Lamborghini Murcielago
Discussion
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Not a bad little "mark-up" in price for the Murcielago.
Just seen one advertised in the for sale section. RHD car for £204,995. That's £44k over list price.
What some people will do to aviod the wait
Don't get this actually. I can see the logic if the waiting list is >2years. When we aked though, the first delivery slot was Spring next year. That's a brand new car with a new reg etc. At list price. Who the hell wants a Murcielago just in time for Winter? Would be surprised if he sells it at that price.
Hello Gentlemen
I have been browsing pistonheads for some time now and have recently been paying attention to the New Lamborghini v 575 debate and thought I would add my views.
Firstly I'm an engineer and look at cars from a slightly diferrent perspective and perhaps that (along with the fact that It is unlikley that I will ever be able to afford these superb bits of kit) means I can bring a bit of impartiality to the forum.
Manu, I have no idea who you saw at Lamborghini but the account of what happened to you bears no resemblence to the warm welcolme given to me from both the guys who work there (this includes the Ferrari dealership they also have who have put up with my couple of visits).
You say that the guy "questioned your integrity" I made sure that they knew I was not there to buy a car right from the get-go. I wonder if you did the same. You mention in one of the 575 forums that you will only be getting a "matchbox toy" in the next couple of years. It seems to me you have no buying integrity to question. Rant over.
A quote appeared which said somthing like "It's he punter that buys the car" In retaliation to the bad press the 575 had in Evo. I absolutly agree. This must be why the waiting list is so long on the Lambo and 575's is non-existent as well as people being prepared to pay £44K over list price as JAY Z pointed out.
The press has got wosre for the 575 by the way (see August 28th edition of the Autocar "Drivers car of the year)
As I said I'm a pauper, a pauper that wonders what makes someone buy one car over another at this level. My opinion is this, and please Anjum give me your views as you appear to be the best qualified in this forum with the cars you have had and are looking at getting in the future.
If the suspension woes are true with the 575 this has been a decision high up the ladder at Maranello. Additional complience is not engineered by mistake, especialy these days with CAD systems and such like. The days of trial and error prototype construction have long since passed.
Porsche had a big redesign headache with the 911 and came up with the 996.(Now this is an engineers car) but the sports car drivers that bought them thought them to be too soft and anodine. I think Ferrari have made the same mistake and missread what people want from a sports car. If you are only going to build a handfull of cars a year why make a pussycat out of a stallion?
If people want a soft easy car then let them buy somthing else and find someone else to buy what you make. With such low volumes of production this can't be hard can it?
I can't believe that Ferrari have made such a bad car (i.e. It can't be as bad as people are saying)it's just that perhaps they are losing their way a little. I read the other day that with the capital rasied from the proposed float away from the crippled mothership of Fiat will be used to "further the brand value of Ferrari" what this means is that a bunch of accountants realise that you can make a lot of money from Tee shirts and key rings. Luca even said that they would build a Ferrari theme park. Can you imagine it............
"ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR THE SCARE OF YOUR LIFE ON THE ENZO GHOST TRAIN"
"GET YOUR DINO BURGERS HERE"
ENJOY A "QUATROVALVOLE" COCKTAIL BEFORE DINNER IN THE FIORANO STEAK HOUSE"
Enjoy the spirit of what sports cars are about .Not trinkets to be discussed at dinner parties, and poodled up the kings road at 5mph in full auto mode.
All of you of who can afford them need to tell the guilty manufacturers who are losing the plot in the best way possible........ by not buying their cars.
This ,I belive, is what is happening with the 575 and why the Bulino is catching up and dare I say it overtaking.
Will the tractor manufacturer who was goaded into becoming a competitor by Enzo himself have the last laugh?
I have been browsing pistonheads for some time now and have recently been paying attention to the New Lamborghini v 575 debate and thought I would add my views.
Firstly I'm an engineer and look at cars from a slightly diferrent perspective and perhaps that (along with the fact that It is unlikley that I will ever be able to afford these superb bits of kit) means I can bring a bit of impartiality to the forum.
