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308gt4

710 posts

232 months

Tuesday 1st October 2002
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Re Chains, the 'chains never break' comment is extremely misguided because chains *do* break... if they are incorrectly made, lubricated or tensioned.

Cheers
Domster



Thanks for reminding me Domster, the belts are very reliable but will suffer bad reputations if you don't do the belt tensioner bearings when you do the belt service.

castex

4,701 posts

245 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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If i might take issue on a couple of points, Ninja.
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What is so manly about having to work a very hard clutch? It can be uncomfortable, cumbersome, slower, and generally to the detriment of fast driving. So I take it in your opinion most formula one drivers are pussies? A well balanced car is one that doesn't cause undue and unnecessary grief for its driver. That includes the clutch. And no, I don't have an F1. But yes I do think you do make some lame comments. If you want to build up some muscles join a gym.




What better way to work up buns of steel than to be thraping a flat twelve? I don't do gyms; I'm not like that. Oh and current F1 drivers do indeed seem to be pussies, with the possible exceptions of Villeneuve and perhaps Montoya.

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What is this crap about older Ferrari's and not liking the modern ones? Perhaps it due to the accessability and useability of the newers ones? Or are you looking at the older ones because they are cheaper? Each to their own but word of advice: Move with the times or else you'll get left behind, and the only people you'll be able to converse with regarding the subject will be "has been" engineers from another era who'll still piss and moan about how the older way of doing things was better. In some things maybe, but not when it comes to Ferrari's, or almost any car in terms of mechanicals.



We all look for different things in our chosen means of transportation. I look for character, a challenge, and the knowledge that everything that happens on the road is down to me alone, and nothing whatsoever to do with electronic 'nannies'(for want of a better expression). The other thing is that they're making too many of the things these days. I'm seeing 355's, 360's, 550's all over the shop and they're lovely cars but it's just not quite as special as it was.

I fear I might be falling into a trap I always told myself I'd avoid. You know, can't hear the words in the pop charts, bobbies looking younger every day, like those steam cars with bike wheels from when I were a lad, etc, etc. What a saddo

But wait! This time it's really true! Cars are getting cacker, safer, duller, less inspired generally as big companies ensure their cars are accessible in all respects (almost a lowest common denominator approach), and that people aren't offended above any other considerations.

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Because they are new cars. And bad cars. And f**king fast cars. And safe cars. And you get one with a warranty. And they come in a nice red. And they sound awesome with a tubi. And they have electric seats. Did I mention that they sound awesome? They are accomplished fast cars. They sound awesome. They look awesome. They sound awesome. etc etc. Who can be arsed with an old car thats likely to cause grief at any given moment? (not that all of them will, but you get my point) Also, if you think the 360 is bug eyed and I'll assume, unattractive, maybe you're not looking hard enough?




Electric seats? You do know you can get Mercs that'll fan/massage your arse while you're at it...
I like new Ferraris, but i do feel the enthusiast is being somewhat overlooked in the pursuit of the rich (U.S.) dabbler at present. Oh and how could a tubi compare with the six-pipe original fitment on the 365BB/GTC? Hmmn?



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ninja_eli

1,524 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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What better way to work up buns of steel than to be thraping a flat twelve?....



Whats "thraping"? If it somehow refers to pumping the clutch, which is logical assumption as thats what we were talking about, then it will only work one bun, not both buns, unless you equally and intermittently use both legs for said pumping of clutch. And yes there are better ways, again the gym pops to mind. Or simple exercises done at your own leisure at your own home. Conclusion: yes there are far better ways to (evenly) work up buns of steel.

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I don't do gyms; I'm not like that



Like what exactly? I don't go gym either, never have been a fan and always trained at home or in a dojo, without gym equipment and weights.

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. Oh and current F1 drivers do indeed seem to be pussies, with the possible exceptions of Villeneuve and perhaps Montoya.



Whats so pussie about the others and so hard about Villenueve or Montoya? Didn't Villeneuve have a really gay hair colour? What's hard or soft about either of that?

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Cool your heels, why don't you? We all look for different things in our chosen means of transportation. I look for character, a challenge, and the knowledge that everything that happens on the road is down to me alone, and nothing whatsoever to do with electronic 'nannies'(for want of a better expression).



