Discussion
orbiter said:
Then on to the McLaren. That's been a bit of a dream car for me since it was launched. ………….. I've always loved the looks of the 675. …………. to me its just so much more special.
I'd go with your heart on this, and personally agree that the McLaren is the best of those 3 cars 
MDL111 said:
As values were mentioned above - one more addition - imo the RS will lose by far the most over the medium to long term. They built 1000s 991RSs and I just don’t see them as a long term value proposition. My expectation is that in 5 years they will be well below a 997 and a 996 RS.
A lot of the 991 3 RS value is hype atm imo (and even the 2 RS will imo trade well below the 997 version in the long term)
Hmm, hope your right.A lot of the 991 3 RS value is hype atm imo (and even the 2 RS will imo trade well below the 997 version in the long term)
Don't forget its one of the only cars right now that's trading above its list price.
cayman-black said:
MDL111 said:
As values were mentioned above - one more addition - imo the RS will lose by far the most over the medium to long term. They built 1000s 991RSs and I just don’t see them as a long term value proposition. My expectation is that in 5 years they will be well below a 997 and a 996 RS.
A lot of the 991 3 RS value is hype atm imo (and even the 2 RS will imo trade well below the 997 version in the long term)
Hmm, hope your right.A lot of the 991 3 RS value is hype atm imo (and even the 2 RS will imo trade well below the 997 version in the long term)
Don't forget its one of the only cars right now that's trading above its list price.
On the Porsches I just feel that as LHD cars become cheaper and cheaper (starting from a higher list so will take time), at some point the RHD values will just look out of sync and people will buy LHD (as happened with lots of cars over time in the past when sterling was stronger)
Of course if due to Brexit importing European cars incurs the same tariffs as US cars currently does, then values should be protected
Ultimately nobody knows and for once I am guilty of distracting from the actual point of which car is the best / so no more posts on value from me
Personally I would probably buy a Scuderia over all of the 3 due to the IMO much more engaging transmission (or buy a manual GT3/Touring/911R/997 RS or GT2)
Interesting, I wondered if anyone would make some alternative suggestions. I haven't seriously looked at a 458/488, and haven't driven one to compare. Not sure why but Ferrari just hasn't been on my radar since the days of the 355. I was browsing back through my Pinterest 'dream garage' last night, and there are hardly any Ferrari pictures. Few of the F40, but otherwise they don't really do anything for me. Maybe I should drive one and have a similar revelation to the Huracan
owned 675LT and part-ex for Perf. Perf is rawer than 675LT, handling is on par with 675LT. you can feel turbo lag in 675LT but the surge of the torque is very impressive. imho i think Perf's steering is similar to 675LT's if you do not tick LDS option. I absolutely hate LDS (some people like it just because N record car had LDS installed). changing gear in Corsa mode at 7000rpm in perf - one will never forget that sound. the only downside of Perf is the firm suspension even in Strada mode. so i really do not see the point of choosing 675LT vs Perf except 675LT is rarer (but do not forget, each 675LT is not numbered which is not that attractive to collectors.) also remember, what really matters is the production number VS number of potential buyers, i.e. production number in relative term. 458SP production number is actually quite high but more people want it so it trades at a significnat premium. I think from current level £200K for 675LT and £175K for Perf, depreciation should be very modest for both.
I also own 458 SP and 600LT. only Perf and 600LT make me feel special every time i sit in. for some reasons, 675LT and 458 SP just make me feel sitting in a normal sport car. I think you should try 600LT. It geniunely surprised me on the upside. I am not loyal to any brand, only buy what i think fits me best. I read lots of negative comments about Macs and I decided to have some fun with 600LT as the price was so good. My expectation was not very high and I planned to drive for several months and then move on but now i am very likely to keep it. It is such an impressive car. turbo lag on 600LT is not that obvious and handling is marginally better than 675LT although understeering sometimes is more obvious. I like the surge of torque during the acceleration and I think 600LT is more aggressive than 675LT in this front. 600LT also sounds better than 675LT does but of course cannot compare against Perf. I think if you really want to go for Macs, maybe consider 600LT. But I would ultimately recommend Perf.
Drive all of them, choose the one that makes you feel special. I think this is very important if you want to buy a super car. Otherwise Nissian GTR Or M4 CS will be equally competent.
I also own 458 SP and 600LT. only Perf and 600LT make me feel special every time i sit in. for some reasons, 675LT and 458 SP just make me feel sitting in a normal sport car. I think you should try 600LT. It geniunely surprised me on the upside. I am not loyal to any brand, only buy what i think fits me best. I read lots of negative comments about Macs and I decided to have some fun with 600LT as the price was so good. My expectation was not very high and I planned to drive for several months and then move on but now i am very likely to keep it. It is such an impressive car. turbo lag on 600LT is not that obvious and handling is marginally better than 675LT although understeering sometimes is more obvious. I like the surge of torque during the acceleration and I think 600LT is more aggressive than 675LT in this front. 600LT also sounds better than 675LT does but of course cannot compare against Perf. I think if you really want to go for Macs, maybe consider 600LT. But I would ultimately recommend Perf.
Drive all of them, choose the one that makes you feel special. I think this is very important if you want to buy a super car. Otherwise Nissian GTR Or M4 CS will be equally competent.
