Whoa..huge French SUV tax comes into law.....

Whoa..huge French SUV tax comes into law.....

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irocfan

24,857 posts

149 months

Wednesday 18th March
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mike74 said:
irocfan said:
cardigankid said:
Latest news on EVO - UK Government is planning to make owners of high performance cars pay the heavy Road Tax EVERY year, which could mean up to £2135, every year.

Bugger coronavirus - this is serious.
<gulp> that is in-fking-sane!!!
Wouldn't be surprised if they extend it to used performance cars as well, anything with high CO2's
just read about this - not that it's better, but, it's 'only' proposed for new cars.

sparta6

2,265 posts

59 months

Friday 27th March
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Shifter1 said:
They have to force the public to adopt EVs somehow.
No they don't.

There are far more damaging airborne pollutants around than a clean petrol ICE.

Greta could focus on closing down wet Chinese animal markets for a start

irocfan

24,857 posts

149 months

Friday 27th March
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sparta6 said:
Greta could focus on closing down wet Chinese animal markets for a start
yeah - good luck with that. No issue for her because it not immediately obvious to most people (even now)

sparta6

2,265 posts

59 months

Friday 27th March
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irocfan said:
sparta6 said:
Greta could focus on closing down wet Chinese animal markets for a start
yeah - good luck with that. No issue for her because it not immediately obvious to most people (even now)
Yep - many people looking in the wrong direction and reaching for low hanging fruit.

And then you couple it with people being wary of upsetting China.

The UN should be invoicing China big time

w3526602

20 posts

118 months

Friday 29th May
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Hi,

If the object is to save the planet ... tax fuel.

But if you want to raise revenue, tax the car.

Some London taxis have three owners, each with an 8 hour slot, per day.

The taxi never stops moving ... but I bet it only pays one lot of VED, and whatever "border" penalties apply.

602

Glosphil

2,997 posts

193 months

Friday 29th May
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Shifter1 said:
I'm sure it will come to all ICEs.

They have to force the public to adopt EVs somehow. Most would still rather drive ICEs because it's more convenient and it's what they know. So the way to force EVs in the public will be making owning ICEs prohibitively expensive. If that doesn't work, but it should, they would probably just flat out make ICEs illegal to drive on public roads all together. Then give everybody like 5 years notice. Maybe 3.

At least in the UK and Europe. The U.S doesn't seem in a hurry at all to replace ICEs. Ironic since the company leading the charge, Tesla, is an American company.
Tesla leading the charge to change from ICE to EV!!! Not at those prices. They are selling into a niche market. When they outsell the Fiesta in the UK they will be leading the charge.

CrgT16

1,025 posts

67 months

Friday 29th May
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It's mostly a revenue stream, not a genuine environment policy.

If it was they should tax higher the ones that emit the biggest share of the total emissions, that would not be high performance cars but the everyday bog standard cars just because of volume. But taxing fuel is the fairest way. I am sure soon enough a high performance car will be any car with a 1.6L Turbo spitting something like 180-200bhp.

They tax not because they care but because they can.

NMNeil

882 posts

9 months

Saturday 30th May
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But the tax will only last until 2040, when the French government is banning the sale of any new cars with an ICE engine.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/06/f...

littleredrooster

4,502 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th May
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Glosphil said:
...When they outsell the Fiesta in the UK they will be leading the charge.
They've already done that. Look at the figures for April.

Desb3rd

11 posts

4 months

Monday 3rd August
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This is the banding (for the "malus" - upon purchase only, the French VED-equivalent is relatively cheap and not emissions based as far as I know):

173g/km : 12.552€
174g/km : 13.109€
175g/km : 13.682€
176g/km : 14.273€
177g/km : 14.881€
178g/km : 15.506€
179g/km : 16.149€
180g/km : 16.810€
181g/km : 17.490€
182g/km : 18.188€
183g/km : 18.905€
184g/km : 19.641€
185g/km ou plus : 20.000€

That seems almost ridiculously steeply stratified - but its the very tail of an exponential line that runs from 260.00 at 110gm/km.

The anti-SUV narrative has *some* basis; something blocky and north of 2 tons is very likely to get top-band whilst loads of <1,700kg conventional cars will be paying a fraction of the bill. Take BMW as an example; the lowest spec X3 will attract a 7k bill, it's 3-Series equivalent will cost about 800.00, all X5s are top-band whereas low-spec 5's are ~4k (tourings, in both cases.)

among the French big-three I can't see anything (aside from Renault Sport products and Peugeot's huge van-thing) that make it into the 10k+ banding. Make of that what you will...


TheOrangePeril

595 posts

139 months

Thursday 6th August
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mike74 said:
The current bubble prices for these types of cars would be wiped out overnight if the UK gov introduced similar swingeing taxes on them.
Let's hope so! It's about time that classics became "affordable for enthusiasts" again, rather than "attractive for speculators".

That said, this is presumably about new sales, not second hand. I'm sure that the Bentayga and X6 buyers will find some pennies down the back of the sofa if they really, desperately need these cars.

cardigankid

8,500 posts

171 months

Thursday 13th August
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LawrieC said:
This is why the French have riots, and we have a Boris.
If you want to see a riot wait till they ban classic ICE
.

As for swinging road tax, refer to the Laffer curve. No fker will pay it.

sospan

1,227 posts

181 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Motoring has always been a cash cow for tax generation due to the reliance on vehicles by most people. I live in a rural-ish area so a car is an essential. My son lives in Cardiff and sold his car. He cycles/walks in to his business base and hires a car if needed (rare).
I commuted to Cardiff (60 miles each way on M4) but the train option wouldn’t work. Car sharing was one option we used. 5 in a car so only one full drive a week.
Tobacco tax used to be a similar cash cow. I worked in a cigar factory. HMR&C paid a visit and myself (quality control and responsible for weight control) and the accountant were grilled by the Whitehall Mandarin and his team. Their aim? Making sure they were getting the correct revenue. They were also going round booze, petrol industries too. Tobacco tax revenue has been falling over the last few years so it has to be replaced. The “nasties” of ICE and booze are easy targets. It is only a matter of time when EV’s start to get targeted as well.
The Covid support giveaways will soon be recouped.
Working from home will also reduce fuel tax revenue. I wonder when a “home based working tax” will be introduced?

Shuvi McTupya

24,089 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th August
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irocfan said:
just read about this - not that it's better, but, it's 'only' proposed for new cars.
They should make an exception if the car is UK built. A nice little incentive to buy British.


Jimmy Recard

17,271 posts

138 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Shuvi McTupya said:
They should make an exception if the car is UK built. A nice little incentive to buy British.
That'll make it easy to get trade deals

Shuvi McTupya

24,089 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Jimmy Recard said:
That'll make it easy to get trade deals
Maybe, but US built cars are much cheaper in the US than Imported ones.

Mind you, US built cars are cheaper in the UK than 'comparable' UK built cars..

As you were smile

NMNeil

882 posts

9 months

Wednesday 19th August
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Shuvi McTupya said:
Maybe, but US built cars are much cheaper in the US than Imported ones.

Mind you, US built cars are cheaper in the UK than 'comparable' UK built cars..

As you were smile
Most cars in the US are assembled from foreign parts rather than truly made in the US.