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Woza

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Saturday 28th December 2019
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Anyone know what the differences are with exhausts on v10 vs the plus?

I note some cars have an exhaust button on steering wheel but standard cars don’t? However most mention having a sports exhaust fitted!?

Edited by Woza on Saturday 28th December 22:35

RSbandit

919 posts

81 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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jakesmith said:
One big turnoff with the Macs is a turbo engine and no manual option. These are unavoidable barriers for some

They are also Different ball game in running costs, you’re comparing an Audi that is a few short years old, an established and reputable manufacturer with franchised garages and Indi specialists all over the place, with a new manufacturer’s low volume £200k supercar that is much older, has a distinct lack of specialist garages / pattern part availability, and it seems, questions about reliability, build quality, high part prices etc.

Run an R8 that new you’d be unlikely to spend even £2k a year on it. Unlikely many would say the same for a 12C, most on here say warranty is essential, that’s £4K a year plus servicing / wear parts on top.

Not having a pop, I’d like to own one and probably will soon especially as they are much more affordable and discreet than the Italian efforts but they are a very different ownership proposition to an R8
I believe the new R8 came out in late 2015 so same time as the 570s, also the new R8 is stronic only no manual option available. Think the noise 'issue' with the 570S is overdone the car sounds plenty fruity when you ring it out although not as good as a naturally aspirated V10 of course. Warranty on a sports series is £2900 last time I checked which was recently. By comparison the V12 Vantage warranty came in a shade over £2k when I extended it last yr however I was comfortable not renewing it earlier this yr, the prev gen V10 plus Audi extended warranty was £1600 back in 2017 which I didn't take up at the time. I'm sure the Gen 2 extended warranty is probably edging up towards 2k now but not sure what common faults the Gen 2 has that are covered by warranty? The Mclaren warranty is pretty comprehensive...if you want to run any of the above cars with a dealer warranty there isn't a huge amount in it but of course you'd probably be more comfortable running the Aston or R8 without one as was the case with myself once I was happy the car was sound during first yr of ownership...as regards the sports exhaust I believe on the plus it comes as standard where as on the regular V10 it was an option. I'll see how a yr of Mclaren ownership treats me and if it does prove to be challenging I might well go back to a newer V10 plus...at mid 70s like the silver car in question it's alot of bang for buck.

jakesmith

5,874 posts

120 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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RSbandit said:
I believe the new R8 came out in late 2015 so same time as the 570s, also the new R8 is stronic only no manual option available. Think the noise 'issue' with the 570S is overdone the car sounds plenty fruity when you ring it out although not as good as a naturally aspirated V10 of course. Warranty on a sports series is £2900 last time I checked which was recently. By comparison the V12 Vantage warranty came in a shade over £2k when I extended it last yr however I was comfortable not renewing it earlier this yr, the prev gen V10 plus Audi extended warranty was £1600 back in 2017 which I didn't take up at the time. I'm sure the Gen 2 extended warranty is probably edging up towards 2k now but not sure what common faults the Gen 2 has that are covered by warranty? The Mclaren warranty is pretty comprehensive...if you want to run any of the above cars with a dealer warranty there isn't a huge amount in it but of course you'd probably be more comfortable running the Aston or R8 without one as was the case with myself once I was happy the car was sound during first yr of ownership...as regards the sports exhaust I believe on the plus it comes as standard where as on the regular V10 it was an option. I'll see how a yr of Mclaren ownership treats me and if it does prove to be challenging I might well go back to a newer V10 plus...at mid 70s like the silver car in question it's alot of bang for buck.
fk me those 570's have dropped a bit haven't they!!! How low will they go. Thought you were talking about a 10 year old 12C at that price.
Mind you a decent 570S is still £90k and you can buy a Gen 1 R8 V10 for half that and not need a warranty

RSbandit

919 posts

81 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Yes the 570S has dropped quite a bit which made it more palatable to step into one for me, I included at least one yr of extended warranty in my man math calculations. I think for a Gen 1 V10 you're prob looking at a fairly high mileage almost 10 yr old car if your budget is 45k...running without warranty there could be a risk of some big bills.

jakesmith

5,874 posts

120 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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RSbandit said:
Yes the 570S has dropped quite a bit which made it more palatable to step into one for me, I included at least one yr of extended warranty in my man math calculations. I think for a Gen 1 V10 you're prob looking at a fairly high mileage almost 10 yr old car if your budget is 45k...running without warranty there could be a risk of some big bills.
Yes you’re not wrong but you’ve saved £45k and they’re solid with a great record behind them, plenty of garages able to work on them and Audi cooperative with non franchises dealers for diagnostics, support etc. Parts available anywhere.

