Perhaps sir would like one in yellow (Enzo)
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For your enjoyment:
http://autoweek.com/specials/2002_paris/enzo/1.htm
(Just as I was getting used to the one in red...)
cheers
ErnestM
http://autoweek.com/specials/2002_paris/enzo/1.htm
(Just as I was getting used to the one in red...)
cheers
ErnestM
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Does anyone know the price point Ferrarri are planning on selling this thing at? Is it 360 money or...
I haven't followed this at all because I'm the kind of guy who doesn't give a t***. I'm not buying one whatever it costs!
I'm just interested If you know marki tell me!!!!
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Does anyone know the price point Ferrarri are planning on selling this thing at? Is it 360 money or...
That'll be 450K of your English pounds. And that is its least flattering angle. I saw a yellow one coming down the street in Maranello, and it has huge road presence. But the design you see is what you get in this ridiculous top speed war where the shape is governed by the need for stability above 200mph.
I'd still have one though.
Sorry, but is this an early sign of Ferrari losing its design direction? This is what I mean (IMHO):
456GT: Nothing to criticise - its gorgeous and would stand alongside its predecessor's..
550/575: Missing something of the 'edge' that you would expect of a Ferrari GT, lot of criticism recieved about the front end being overstyled (think Toyota Supra) & the rear end being heavy
handed (those haunches over the rear wheels) and I would have to agree that it just doesn't 'flow' cohesively the way it should (or even the way a 456 does). Comparison to Daytona? There is
none in terms of style.
360: I'm treading carefully here 'cos I love Kev's car and I want a ride in it! My resistance to the styling at its launch has subsided but is still there. To me the rear haunches over the wheels are
too large - there seems to be a lot of dead space between the wheels and the rear deck. And the front end lacks imagination, rather too simple with those plastic covers over the lamps (I've
always liked the look of pop ups anyway) and those gaping air intakes. Simply compare to the stunning beauty of a 355 or earlier 308 - both beyond improvement...
Enzo: Bl00dy hell! Who decided Ferrari's dont have to be beautiful any more? Well for me its one of the reasons I ache to own a 355 (or maybe a 250GT SWB $$$; dreaming). The F50 was
no work of beauty, with an almost cartoonish level of overstyling but this makes it seem pretty and elegant.. Have we forgotten how stunning the F40 was / is? And I don't recall that car
generating huge lift at high speeds - they went racing in it.
Of course there have been a few styling faux-pas historically - Testarossa, 348, 412 series - but I'd just like to see the days when everything to come out of Maranello is jaw droppingly, achingly,
stunningly, beautiful in the mould of the fabulous 250 series, the Dino, 355, 308, 288GTO, 275GT/B.... rather than just 'stunning' & imposing.
Anyway, rant over. I don't like the Enzo and I'd far rather have an F40 if I was in the market for a hyper-car... Now then Kev can I have a go in your car.... I do love it, honest...
>> Edited by trackdemon on Friday 27th September 15:22
456GT: Nothing to criticise - its gorgeous and would stand alongside its predecessor's..
550/575: Missing something of the 'edge' that you would expect of a Ferrari GT, lot of criticism recieved about the front end being overstyled (think Toyota Supra) & the rear end being heavy
handed (those haunches over the rear wheels) and I would have to agree that it just doesn't 'flow' cohesively the way it should (or even the way a 456 does). Comparison to Daytona? There is
none in terms of style.
360: I'm treading carefully here 'cos I love Kev's car and I want a ride in it! My resistance to the styling at its launch has subsided but is still there. To me the rear haunches over the wheels are
too large - there seems to be a lot of dead space between the wheels and the rear deck. And the front end lacks imagination, rather too simple with those plastic covers over the lamps (I've
always liked the look of pop ups anyway) and those gaping air intakes. Simply compare to the stunning beauty of a 355 or earlier 308 - both beyond improvement...
Enzo: Bl00dy hell! Who decided Ferrari's dont have to be beautiful any more? Well for me its one of the reasons I ache to own a 355 (or maybe a 250GT SWB $$$; dreaming). The F50 was
no work of beauty, with an almost cartoonish level of overstyling but this makes it seem pretty and elegant.. Have we forgotten how stunning the F40 was / is? And I don't recall that car
generating huge lift at high speeds - they went racing in it.