Its never down to just you anymore anyway. There are far too many people around for that to be the case anymore (don't know if you've been out and about lately). Also just the way a road in design and the materials used will make an impact on what goes on in your (fast) road driving experience. Not all electronic measures are nannies. Some are, some aren't. Most can be switched off at will anyway. Whats so challenging about an engine/radiator/electronic failure in the middle of a drive?

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The other thing is that they're making too many of the things these days. I'm seeing 355's, 360's, 550's all over the shop and they're lovely cars but it's just not quite as special as it was.



Perhaps true. But Ferrari don't produce many cars every year anyway, and they intend on keeping down the numbers. Maybe we are seeing more Ferrari's on the road now because they are better quality cars than before. Again, not a bad thing.

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I fear I might be falling into a trap I always told myself I'd avoid. You know, can't hear the words in the pop charts, bobbies looking younger every day, like those steam cars with bike wheels from when I were a lad, etc, etc. What a saddo

But wait! This time it's really true! Cars are getting cacker, safer, duller, less inspired generally as big companies ensure their cars are accessible in all respects (almost a lowest common denominator approach), and that people aren't offended above any other considerations.



Perhaps true. They are getting duller, safer etc. I personally don't think this is true to the point of detriment on the Ferraris. They are still very exciting to drive, hardly bland to look at (although this is subjective and relative) and are a lot more capable than before. Or are you more interested in "feeling" fast at 50 MPH into a corner? If you are not scared enough, just go faster. An old car would scare the shit out of me (i.e. = excitement?) at 50MPH into a certain corner I know, yet the 355/Supra at same speed is a look at my passenger and talk about the weather moment in the same corner. When I do want to scare myself shitless, I press the accelerator down harder before said corner. Try it.

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Electric seats? You do know you can get Mercs that'll fan/massage your arse while you're at it...



Thanks for letting me know. I don't need my butt massaged, while I am at what by the way? There seems to be a little obsession with butts????


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I like new Ferraris, but i do feel the enthusiast is being somewhat overlooked in the pursuit of the rich (U.S.) dabbler at present. Oh and how could a tubi compare with the six-pipe original fitment on the 365BB/GTC? Hmmn?



Perhaps, but I think they are keeping the balance reasonably well all things considered. Look at Porsche, that is upsetting... Also, they are in business to make money, look at Aston Martin.

I prefer F1 style sound myself, but yes the older cars sound lovely. But Government regulations means things HAVE to change, whether you or I like it or not.

456mgt

2,491 posts

238 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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This is all getting a bit theoretical, unless we are coming to the view that the PH equivalent of a masonic handshake is to drop our trousers & compare the symmetry of our butt cheeks :hairyarse:. Hey- d'you know this means you could moon someone in a TVR and they wouldn't try to beat you up! Sorted.

I'm reading this posts against the backdrop of having been in the Modena for the last few days, and you know, the words 'boring' 'lowest common denominator' or 'domesticated' (good word that- thanks to Louis in Atlantic City) simply haven't entered my head. Push that throttle down and every thought apart from "God this car sounds the bollocks" followed by "Fk me this is FAST" leaves my head. Most of the critcisms on this thread levelled at modern sportscars are soluble in the sensory overload you get driving them.

I'm feeling a 'derestrictor' moment coming on, but can't compete with the real thing....

ajaym

188 posts

234 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Oh and how could a tubi compare with the six-pipe original fitment on the 365BB/GTC? Hmmn?





I'll show you one and you can make the comparison for real - sounds like... "I can't hear you!"

Animal

4,918 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Right, I've had enough.

1) Those of you who own Ferraris are privileged to the point of madness - no matter how affordable the model in question. I freely admit to being jealous of each and every one of you.

2) Having driven first a 308, then a 550 and latterly a 355, I felt a greater sense of occasion when driving the newer models - especially so with the 550. Climbing in that for the first time was almost overwhelming, even before I'd started it up!

3) Is there any chance that you can import parts directly from overseas manufacturers? A decent courier firm would probably be quite reasonable.

4) The heavy clutch. I've got buns of steel, so I'm sure I could cope (although it might be a bit different from my Seicento). However, surely the leaden controls, ape-like driving position and relatively poor reliability and high expense are all part of the driving experience - a case of the fewer miles one can afford, the more precious they become?

5) Used Ferrari prices as a whole do seem to be going through a slump at the minute, but it's only to be expected, considering the success of the 360 and the hype surrounding the 575.