You’d never even approach break even on the outlay of a 570s unless you needed your engine and gearbox rebuilt twice.

Audi are fantastic to deal with out of warranty, they gave me a 70% goodwill contribution for a brand new bonnet this year as mine had some very mild bubbling. My dad got a new engine free of any charge on his 59 plate Audi last year.

Try that with McLaren. All makes running the car a lot easier on the pocket.


LAM80W

743 posts

141 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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LindsayMac said:
I am also on the hunt for something and the V10 plus has crossed my mind. How can you tell easily if the car is fitted with the optional Magnaride.

I liked the look of this one, anybody know decent knowledgeable vehicle inspector in London. Been looking for a 458 but gettiing one in the right spec, colour and mileage is proving hard. This could keep me amused for a while.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
If the vehicle has the ‘sports plus package’ it will have magnetic ride, sports exhaust and dynamic steering.

Gameface

11,008 posts

26 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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RSbandit said:
Gameface said:
Poster asks about an Audi. Mclaren owner starts talking about McLarens. FFS.
Well they arent too far away in cash terms and mid engined so not too dissimilar a product, I had a prev Gen V10 plus which was a great car...anyway not sure why you seem so irked take a chill pill dude.
Don't take it personally beer My post, despite appearances, wasn't directed at you per se.

It was more a comment about certain special McLaren owners on here.

Other (normal and decent) McLaren owners, br_d in this case, understood where I was coming from.

Woza

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1,251 posts

185 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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LAM80W said:
LindsayMac said:
I am also on the hunt for something and the V10 plus has crossed my mind. How can you tell easily if the car is fitted with the optional Magnaride.

I liked the look of this one, anybody know decent knowledgeable vehicle inspector in London. Been looking for a 458 but gettiing one in the right spec, colour and mileage is proving hard. This could keep me amused for a while.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
If the vehicle has the ‘sports plus package’ it will have magnetic ride, sports exhaust and dynamic steering.
So bringing it back on topic and away from Mclarens! Does this pack add the exhaust button? And assume that just opens the valves?

LindsayMac

543 posts

151 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Yes I know all this, what I am asking is how can you visually tell. You could have the sport plus package or as some did individually spec parts of the package and leave out the dynamo steering for instance. What I want to know is how can I tell from dash/buttons etc if magnetic ride is specced. This was not standard on the V10 plus as many people think. I have an option list for 2016 cars so it is clear on the official brochure what is standard and what is optional.

Lindsay~Mac

LAM80W said:
If the vehicle has the ‘sports plus package’ it will have magnetic ride, sports exhaust and dynamic steering.

jakesmith

5,874 posts

120 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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LindsayMac said:
Yes I know all this
Calm down love

LAM80W

743 posts

141 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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jakesmith said:
Calm down love
Hahaha

PompeyReece

706 posts

38 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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LindsayMac said:
Yes I know all this, what I am asking is how can you visually tell.

Lindsay~Mac
If you look back at the previous posts on this thread, Trev has already answered this.

LindsayMac

543 posts

151 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Apologies Trev I missed this post, thanks for your help.


Trev450 said:
If it has magride there will be a switch by the gear selector with a picture of a damper on it.

Trev450

5,850 posts

121 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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LindsayMac said:
Apologies Trev I missed this post, thanks for your help.


Trev450 said:
If it has magride there will be a switch by the gear selector with a picture of a damper on it.
Happy to help.

Raven Flyer

1,540 posts

173 months

Monday 30th December 2019
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Woza said:
ninepoint2 said:
PSB1 said:
Make sure you look carefully into the reputation of the dealer.
+1, look very carefully.

https://www.am-online.com/independents/news/2019/1...
Yikes! They were ‘interesting’ on the phone but that takes the piss a little!!
I live near this company and know people who have worked for them. They have a very mixed reputation.



Palmball

1,177 posts

123 months

Tuesday 31st December 2019
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Trev450 said:
LindsayMac said:
Apologies Trev I missed this post, thanks for your help.


Trev450 said:
If it has magride there will be a switch by the gear selector with a picture of a damper on it.
Happy to help.
This isn't the case on the Gen 2 R8's - there are no physical buttons to select suspension settings outside of the Dynamic Select button (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) on the steering wheel.

The actual way to tell if the Gen 2 has any of the Sport Pack options (Sports Exhaust, Dynamic Steering or Magnetic Ride) is to push the Dynamic Select button on the steering wheel until you get to 'Individual' (ignition or engine needs to be on). Then push the '+' button on the steering wheel which then gives you a menu to set your 'Individual' settings. Here you will see up to five different options: Drivetrain, Suspension, Steering, Exhaust and Quattro. Drivetrain and Quattro settings are always present but you will only see the options to change Suspension, Dynamic Steering or Exhaust if the car has those options. If any of those options are not there then it hasn't got the option. A bit of a faff, but it's the only real way to tell from a standstill.

