issues are real fwiw.
cayman-black said:
Wills2 said:
What makes you say that? I haven't heard of any gen2 engine failures, do you have experience of a failed gen2 engine?
Wills2, sorry i was talking about 996/997 cars.bcnrml talks the facts. For some the truth seems too hurt.
Facts are actually in short supply.
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
///ajd said:
bcnrml said:
It is an issue and it does exist.
This is what caused my misunderstanding, but I can see in your above post that you are, to an extent, trying to keep your fear over the coking issue in perspective.I don't understand why you think (or thought) DFI engines don't have a coking issue though. But that's a rhetorical question and the answer's ultimately your business - until (and if) you start declaring there isn't an issue and encouraging everyone to do as others did over the 996 and 997 engine issues (which at one stage not so long ago couldn't possibly have existed, the 997 one especially non-existent because of all of Porsche's virtues as a company!).
Do you actually like porsches - I'm a bit confused as to your motivations for your style of posting? Did you have 996 that blew up? If so I could understand your bitterness.
You confess to not understanding a person's motives or communication style and then take a negative view of that which you don't understand?
You assume far too much. Your text (as I've emobldened) is as relevant and mature as the stuff being bandied around by drmark et al (including the three named above) when they shouted down everyone who said Porsche engines had a problem. Some were shouting very loudly in 2004-2005 when I first lurked! Now if you'd read enough of the first few pages and the last five-ten of Tonikaram's sticky, you'd probably learn the answers to your questions of me. You should, at the very least, learn - from a respected Indie on here - that there are up to 16 modes of failure for the outgoing engine. I didn't state that. Others did. Meanwhile, I haven't heard a word of apology or any humility from any of you who play(ed) this down with your line of reasoning.
Now you're trotting out the usual rubbish (distracted by personal stuff, etc). The emotive, usually infantile and personal stuff has almost entirely come from those claiming the problem is overstated or doesn't exist.
So, ajd, I wish you saludos. I shall not be responding to your posts in future - y'see, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last two posts show that was an error on my part! I'm happy to quit now, and if you don't understand why, it doesn't matter.
Wow. What an attitude you have. Even being obnoxious & rude to poor old helpful Hartech, and somehow trying to take on the role of moral guardian of the thread with simply breathtaking arrogance. You seem to be trying to do the same here....
I don't understand the secrecy though over your interest? Why won't you admit your interest? Are you interested in owning a Porsche xxx/996/997/991 at some point, or have you had bad experiences of previous ownership that make you so angry & frustrated?
I suspect given your previous form you will refuse to answer this question. What does that say about you?
I've said it in nearly every post on here - but I have never doubted that the 996/997 engine issues are real. I'm not sure why you keep implying I am some sort of non-believer? Does your arrogance impede your basic comprehension skills?
Ian_UK1 said:
Thanks for the compliment. A Doctor who obviously hasn't a clue what paranoia means! Let me educate you. Paranoia - "a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions". Kindly explain to me how the simple, scientific understanding of the inevitable consequences of a known type of mechanical system can be systematized delusion? Denying the simple, well-understood science is delusional, not accepting it and trying to quantify its effects.
The reason I didn't get the car scoped is because my local independent didn't have a borescope that we could get pictures from. It has a tiny 2" screen that is too small and also too dim to photograph. And of course I daren't say on here that I've seen an issue then not put pics up to 'prove' it. I'd obviously have been lying and spreading unfounded myths about cars that in reality are completely perfect in every way. There you go - no paranoia here!
And since the thread has been ressurected, may I point out that paranoia is also defined as "intense fear or suspicion - often unfounded".The reason I didn't get the car scoped is because my local independent didn't have a borescope that we could get pictures from. It has a tiny 2" screen that is too small and also too dim to photograph. And of course I daren't say on here that I've seen an issue then not put pics up to 'prove' it. I'd obviously have been lying and spreading unfounded myths about cars that in reality are completely perfect in every way. There you go - no paranoia here!
Quod erat demonstrandum.
And I am not trying to be nasty, just couldn't resist
Edited by drmark on Monday 30th December 22:36
I think five years of the 9A1 and it's looking good. There are some fairly high milers out there and they seem to be coping. Heard of a very few that needed engine out work and mine had a replacement lump. Seems pretty good. PDK not failing in any numbers either.
Let's try again in a couple more years.
Let's try again in a couple more years.
anonymous said:
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Aye, but you are still innocent until proven guilty even if you have form. And the concerns about coking were new and based on pure speculation - there had been not a single recorded case. And I don't think there has been one since.All I suggested was that we stopped debating an issue that wasn't yet an issue. Is that so daft?
I've run mine for 2 1/2 years and 25k miles (now on 33k) all in warranty, but the only work the cars had is a new tail light as one filled with water to a point where it failed. Had the fuel pump recall, but it's been a totally reliable daily. The 3 years of warranty extension has been a waste of money for me. Other than piece of mind that is.
I will not be renewing it in May next year, but then I'll be trading it for a 991 soon after.
Mines had routine servicing and a new battery. No other costs.
Lots of scare mongering. Personally I'd now take the risk (as I have the ability to fund major work if god forbid something happened). If you don't, don't buy an expensive car ( or buy the warranty)
I will not be renewing it in May next year, but then I'll be trading it for a 991 soon after.
Mines had routine servicing and a new battery. No other costs.
Lots of scare mongering. Personally I'd now take the risk (as I have the ability to fund major work if god forbid something happened). If you don't, don't buy an expensive car ( or buy the warranty)
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