LotusJas said:
Interesting post, and thanks for sharing your views on those cars.
I'm curious about your view of the outward vision in the Performante. I hated that aspect above all, and it put me off the car, despite its awesome engine note.
I think these cars do not have significant difference in outward vision except Perf’s A pillar (especially upper bit) is indeed blocking some outward vision. Perf’s side mirror is huge so rearward visibility actually is not that bad. Also you can use rear mirror to see through the rear windows as the engine bay does not block too much view. In reality, you need to get used to the Perf’s A pillar. It does not bother me on the left side (assuming right hand driving) but on the right side, you need to be extra careful. 600LT outward vision is worse than 675LT as it sits lower and the front window is smaller with steeper slope. I seldom drive 458 SP (so sad as the dealer said to me when I did the service that your mileage is a bit high!! 2500 miles on the meter! They were shocked when I dropped the car myself to do the service as people tend to use trailers to keep mileage low) but I think 458 SP has the best outward vision as its A pillar is slim. I'm curious about your view of the outward vision in the Performante. I hated that aspect above all, and it put me off the car, despite its awesome engine note.
(But I strongly recommend not to buy a 458 SP if you want to enjoy the car - it is a fantastic all round super car but sadly people are so sensitive to its mileage. I am not rich enough to ignore the residual value so it is a garage queen for me. )
430SD_LP640 said:
I think these cars do not have significant difference in outward vision except Perf’s A pillar (especially upper bit) is indeed blocking some outward vision.
(But I strongly recommend not to buy a 458 SP if you want to enjoy the car - it is a fantastic all round super car but sadly people are so sensitive to its mileage. I am not rich enough to ignore the residual value so it is a garage queen for me. )
With the Performante, it was that plus the lack of reference points at the front i.e. no Becker points etc. When I drove one in Sevenoaks, I was extremely concerned by kerbs in the narrow streets.(But I strongly recommend not to buy a 458 SP if you want to enjoy the car - it is a fantastic all round super car but sadly people are so sensitive to its mileage. I am not rich enough to ignore the residual value so it is a garage queen for me. )
Agree that there is no point in having a nice car (458 Speciale) if someone can't drive and enjoy it.
LotusJas said:
Agree that there is no point in having a nice car (458 Speciale) if someone can't drive and enjoy it.
For some just to own the car is enough, perhaps a drive now and then . Also, some have other cars and less time.I do see both points of view though, even though last year i did less than 200 miles in my Aston but i still love the fact that it's in my garage.
I was able to drive a 675 and a Perf yesterday, as close to back to back as I'm likely to manage. After driving the 675 I was pretty much certain that I was decided, but then when I got back in the Perf and I heard that engine I came over all undecided again.
I think I am narrowing in on a decision though, I personally found the drive in the 675 more engaging. The Perf is a weapon, and at this time of year the 675 likely wouldn't see where it went as the 4WD means you can use more of the performance more of the time, but for me, I think I want to be slightly more involved. The other thing that might be the decider is that even though this isn't the first time I've driven one this time I just couldn't get on with the seats in the Perf. These were the comfort seats but I found that they pinched my hips in much the same way as the 918 seats in the RS.
Will see what a few more sleeps has me thinking.
One more question. Anyone know how many Perf were built? I know there are more than 10K Huracans, but what about the Perf specifically?
Thanks.
I think I am narrowing in on a decision though, I personally found the drive in the 675 more engaging. The Perf is a weapon, and at this time of year the 675 likely wouldn't see where it went as the 4WD means you can use more of the performance more of the time, but for me, I think I want to be slightly more involved. The other thing that might be the decider is that even though this isn't the first time I've driven one this time I just couldn't get on with the seats in the Perf. These were the comfort seats but I found that they pinched my hips in much the same way as the 918 seats in the RS.
Will see what a few more sleeps has me thinking.
One more question. Anyone know how many Perf were built? I know there are more than 10K Huracans, but what about the Perf specifically?
Thanks.
orbiter said:
Anyone know how many Perf were built? I know there are more than 10K Huracans, but what about the Perf specifically
This is hard information to find out, and I don’t know the global figures, but I was told by a couple of dealers that there are around 200 coupes and 100 spiders in the UK.Ballistic said:
This is hard information to find out, and I don’t know the global figures, but I was told by a couple of dealers that there are around 200 coupes and 100 spiders in the UK.
I attended the preview event in Beverly Hills and during the preview we were told 1500 coupes/spyders were going to be built. The spyder is the rarest and also the 2019 coupes, not too many were built. orbiter said:
That’s the sort of numbers I was expecting but then saw there were at least 325 coupe/spider in the UK which seemed a high percentage.
That was based on howmanyleft.co.uk.
I'm thinking production numbers are close to 2,000 worldwide. That was based on howmanyleft.co.uk.
The UK/EU did get more HP's than North America. One big reason was MY19 cars bound for North America got delayed for months due to emission delays with the EPA so Lamborghini had to shift MY19 slots to the UK/EU.
orbiter said:
I was able to drive a 675 and a Perf yesterday, as close to back to back as I'm likely to manage.
Good effort! How did you manage that??Currently facing a similar dilemma, with the added problem of not having driven either (and not sure where I'd be able to frankly). I've driven all the other Macs, and 458, but not 675LT or Perf.
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