Manu, I have no idea who you saw at Lamborghini but the account of what happened to you bears no resemblence to the warm welcolme given to me from both the guys who work there (this includes the Ferrari dealership they also have who have put up with my couple of visits).
You say that the guy "questioned your integrity" I made sure that they knew I was not there to buy a car right from the get-go. I wonder if you did the same. You mention in one of the 575 forums that you will only be getting a "matchbox toy" in the next couple of years. It seems to me you have no buying integrity to question. Rant over.
A quote appeared which said somthing like "It's he punter that buys the car" In retaliation to the bad press the 575 had in Evo. I absolutly agree. This must be why the waiting list is so long on the Lambo and 575's is non-existent as well as people being prepared to pay £44K over list price as JAY Z pointed out.
The press has got wosre for the 575 by the way (see August 28th edition of the Autocar "Drivers car of the year)
As I said I'm a pauper, a pauper that wonders what makes someone buy one car over another at this level. My opinion is this, and please Anjum give me your views as you appear to be the best qualified in this forum with the cars you have had and are looking at getting in the future.
If the suspension woes are true with the 575 this has been a decision high up the ladder at Maranello. Additional complience is not engineered by mistake, especialy these days with CAD systems and such like. The days of trial and error prototype construction have long since passed.
Porsche had a big redesign headache with the 911 and came up with the 996.(Now this is an engineers car) but the sports car drivers that bought them thought them to be too soft and anodine. I think Ferrari have made the same mistake and missread what people want from a sports car. If you are only going to build a handfull of cars a year why make a pussycat out of a stallion?
If people want a soft easy car then let them buy somthing else and find someone else to buy what you make. With such low volumes of production this can't be hard can it?
I can't believe that Ferrari have made such a bad car (i.e. It can't be as bad as people are saying)it's just that perhaps they are losing their way a little. I read the other day that with the capital rasied from the proposed float away from the crippled mothership of Fiat will be used to "further the brand value of Ferrari" what this means is that a bunch of accountants realise that you can make a lot of money from Tee shirts and key rings. Luca even said that they would build a Ferrari theme park. Can you imagine it............
"ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR THE SCARE OF YOUR LIFE ON THE ENZO GHOST TRAIN"
"GET YOUR DINO BURGERS HERE"
ENJOY A "QUATROVALVOLE" COCKTAIL BEFORE DINNER IN THE FIORANO STEAK HOUSE"
Enjoy the spirit of what sports cars are about .Not trinkets to be discussed at dinner parties, and poodled up the kings road at 5mph in full auto mode.
All of you of who can afford them need to tell the guilty manufacturers who are losing the plot in the best way possible........ by not buying their cars.
This ,I belive, is what is happening with the 575 and why the Bulino is catching up and dare I say it overtaking.
Will the tractor manufacturer who was goaded into becoming a competitor by Enzo himself have the last laugh?
Hello Gentlemen
I have been browsing pistonheads for some time now and have recently been paying attention to the New Lamborghini v 575 debate and thought I would add my views.
Firstly I'm an engineer and look at cars from a slightly diferrent perspective and perhaps that (along with the fact that It is unlikley that I will ever be able to afford these superb bits of kit) means I can bring a bit of impartiality to the forum.
Manu, I have no idea who you saw at Lamborghini but the account of what happened to you bears no resemblence to the warm welcolme given to me from both the guys who work there (this includes the Ferrari dealership they also have who have put up with my couple of visits).
You say that the guy "questioned your integrity" I made sure that they knew I was not there to buy a car right from the get-go. I wonder if you did the same. You mention in one of the 575 forums that you will only be getting a "matchbox toy" in the next couple of years. It seems to me you have no buying integrity to question. Rant over.
A quote appeared which said somthing like "It's he punter that buys the car" In retaliation to the bad press the 575 had in Evo. I absolutly agree. This must be why the waiting list is so long on the Lambo and 575's is non-existent as well as people being prepared to pay £44K over list price as JAY Z pointed out.