I've had 5 of these Gen 2 R8's, and probably about to get my 6th after a stint in, funnily enough, a couple of McLarens (570S and 720S).

I've had so many because they're fantastic cars; I don't think there's a much better all rounder and they punch well above their price point.

Remember they are all but identical to the Huracan under the skin, with the differences mainly being software and aesthetic. Here's the rub; the R8's software, seats, driving position, technology and refinement are all better than the twice-the-price Huracan; IMO, it's the better road car with only brand / image being the relative negative, if that's important to you.

I've been to the factory in Germany where they make both R8 and Huracan (a personal tour which Audi cheekily charge €250 for) and have seen the under-the-skin similarities with my own eyes; it really makes a mockery of the Huracan's relative price. It is however one of the best factory tours I've had, you get to walk through and see the whole process end to end.

A few pointers to watch out for on R8's which you my find useful;
  • Very early Gen 2 R8's, like the 2015 version from Saxton in this advert, suffer from very poor programming of the magnetic ride at speeds below 10mph. It's effectively like there's no damping so if you go over a speed bump, it boings down the road for a few moments after. It feels like it's broken but that's actually just how they are and above 10mph, it drives perfectly fine. Audi fixed the issue from approximately April 2016 build onwards, so only a few months after release of the car, so you really want a 16 plate car or later to avoid this nasty trait. Even then a 16 plate could have this issue depending on build date so it's worth a test drive....go over a speed bumps and you'll spot it immediately. 67 plate cars almost guaranteed to be fine.
  • Bucket seats as fitted to this Saxton car are not very comfortable; their comfort is more akin to the nasty chairs fitted to a Huracan so definitely try before you buy. It's no accident that whilst these 'upgraded' bucket seats are fitted as standard to the Plus (IIRC, they're a £2k+ option on the non-Plus), most people 'downgraded' their Plus to the standard electric 'sport' seats.
  • Sports exhaust is mandatory, and not many aftermarket exhausts can beat the standard system for aural 'quality' (although plenty go louder). The good news is that I doubt you'll ever find an R8 V10 Plus without the Sport exhaust option fitted.
  • I'm going to be controversial and say that, having owned these R8's with and without Dynamic Steering, I also think this option is mandatory. The press typically deride this option but I think they're wrong; neither option has any real 'feel' like you'd get in a McLaren for instance, but the Dynamic Steering at least gives the R8 a responsive and pointy front end. Without this option, I found the steering had a notable delay, and was generally a bit slow.




Edited by Palmball on Tuesday 31st December 23:29

LindsayMac

543 posts

151 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Thank you, clearly you know what you are talking about. I appreciate you feedback and comments.

Lindsaymac



Palmball said:
This isn't the case on the Gen 2 R8's - there are no physical buttons to select suspension settings outside of the Dynamic Select button (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) on the steering wheel.

The actual way to tell if the Gen 2 has any of the Sport Pack options (Sports Exhaust, Dynamic Steering or Magnetic Ride) is to push the Dynamic Select button on the steering wheel until you get to 'Individual' (ignition or engine needs to be on). Then push the '+' button on the steering wheel which then gives you a menu to set your 'Individual' settings. Here you will see up to five different options: Drivetrain, Suspension, Steering, Exhaust and Quattro. Drivetrain and Quattro settings are always present but you will only see the options to change Suspension, Dynamic Steering or Exhaust if the car has those options. If any of those options are not there then it hasn't got the option. A bit of a faff, but it's the only real way to tell from a standstill.

I've had 5 of these Gen 2 R8's, and probably about to get my 6th after a stint in, funnily enough, a couple of McLarens (570S and 720S).

I've had so many because they're fantastic cars; I don't think there's a much better all rounder and they punch well above their price point.

Remember they are all but identical to the Huracan under the skin, with the differences mainly being software and aesthetic. Here's the rub; the R8's software, seats, driving position, technology and refinement are all better than the twice-the-price Huracan; IMO, it's the better road car with only brand / image being the relative negative, if that's important to you.

I've been to the factory in Germany where they make both R8 and Huracan (a personal tour which Audi cheekily charge €250 for) and have seen the under-the-skin similarities with my own eyes; it really makes a mockery of the Huracan's relative price. It is however one of the best factory tours I've had, you get to walk through and see the whole process end to end.

