Carbon ceramic brake discs - refurbishment now possible.

Carbon ceramic brake discs - refurbishment now possible.

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Schermerhorn

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4,243 posts

166 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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Hi guys,

if you have carbon ceramic brake discs that are now fairly old, rope and don't work as good as they once did and DON'T want to spend tens of thousands replacing them, there is an option to refurbish them to as good as new, if not better.

SICOM in Germany offer this service. The old discs are machined, levelled and a surface polymer layer made from carbon silicon replaces the worn away surface. The results are fantastic and braking just as impressive. All for 25% of the OEM price. A 12 month warranty is also given.

Here is a Ferrari F430 that recently had them done

Before


After (other side)



There is also a running discussion on the Porsche forum about these discs and the refurbishment process.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

While all the latest updates can be found on the Twitter page.

https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK


tony h

2,703 posts

223 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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that's very interesting and high time someone stepped in to offer an alternative to replacing the whole disk. are the disks x rayed or suchlike first to determine if there are any hidden cracks/faults?

F355GTS

3,681 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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i've been talking to Sicom for nearly a Year now and the issue was always about the dash reset. It seems there is a solution to this now which is great news


Schermerhorn

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Wednesday 29th April 2015
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As standard, every new refurbished disc will get new nuts and bolts.


Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 22

Regarding the refurbishment, the process is something like this

- Discs are weighed and depending on wear and wear pattern and rotors are x-rayed and examined for structural damage.
- Brake pad residue or contaminates is chemically steamed off
- Discs are machined until they are level
- Napped are vacuum soaked in polymeric carbon
- Pyrolyze the discs at 1100°C
- The last two steps are repeated three times
- Discs are siliconized at 1500°C
- Top layer (ca. 1mm thick) is now restored, and trough the pyrolysis it is chemically and physically bonded with the structure
- Final sanding of top layer
- Disc is reassembled and weighed once more and precision-balanced
- The disc now has gained about 30-50g and is at desired value once more

I've copied and pasted this from the SICOM site as it's more elaborate than how I would have been able to explain it.



tony h

2,703 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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thanks for info

Schermerhorn

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Thursday 30th April 2015
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tony h said:
thanks for info
Here's a Porsche GT3 disc that was refurbished vs a non refurbished one



Edited by Schermerhorn on Tuesday 12th May 17:30

Schermerhorn

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Wednesday 24th June 2015
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More info for you guys


Adrian-5erfh

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33 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Hi

I’m buying an RS6 with Carbon Ceramics, from an Audi main dealership with 22000 miles. I know Audi guarantee the brakes for 100000 miles, but do they last this long and is there a service cost to them? I saw this thread and wondered what the cost was for a refurb too. Also at what point do they become hard to sell, 50k, 60k, 70k??

Thanks in advance

Ady

MDL111

6,250 posts

154 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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I am very surprised they guaranteed the brakes - what if you took it on track and shagged them within a few thousand miles?
In any case, I am sure somebody will be along great who had his/hers refurbished - from memory it is something like 1-1.3k per disc (maybe a little more) - I seem to remember that some people waited quite a long time to get theirs back in the past (Sicom possibly now rebrake namechange)

Adrian-5erfh

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33 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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I called Audi uk as the salesman hasn’t put it in writing yet for me as promised and they have stated they are not at all guaranteed as they are a wear and tear item. I haven’t paid a deposit but the problem now is I have been approved for finance. I’m not sure what to do now. 🤔

Gary C

9,612 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Adrian-5erfh said:
I called Audi uk as the salesman hasn’t put it in writing yet for me as promised and they have stated they are not at all guaranteed as they are a wear and tear item. I haven’t paid a deposit but the problem now is I have been approved for finance. I’m not sure what to do now. ??
Buy it, put steel disks and appropriate pads, then put them back on to sell ?

I know porsche owners have done this. I imagine the parts are available for an audi.

Adrian-5erfh

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33 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Do the front and rear discs generally wear out at the same time? I know it’s a Quattro, but it has a front wheel drive bias.

Gary C

9,612 posts

156 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Adrian-5erfh said:
Do the front and rear discs generally wear out at the same time? I know it’s a Quattro, but it has a front wheel drive bias.
Braking will be biased mainly to the front (2 to 3 times more) as weight transfer under braking means the fronts always do most of the work. So the front disks will take much more of the wear.