The press has got wosre for the 575 by the way (see August 28th edition of the Autocar "Drivers car of the year)
As I said I'm a pauper, a pauper that wonders what makes someone buy one car over another at this level. My opinion is this, and please Anjum give me your views as you appear to be the best qualified in this forum with the cars you have had and are looking at getting in the future.
If the suspension woes are true with the 575 this has been a decision high up the ladder at Maranello. Additional complience is not engineered by mistake, especialy these days with CAD systems and such like. The days of trial and error prototype construction have long since passed.
Porsche had a big redesign headache with the 911 and came up with the 996.(Now this is an engineers car) but the sports car drivers that bought them thought them to be too soft and anodine. I think Ferrari have made the same mistake and missread what people want from a sports car. If you are only going to build a handfull of cars a year why make a pussycat out of a stallion?
If people want a soft easy car then let them buy somthing else and find someone else to buy what you make. With such low volumes of production this can't be hard can it?
I can't believe that Ferrari have made such a bad car (i.e. It can't be as bad as people are saying)it's just that perhaps they are losing their way a little. I read the other day that with the capital rasied from the proposed float away from the crippled mothership of Fiat will be used to "further the brand value of Ferrari" what this means is that a bunch of accountants realise that you can make a lot of money from Tee shirts and key rings. Luca even said that they would build a Ferrari theme park. Can you imagine it............
"ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR THE SCARE OF YOUR LIFE ON THE ENZO GHOST TRAIN"
"GET YOUR DINO BURGERS HERE"
ENJOY A "QUATROVALVOLE" COCKTAIL BEFORE DINNER IN THE FIORANO STEAK HOUSE"
Enjoy the spirit of what sports cars are about .Not trinkets to be discussed at dinner parties, and poodled up the kings road at 5mph in full auto mode.
All of you of who can afford them need to tell the guilty manufacturers who are losing the plot in the best way possible........ by not buying their cars.
This ,I belive, is what is happening with the 575 and why the Bulino is catching up and dare I say it overtaking.
Will the tractor manufacturer who was goaded into becoming a competitor by Enzo himself have the last laugh?
I have been browsing pistonheads for some time now and have recently been paying attention to the New Lamborghini v 575 debate and thought I would add my views.
Firstly I'm an engineer and look at cars from a slightly diferrent perspective and perhaps that (along with the fact that It is unlikley that I will ever be able to afford these superb bits of kit) means I can bring a bit of impartiality to the forum.
Manu, I have no idea who you saw at Lamborghini but the account of what happened to you bears no resemblence to the warm welcolme given to me from both the guys who work there (this includes the Ferrari dealership they also have who have put up with my couple of visits).
You say that the guy "questioned your integrity" I made sure that they knew I was not there to buy a car right from the get-go. I wonder if you did the same. You mention in one of the 575 forums that you will only be getting a "matchbox toy" in the next couple of years. It seems to me you have no buying integrity to question. Rant over.
A quote appeared which said somthing like "It's he punter that buys the car" In retaliation to the bad press the 575 had in Evo. I absolutly agree. This must be why the waiting list is so long on the Lambo and 575's is non-existent as well as people being prepared to pay £44K over list price as JAY Z pointed out.
The press has got wosre for the 575 by the way (see August 28th edition of the Autocar "Drivers car of the year)
As I said I'm a pauper, a pauper that wonders what makes someone buy one car over another at this level. My opinion is this, and please Anjum give me your views as you appear to be the best qualified in this forum with the cars you have had and are looking at getting in the future.
If the suspension woes are true with the 575 this has been a decision high up the ladder at Maranello. Additional complience is not engineered by mistake, especialy these days with CAD systems and such like. The days of trial and error prototype construction have long since passed.
Porsche had a big redesign headache with the 911 and came up with the 996.(Now this is an engineers car) but the sports car drivers that bought them thought them to be too soft and anodine. I think Ferrari have made the same mistake and missread what people want from a sports car. If you are only going to build a handfull of cars a year why make a pussycat out of a stallion?
If people want a soft easy car then let them buy somthing else and find someone else to buy what you make. With such low volumes of production this can't be hard can it?