A few pointers to watch out for on R8's which you my find useful;
  • Very early Gen 2 R8's, like the 2015 version from Saxton in this advert, suffer from very poor programming of the magnetic ride at speeds below 10mph. It's effectively like there's no damping so if you go over a speed bump, it boings down the road for a few moments after. It feels like it's broken but that's actually just how they are and above 10mph, it drives perfectly fine. Audi fixed the issue from approximately April 2016 build onwards, so only a few months after release of the car, so you really want a 16 plate car or later to avoid this nasty trait. Even then a 16 plate could have this issue depending on build date so it's worth a test drive....go over a speed bumps and you'll spot it immediately. 67 plate cars almost guaranteed to be fine.
  • Bucket seats as fitted to this Saxton car are not very comfortable; their comfort is more akin to the nasty chairs fitted to a Huracan so definitely try before you buy. It's no accident that whilst these 'upgraded' bucket seats are fitted as standard to the Plus (IIRC, they're a £2k+ option on the non-Plus), most people 'downgraded' their Plus to the standard electric 'sport' seats.
  • Sports exhaust is mandatory, and not many aftermarket exhausts can beat the standard system for aural 'quality' (although plenty go louder). The good news is that I doubt you'll ever find an R8 V10 Plus without the Sport exhaust option fitted.
  • I'm going to be controversial and say that, having owned these R8's with and without Dynamic Steering, I also think this option is mandatory. The press typically deride this option but I think they're wrong; neither option has any real 'feel' like you'd get in a McLaren for instance, but the Dynamic Steering at least gives the R8 a responsive and pointy front end. Without this option, I found the steering had a notable delay, and was generally a bit slow.




Edited by Palmball on Tuesday 31st December 23:29

Woza

Original Poster:

1,251 posts

185 months

Wednesday 1st January
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+1

Thank you for comprehensive review.

LindsayMac said:
Thank you, clearly you know what you are talking about. I appreciate you feedback and comments.

Lindsaymac



Palmball said:
This isn't the case on the Gen 2 R8's - there are no physical buttons to select suspension settings outside of the Dynamic Select button (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) on the steering wheel.

The actual way to tell if the Gen 2 has any of the Sport Pack options (Sports Exhaust, Dynamic Steering or Magnetic Ride) is to push the Dynamic Select button on the steering wheel until you get to 'Individual' (ignition or engine needs to be on). Then push the '+' button on the steering wheel which then gives you a menu to set your 'Individual' settings. Here you will see up to five different options: Drivetrain, Suspension, Steering, Exhaust and Quattro. Drivetrain and Quattro settings are always present but you will only see the options to change Suspension, Dynamic Steering or Exhaust if the car has those options. If any of those options are not there then it hasn't got the option. A bit of a faff, but it's the only real way to tell from a standstill.

I've had 5 of these Gen 2 R8's, and probably about to get my 6th after a stint in, funnily enough, a couple of McLarens (570S and 720S).

I've had so many because they're fantastic cars; I don't think there's a much better all rounder and they punch well above their price point.

Remember they are all but identical to the Huracan under the skin, with the differences mainly being software and aesthetic. Here's the rub; the R8's software, seats, driving position, technology and refinement are all better than the twice-the-price Huracan; IMO, it's the better road car with only brand / image being the relative negative, if that's important to you.

I've been to the factory in Germany where they make both R8 and Huracan (a personal tour which Audi cheekily charge €250 for) and have seen the under-the-skin similarities with my own eyes; it really makes a mockery of the Huracan's relative price. It is however one of the best factory tours I've had, you get to walk through and see the whole process end to end.

A few pointers to watch out for on R8's which you my find useful;
  • Very early Gen 2 R8's, like the 2015 version from Saxton in this advert, suffer from very poor programming of the magnetic ride at speeds below 10mph. It's effectively like there's no damping so if you go over a speed bump, it boings down the road for a few moments after. It feels like it's broken but that's actually just how they are and above 10mph, it drives perfectly fine. Audi fixed the issue from approximately April 2016 build onwards, so only a few months after release of the car, so you really want a 16 plate car or later to avoid this nasty trait. Even then a 16 plate could have this issue depending on build date so it's worth a test drive....go over a speed bumps and you'll spot it immediately. 67 plate cars almost guaranteed to be fine.
  • Bucket seats as fitted to this Saxton car are not very comfortable; their comfort is more akin to the nasty chairs fitted to a Huracan so definitely try before you buy. It's no accident that whilst these 'upgraded' bucket seats are fitted as standard to the Plus (IIRC, they're a £2k+ option on the non-Plus), most people 'downgraded' their Plus to the standard electric 'sport' seats.
  • Sports exhaust is mandatory, and not many aftermarket exhausts can beat the standard system for aural 'quality' (although plenty go louder). The good news is that I doubt you'll ever find an R8 V10 Plus without the Sport exhaust option fitted.
  • I'm going to be controversial and say that, having owned these R8's with and without Dynamic Steering, I also think this option is mandatory. The press typically deride this option but I think they're wrong; neither option has any real 'feel' like you'd get in a McLaren for instance, but the Dynamic Steering at least gives the R8 a responsive and pointy front end. Without this option, I found the steering had a notable delay, and was generally a bit slow.