Take heart though, my Fiat cost me 800 to run last month...

radial valve

26 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Goodness me!!!!!!!!

I was looking forward to puting "Ninja" straight on a few points he made in reply to my posting. I've been away for a few days and I come back to see that "Castex" has peeed on my my bonfire a bit by making a few points himself that I agree with. But heres my two-pennorth anyway.

So Ninge you are of the "unless-it's-new-on-the-street-it's-not-worth-damn" school of blind consumers and gods gift to ad men are you? Mmmmmmnn.

Maserati once had a car called a 250F It was many years back so you would'nt know about it. It was so advanced in it's day, every other manufacturer had a job keeping up. It also helped having a very talented driver called Fangio behind the wheel as well mind you. You should read the story of his most famous grand prix race at the "ring". Hollywood would pay a fortune for someone to write a scrpt with that amount of drama.

Now a while back I had a chance to have a good look at a 250 (a car that Fangio had actually raced once by the way) how could you fail to be at least a little bit moved by sitting in and spannering a car driven by this guy trying to acheive what Sterling Moss (sorry, another old guy who you would'nt give house room to) called "ten tenths". He described this as "the fleeting moment acheived (if ever) when a car and driver are at their limit"

My point is that this (in modern terms) piece of junk has relevence. In retrospect it proved itself to be brilliant. Another car such the V16 BRM (you should hear this car, believe me you would re-evaluate the word "awesome" when talking about the very muted noise a car such as the 360 makes) proved itself to be so unreliable it was worthless, it could never finish a race.

Do you think that the 360 will stand the test of time? I have to say that I'm not so sure. But, of course, you don't care do you. You will be slagging it off as soon as they give it a new set of headlights, up the BHP and call it a modificata anyway. I can see you know extoling it's vitues on PH and telling everyone how "the original car just don't cut it anymore guys"

I'm not against modern cars, Ferrari or otherwise. I've driven enough 550s to say that I love them dearly. And what must an Enzo be like? It can't be anything but truly superb.

You must open your eyes, ears, and heart to all that is great.

Trust me. Your life will be more fullfilling if your'e not worried about what someone will say if they see you wearing last years jeans!

And that comment about older Ferraris being cheaper. The fellas and me in the shop fell about when we read this.

I had the great privelige of looking around a famous rock stars garage last year which had a slice of his collection.

This is a small selection.

Maserati type 60 Birdcage (another special Masser) Type 61 Birdcage (another one) a race prepped Mac F1 a few Le Mans Porches..... oh and I nearly forgot, his pride and joy......... a 250 GTO. (this is a Ferrari by the way).

The value of the dobbin alone is many millions. What the rest is worth, I couldn't even begin to figure it out.

I was hoping that your nickname was because you ride a Kawasaki (I do, a 900 Ninja) but it's clear from the talk about Dojo's, Disco's, Doso's or Madam Jo Jo's' or whatever it was would indicate that you sadly do not.

Try it (if you can stand being a bit uncomfortable or a bit chilliy) it might just help you get a bit of what the Italians call "Mechanica Simpatica" all PHers should have a little in their soul.

MANU

I was going to ask where you got the "Comfy, reliable and easy to drive" quote from

This is a strap line from a VW golf ad is'nt it? (another brilliant car by the way and I'm NOT joking)

The last word goes to Clarkson who voted the new Lambo Murkylarger with one star against the
Poonani Zonda which got five in the SundayTimes last week. The reason?








TOO EASY TO DRIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


456mgt

2,491 posts

238 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Jeeeesus- I'm beginning to lose the will to live reading all this patronising crap. It simply isn't worth pointing out all the inconsistencies. And I don't like the thread title either

radial valve

26 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Patronising?

Crap?

Inconsistencies?

Will to live?

PS What's a thread title? If it's what I think it is I prefer Sylco Dark Navy for my stitching.

maranellouk

2,066 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd October 2002
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Am I right in saying you were at Nick Mason's garage?

Dazren

22,612 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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A while ago I watched an interview with Di Montezemolo (Sp?), he was asked which is his favourite ferrari. His reply was "always the one we are currently working on".

Not surpisingly Ferrari is in the business of improving their cars over time. This will mean if you buy a newer model you're getting a better engineered car.

DAZ

PS - whatever points certain posters may be trying to score on this board, I can say that I have met both Ninja and 456mgt at the recent VW meet. They are very much petrol heads of the highest order both in their knowledge of cars and their generosity in giving many passenger rides to fellow PHers.