I can't believe that Ferrari have made such a bad car (i.e. It can't be as bad as people are saying)it's just that perhaps they are losing their way a little. I read the other day that with the capital rasied from the proposed float away from the crippled mothership of Fiat will be used to "further the brand value of Ferrari" what this means is that a bunch of accountants realise that you can make a lot of money from Tee shirts and key rings. Luca even said that they would build a Ferrari theme park. Can you imagine it............
"ROLL UP ROLL UP FOR THE SCARE OF YOUR LIFE ON THE ENZO GHOST TRAIN"
"GET YOUR DINO BURGERS HERE"
ENJOY A "QUATROVALVOLE" COCKTAIL BEFORE DINNER IN THE FIORANO STEAK HOUSE"
Enjoy the spirit of what sports cars are about .Not trinkets to be discussed at dinner parties, and poodled up the kings road at 5mph in full auto mode.
All of you of who can afford them need to tell the guilty manufacturers who are losing the plot in the best way possible........ by not buying their cars.
This ,I belive, is what is happening with the 575 and why the Bulino is catching up and dare I say it overtaking.
Will the tractor manufacturer who was goaded into becoming a competitor by Enzo himself have the last laugh?
Radial Valve,
The Murcielago is no way near as high in demand as you seem to think. The dealer had allocations available for the car at the end of this year and in the beginning of 2003, why pay 44k extra now when you can get the car of your choice and spec as early as Jan and Feb? Ferraris typically have a much much longer waiting list an ANY model.
The Murcielago was in my opinion disappointing, but each to their own I'm not going to repeat my views which I said at the beggining of this post weeks ago.
Remember one thing also. Many people are in a position to buy the car but may not choose to shout that from the roof tops. Commenting on someones buying integrity and position without even knowing them is totally senseless unless your their bloody bank manager. Hence your rant at Manu serves no purpose and is unfounded. Manu refers to his specific treatment by that dealer which was bad not only in his opinion but by others too who went there to test drive the car.
The Murcielago is no way near as high in demand as you seem to think. The dealer had allocations available for the car at the end of this year and in the beginning of 2003, why pay 44k extra now when you can get the car of your choice and spec as early as Jan and Feb? Ferraris typically have a much much longer waiting list an ANY model.
The Murcielago was in my opinion disappointing, but each to their own I'm not going to repeat my views which I said at the beggining of this post weeks ago.
Remember one thing also. Many people are in a position to buy the car but may not choose to shout that from the roof tops. Commenting on someones buying integrity and position without even knowing them is totally senseless unless your their bloody bank manager. Hence your rant at Manu serves no purpose and is unfounded. Manu refers to his specific treatment by that dealer which was bad not only in his opinion but by others too who went there to test drive the car.
Ajaym
Well I guess we all must speak as we find. Although not all the postings here seem to be as negative.
I have put a call into a couple of Ferrari dealers and to Lamborghini this morning. The results are as follows.
360 Spider; 3 years
360 Modena; 18 months
575; Delivery now
456; Delivery now
Muricelago; 18 months
I wonder if the price difference between 360 and the Lamborghini has an impact on lead time?. They tell me that there is a new Lamborghini being shown at Geneva Motor show next year (they don't have a name for it yet I understand)which will be roughly the same money as 360. I wonder what the lead time of that model will run to. Lamborghini are not taking deposits for it at the moment so it's hard to tell at this stage.
Has anyone heard anything about this car or what it looks like or what the tech spec is?
Well I guess we all must speak as we find. Although not all the postings here seem to be as negative.
I have put a call into a couple of Ferrari dealers and to Lamborghini this morning. The results are as follows.
360 Spider; 3 years
360 Modena; 18 months
575; Delivery now
456; Delivery now
Muricelago; 18 months
I wonder if the price difference between 360 and the Lamborghini has an impact on lead time?. They tell me that there is a new Lamborghini being shown at Geneva Motor show next year (they don't have a name for it yet I understand)which will be roughly the same money as 360. I wonder what the lead time of that model will run to. Lamborghini are not taking deposits for it at the moment so it's hard to tell at this stage.
Has anyone heard anything about this car or what it looks like or what the tech spec is?
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