Edited by Palmball on Tuesday 31st December 23:29

Drl22

203 posts

14 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Palmball said:
This isn't the case on the Gen 2 R8's - there are no physical buttons to select suspension settings outside of the Dynamic Select button (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) on the steering wheel.

The actual way to tell if the Gen 2 has any of the Sport Pack options (Sports Exhaust, Dynamic Steering or Magnetic Ride) is to push the Dynamic Select button on the steering wheel until you get to 'Individual' (ignition or engine needs to be on). Then push the '+' button on the steering wheel which then gives you a menu to set your 'Individual' settings. Here you will see up to five different options: Drivetrain, Suspension, Steering, Exhaust and Quattro. Drivetrain and Quattro settings are always present but you will only see the options to change Suspension, Dynamic Steering or Exhaust if the car has those options. If any of those options are not there then it hasn't got the option. A bit of a faff, but it's the only real way to tell from a standstill.

I've had 5 of these Gen 2 R8's, and probably about to get my 6th after a stint in, funnily enough, a couple of McLarens (570S and 720S).

I've had so many because they're fantastic cars; I don't think there's a much better all rounder and they punch well above their price point.

Remember they are all but identical to the Huracan under the skin, with the differences mainly being software and aesthetic. Here's the rub; the R8's software, seats, driving position, technology and refinement are all better than the twice-the-price Huracan; IMO, it's the better road car with only brand / image being the relative negative, if that's important to you.

I've been to the factory in Germany where they make both R8 and Huracan (a personal tour which Audi cheekily charge €250 for) and have seen the under-the-skin similarities with my own eyes; it really makes a mockery of the Huracan's relative price. It is however one of the best factory tours I've had, you get to walk through and see the whole process end to end.

A few pointers to watch out for on R8's which you my find useful;
  • Very early Gen 2 R8's, like the 2015 version from Saxton in this advert, suffer from very poor programming of the magnetic ride at speeds below 10mph. It's effectively like there's no damping so if you go over a speed bump, it boings down the road for a few moments after. It feels like it's broken but that's actually just how they are and above 10mph, it drives perfectly fine. Audi fixed the issue from approximately April 2016 build onwards, so only a few months after release of the car, so you really want a 16 plate car or later to avoid this nasty trait. Even then a 16 plate could have this issue depending on build date so it's worth a test drive....go over a speed bumps and you'll spot it immediately. 67 plate cars almost guaranteed to be fine.
  • Bucket seats as fitted to this Saxton car are not very comfortable; their comfort is more akin to the nasty chairs fitted to a Huracan so definitely try before you buy. It's no accident that whilst these 'upgraded' bucket seats are fitted as standard to the Plus (IIRC, they're a £2k+ option on the non-Plus), most people 'downgraded' their Plus to the standard electric 'sport' seats.
  • Sports exhaust is mandatory, and not many aftermarket exhausts can beat the standard system for aural 'quality' (although plenty go louder). The good news is that I doubt you'll ever find an R8 V10 Plus without the Sport exhaust option fitted.
  • I'm going to be controversial and say that, having owned these R8's with and without Dynamic Steering, I also think this option is mandatory. The press typically deride this option but I think they're wrong; neither option has any real 'feel' like you'd get in a McLaren for instance, but the Dynamic Steering at least gives the R8 a responsive and pointy front end. Without this option, I found the steering had a notable delay, and was generally a bit slow.




Edited by Palmball on Tuesday 31st December 23:29
I’m not sure how you can claim it’s better than the Huracan because you had a look around them. How many miles have you done in huracan?

Trev450

5,850 posts

121 months

Wednesday 1st January
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Palmball said:
Trev450 said:
LindsayMac said:
Apologies Trev I missed this post, thanks for your help.


Trev450 said:
If it has magride there will be a switch by the gear selector with a picture of a damper on it.
Happy to help.
This isn't the case on the Gen 2 R8's - there are no physical buttons to select suspension settings outside of the Dynamic Select button (Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) on the steering wheel.
Thanks for correcting me, Palmball. I was obviously thinking of the Gen 1 when i replied.