456mgt

2,491 posts

238 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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Patronising?

Crap?

Inconsistencies?


PS What's a thread title? If it's what I think it is I prefer Sylco Dark Navy for my stitching.


Yep that's you buddy, to which you can add smartarse. And I think I will bother 'coz that is in fact the whole point of your posts. You previously tried to pick an argument with the TVR boys and they just agreed with you so that wasn't much fun was it? I've decided to have some fun with you, but I'll leave it 'til Friday so I can enjoy it.

granville

18,764 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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Goodness me!!!!!!!!

I was looking forward to puting "Ninja" straight on a few points he made in reply to my posting. I've been away for a few days and I come back to see that "Castex" has peeed on my my bonfire a bit by making a few points himself that I agree with. But heres my two-pennorth anyway.

So Ninge you are of the "unless-it's-new-on-the-street-it's-not-worth-damn" school of blind consumers and gods gift to ad men are you? Mmmmmmnn.

Maserati once had a car called a 250F It was many years back so you would'nt know about it. It was so advanced in it's day, every other manufacturer had a job keeping up. It also helped having a very talented driver called Fangio behind the wheel as well mind you. You should read the story of his most famous grand prix race at the "ring". Hollywood would pay a fortune for someone to write a scrpt with that amount of drama.

Now a while back I had a chance to have a good look at a 250 (a car that Fangio had actually raced once by the way) how could you fail to be at least a little bit moved by sitting in and spannering a car driven by this guy trying to acheive what Sterling Moss (sorry, another old guy who you would'nt give house room to) called "ten tenths". He described this as "the fleeting moment acheived (if ever) when a car and driver are at their limit"

My point is that this (in modern terms) piece of junk has relevence. In retrospect it proved itself to be brilliant. Another car such the V16 BRM (you should hear this car, believe me you would re-evaluate the word "awesome" when talking about the very muted noise a car such as the 360 makes) proved itself to be so unreliable it was worthless, it could never finish a race.

Do you think that the 360 will stand the test of time? I have to say that I'm not so sure. But, of course, you don't care do you. You will be slagging it off as soon as they give it a new set of headlights, up the BHP and call it a modificata anyway. I can see you know extoling it's vitues on PH and telling everyone how "the original car just don't cut it anymore guys"

I'm not against modern cars, Ferrari or otherwise. I've driven enough 550s to say that I love them dearly. And what must an Enzo be like? It can't be anything but truly superb.

You must open your eyes, ears, and heart to all that is great.

Trust me. Your life will be more fullfilling if your'e not worried about what someone will say if they see you wearing last years jeans!

And that comment about older Ferraris being cheaper. The fellas and me in the shop fell about when we read this.

I had the great privelige of looking around a famous rock stars garage last year which had a slice of his collection.

This is a small selection.

Maserati type 60 Birdcage (another special Masser) Type 61 Birdcage (another one) a race prepped Mac F1 a few Le Mans Porches..... oh and I nearly forgot, his pride and joy......... a 250 GTO. (this is a Ferrari by the way).

The value of the dobbin alone is many millions. What the rest is worth, I couldn't even begin to figure it out.

I was hoping that your nickname was because you ride a Kawasaki (I do, a 900 Ninja) but it's clear from the talk about Dojo's, Disco's, Doso's or Madam Jo Jo's' or whatever it was would indicate that you sadly do not.

Try it (if you can stand being a bit uncomfortable or a bit chilliy) it might just help you get a bit of what the Italians call "Mechanica Simpatica" all PHers should have a little in their soul.
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Forgive me but is this a wind up?

Surely nobody is really so dreadfully naff as this by means of such a depressingly poor attempt at the most ham fisted, blundering, accussative one upmanship it has been my displeasure to witness since alighting upon this most pleasant of forums?

Pitiful stuff.




castex

4,701 posts

245 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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I thought it was fun.
I liked Ninja's reply to me, too!
Why are people getting cross??

kevinday

9,200 posts

252 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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Well said Castex, everybody calm down a bit. Ferraris of each era are some of the most wonderful cars around. I have been priveliged in the fact that I have been able to drive a number of Ferraris some years ago (including a 250GTO, coupe not flat-deck). My favourite is a 275GTB/4. I will never be able to afford one of the more worthwhile (to me) models because the running costs are frightening and I only have a moderate income. I prefer the 355 to the 360 but of the V8 series I would have a 288GTO from choice.