Of course there have been a few styling faux-pas historically - Testarossa, 348, 412 series - but I'd just like to see the days when everything to come out of Maranello is jaw droppingly, achingly,
stunningly, beautiful in the mould of the fabulous 250 series, the Dino, 355, 308, 288GTO, 275GT/B.... rather than just 'stunning' & imposing.
Anyway, rant over. I don't like the Enzo and I'd far rather have an F40 if I was in the market for a hyper-car... Now then Kev can I have a go in your car.... I do love it, honest...
>> Edited by trackdemon on Friday 27th September 15:22
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It might be as ugly as shit in the pics but it looks like its pretty well made, and to be honest I'd rather have that than the F50, don't know why it just seems more potent and focused on its job. In red though.
Actually, it's rumoured to come in black too. Haven't seen that one yet, but I imagine it would look pretty impressive!
ErnestM
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550/575: Missing something of the 'edge' that you would expect of a Ferrari GT, lot of criticism recieved about the front end being overstyled (think Toyota Supra) & the rear end being heavy
handed (those haunches over the rear wheels).....
I can picture Manu trying to arrange a contract on you after reading this.
>> Edited by maranellouk on Saturday 28th September 05:52
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Sorry, but is this an early sign of Ferrari losing its design direction? This is what I mean (IMHO):
360: I'm treading carefully here 'cos I love Kev's car and I want a ride in it! My resistance to the styling at its launch has subsided but is still there. To me the rear haunches over the wheels are
too large - there seems to be a lot of dead space between the wheels and the rear deck. And the front end lacks imagination, rather too simple with those plastic covers over the lamps (I've
always liked the look of pop ups anyway) and those gaping air intakes. Simply compare to the stunning beauty of a 355 or earlier 308 - both beyond improvement...
Now then Kev can I have a go in your car.... I do love it, honest...
Hmmm. Now let me get this straight. You think my 360's got a fat arse, no figure and you don't like it's face. But you still want a ride in her 'coz she's fast. What does that remind you of?
Next time we've got the opportunity we'll go for a spin Trackdemon. A few of these and one of these and you should be fine. Should be fun and I'm sure the car won't hold it against you
Kevin
IMO the 550/575 will date the least of all the modern Ferraris - the radical edge that it supposedly doesn't have means - I believe - that it will be far more timeless than say the Lamborghini Murcielago/Diablo some 10 years from now.
Some decades ago the Miura made the Daytona look positively boring and the Countach made the Boxer look "conservative."
The Daytona especially is talked about in hushed tones today and the same will be said about the 550. (while both the Lambos are recognised as being "supercars over and above drivers cars.
About the looks - Ferrari have never built a car as pretty as the 288GTO.
The 355 is a stunning car - no doubt - but the 360 is a WEAPON. Talking to Ninja (current 355-owner, future 360-owner) about this yesterday - the 355 is more of a sports car whilst the 360 is more of an "exotic sports car."
Moreover the performance has to come at a price. Unlike the 355, the 360s driving position is PERFECT, the cabin is roomy and comfy and it stil drives like a ROCKET.
You cannot have everything but I still think the 360 looks AWESOME.
The 550 is the best of the lot of course, the moment you sit in one and start the engine you'll know that.
Some decades ago the Miura made the Daytona look positively boring and the Countach made the Boxer look "conservative."
The Daytona especially is talked about in hushed tones today and the same will be said about the 550. (while both the Lambos are recognised as being "supercars over and above drivers cars.
About the looks - Ferrari have never built a car as pretty as the 288GTO.
The 355 is a stunning car - no doubt - but the 360 is a WEAPON. Talking to Ninja (current 355-owner, future 360-owner) about this yesterday - the 355 is more of a sports car whilst the 360 is more of an "exotic sports car."
Moreover the performance has to come at a price. Unlike the 355, the 360s driving position is PERFECT, the cabin is roomy and comfy and it stil drives like a ROCKET.
You cannot have everything but I still think the 360 looks AWESOME.
The 550 is the best of the lot of course, the moment you sit in one and start the engine you'll know that.
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