For 12 cylinders I would go more modern and have a 456 or 550, although the early boxers do appeal.

Each to his own I say, there is no need to slag off any model as they are (nearly) all great cars.

marki

15,763 posts

242 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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A while ago I watched an interview with Di Montezemolo (Sp?), he was asked which is his favourite ferrari. His reply was "always the one we are currently working on".




Hi Dazz , i think he nicked this line from Enzo himself ,, i am sure i read it years ago but then its all in the familly after all so i spose its ok

granville

18,764 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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I thought it was fun.
I liked Ninja's reply to me, too!
Why are people getting cross??



Because we live in country with a speed limit set by the driver of a Ford Anglia; a person of such asexual proclivity that their only passion in life arose from the restriction of others' freedoms and what better expression of that particular concept than the car?

So let us snub it out!

No really, if you care to roll with a fois de confrontation then by all means, let's party but I do prefer the mutual respect which generally characterises this place; people like Kevin, Ninja, Manu & Co will exchange pleasantries with you all day long precisely because they are such motorheads; anything that unjustly belittles them or any other worthy Pher, IMHO, is fair game for a spot of embellism inductive spleen venting.

Which can be fun too.

ninja_eli

1,524 posts

239 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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Goodness me!!!!!!!!

I was looking forward to puting "Ninja" straight on a few points he made in reply to my posting. I've been away for a few days and I come back to see that "Castex" has peeed on my my bonfire a bit by making a few points himself that I agree with. But heres my two-pennorth anyway.



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So Ninge you are of the "unless-it's-new-on-the-street-it's-not-worth-damn" school of blind consumers and gods gift to ad men are you? Mmmmmmnn.



No. Simply not ignorant of the fact that the newer Ferrari's are more liveable with than the older ones. I won't use the word better as thats very subjective.
Personally there's a lot of new things that I don't like, but thats irrelevant anyhow, we were talking about Ferraris. And pussies and arses.

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Maserati once had a car called a 250F It was many years back so you would'nt know about it. It was so advanced in it's day, every other manufacturer had a job keeping up. It also helped having a very talented .... blah blah blah

Do you think that the 360 will stand the test of time? I have to say that I'm not so sure. But, of course, you don't care do you. You will be slagging it off as soon as they give it a new set of headlights, up the BHP and call it a modificata anyway. I can see you know extoling it's vitues on PH and telling everyone how "the original car just don't cut it anymore guys"



No. I will simply and intelligently compare the new model to the older one and make a note of which is better. If the newer one is overall better, then I would say so. Simple. i.e. IMO 355 sounds better than 360, but 360 dynamically (among other things) is better.


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I'm not against modern cars, Ferrari or otherwise. I've driven enough 550s to say that I love them dearly. And what must an Enzo be like? It can't be anything but truly superb.



Shouldn't make assumptions, it might be shit to drive; unless you drive it yourself, you won't know.

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You must open your eyes, ears, and heart to all that is great.

Trust me. Your life will be more fullfilling if your'e not worried about what someone will say if they see you wearing last years jeans!



err, thanks dad? Very philosophical, mind if I borrow that line when I make a movie? Could start a new line of modern Chinese proverbs

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And that comment about older Ferraris being cheaper. The fellas and me in the shop fell about when we read this.

I had the great privelige of looking around a famous rock stars garage last year which had a slice of his collection.

This is a small selection.

Maserati type 60 Birdcage (another special Masser) Type 61 Birdcage (another one) a race prepped Mac F1 a few Le Mans Porches..... oh and I nearly forgot, his pride and joy......... a 250 GTO. (this is a Ferrari by the way).

The value of the dobbin alone is many millions. What the rest is worth, I couldn't even begin to figure it out.



err, I asked you why you were so in love with the older cars and not the new cars. Be it their cost, their inaccessibility, whatever. The car mentioned was cheaper than a 360, which is why I made reference to their cost. I know what some of the cars can cost, this was highlighted to me again by Maranello Sales who showed me somebody's lovely collection that is stored there. Is that really the level you are talking about? If so its a bit of a stupid comparison isn't it? Are you really going to drive a classic Ferrari as hard or often as a 360? Would YOU rather buy a 250GTO rather than a 360? I didn't mean the statements regarding them being cheaper as derogatory so please don't take them that way.

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I was hoping that your nickname was because you ride a Kawasaki (I do, a 900 Ninja) but it's clear from the talk about Dojo's, Disco's, Doso's or Madam Jo Jo's' or whatever it was would indicate that you sadly do not.



It doesn't indicate anything of the sort. Are you suggesting that the two are mutually independent?

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Try it (if you can stand being a bit uncomfortable or a bit chilliy) it might just help you get a bit of what the Italians call "Mechanica Simpatica" all PHers should have a little in their soul.



No, you try to understand that you are wrong. Your comments, and ones that you advocated were such that you did not like new Ferrari's and that they are pointless in the face of the old ones. BOLLOCKS! they are more and more useable and a lot faster. "Better" as that is very subjective. For me they are "better" as I would not buy a car that is going to cause me endless grief. I want something that I can use. I use my car everyday if possible and enjoy every mile, of which there are a fair few. Are you really going to do that with a classic? I don't want to worry like a madman that something is going to go wrong. Some call those kind of problems character, I call them a weaknesses. At the end of the day its a car, and I want to use it as such. I have enough headache with other things (girlfriend? business?). Life is not limited to automobiles, you know. Unless that is you are occupied trying to run a classic Ferrari?

I absolutely love some of the older cars, especially some of the Ferrari's. As I said to Kevin and Manu before, my favourite looking Ferrari is the 288GTO, and I will add a 328 to my garage just because it looks similar to the 288. But it will not be my only Ferrari. Next on the list is a 360, as its a fantastic car. I also appreciate that Dom's Porsche 964RS is a wonderful car with bags of character and a lovely sound. I also appreciate that Dazren's 996TT will obliviate all our cars and then some, without the rawness or the sound of the RS. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

How did you come about using the internet BTW? I didn't know typewriters could do that? Ahhhh, the sheer weight of a proper typewriter, with all those lovely sticky buttons, that often but not always fire the hammers onto the paper......

Thanks Daz for the kind comments, as well as the ride and the battery!!! We all had a wind up before meeting but it was all for a laugh. I fear that radial valve is being serious. poor guy.

Radial valve what you are saying is utter bollocks and you should be ashamed of yourself, as well as a little embarrassed.

ajaym

188 posts

234 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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Radial Valve,

Both Ninja and 456mgt are in a position to comment on anything they pretty well damn like about Ferrari and Ferrari ownership becuase they currently own one or two (in 456mgt's case). And yes older Ferraris are cheaper- not classics but older models i.e 308 and 328s so you and your boys at your shop seem not to have got the point.

Do you have a Ferrari? I seem to remember you saying that you couldn't afford to own one. So here's a lesson. Owning Ferrari is about loving the car, the car becomes part of you, you put up with its bad points and and love it for its good points. Most importantly you have to be an enthusiast and drive the car like it was made to be driven, something both Ninja and 456mgt are DAMN good at. Todays Ferraris are a hell of a lot better than the older models - the 348 was an absolute pig of a car to drive but don't take my word for it ask any dealer. The 355 saw the start of somewhat of a return to form for Ferrari- a much better made car- better reliability which has been improved upon further with the 360. Remember a marque has to move forward, ever improving not harping back to the old days relying upon old outdated designs.

Both myself and Manu comment on Ferrari's because we deal with both the cars and the owners day in day out. We don't do it from a theoretical point of view or regurgitate what someone else says in a magazine. All the owners I have met are great guys who are passionate about the cars they drive none more so then Ninja and 456mgt.

>> Edited by ajaym on Thursday 3rd October 11:53

ninja_eli

1,524 posts

239 months

Thursday 3rd October 2002
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I thought it was fun.
I liked Ninja's reply to me, too!
Why are people getting cross??




Oh shit I was typing a response to radial valve and I press submit and wow there have been so many posts already in the time I was typing!!!

Castex, I think of PH as a place to visit to relax and get away from work for a few minutes everyday. Its sort of like having a chat with your friends. Its fun and I don't mind a wind up at all. But I think radial valve has lost the plot a little (sorry Matt plotloss). I do hope he's joking though. I don't think anyones getting upset, I'm certainly not. And I also hope that I haven't offended anyone. How's the butt?

Can I just add I also love Derestrictors posts.

Kevin's idea regarding "masonic arse shakes" for PHers isn't a bad idea. Might have to get a tattoo with your screenname on your arse though.