Collecting Cars auction results

Collecting Cars auction results

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Matty3

753 posts

46 months

Friday 13th November 2020
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Zippy would be ok by me if it assisted in getting my car up to reserve - all auction houses do it.

Real advantage of CC in my book is that you keep the car under your own lock and key , - no Coys effect here thanks.

And payment is direct to you from buyer.

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Edited by Matty3 on Friday 13th November 20:57

themarket

7 posts

49 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Matty3 said:
Zippy would be ok by me if it assisted in getting my car up to reserve - all auction houses do it.
Err, no they don't! ;-)

Matty3

753 posts

46 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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themarket said:
Matty3 said:
Zippy would be ok by me if it assisted in getting my car up to reserve - all auction houses do it.
Err, no they don't! ;-)
Ok, correction substitute 'many,' for 'all' smile

spikeyhead

12,178 posts

159 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Matty3 said:
themarket said:
Matty3 said:
Zippy would be ok by me if it assisted in getting my car up to reserve - all auction houses do it.
Err, no they don't! ;-)
Ok, correction substitute 'many,' for 'all' smile
Indeed, I've yet to be at an auction, online or real life where the fire extinguishers and light fittings weren't involved in the early stages of bidding.

foxsasha

1,337 posts

97 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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911Thrasher said:
Compulsive bidder,...

Zippy is now bidding on all of these at the moment: the white Testarossa, silver DB7, black Mercedes e220d, blue m4, silver Lotus Elan, black 991 turbo, black 968cs, black RS6, black Cayenne, black TVR, Land Rover Series IIA, silver 570S, burgundy Continental R, black 575, red 308, silver 840ci, red Esprit turbo, ...

He loves everything and must have deep pockets and a huge warehouse to park all this should he win.
Or he’s a trader bidding on lots of vehicles in the hope of picking up one bargain out of the twenty lots he’s involved in. To do that he needs to bid on lots of cars. Doesn’t need to be suspicious or underhand.

cayman-black

9,992 posts

178 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Zippy , an absolute legend on Pistonheads.

themarket

7 posts

49 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Matty3 said:
Err are you the market website that allowed the yellow Elise to go through and deleted the alarm posts ????
Yep, that's us, though let us be transparent (as that seems to be a trait which is lost or undervalued in online auctions apparently).

The car you refer to is https://themarket.co.uk/listings/lotus/elise-s1/9e...

We always described it as having damage and photographed it for all to see.

We never delete comments, although we do allow owners to flag comments (which temporarily stops them being visible) if they feel something is stated that is inaccurate or unfair to their vehicle. We can reinstate those comments (and often do) but in this particular case a couple of comments were made which did overreach from fact into speculation hence they were not reinstated. However, as you can see other comments were left that were also derogatory toward this particular car.

We had several people inspect the car prior to auction close that did not concur with the comments that we chose not to reinstate and the value it reached was fair taking all of the above into account.

No chandelier bidding, no false results (we publish all, good or bad) and no side deals. But most of all we are happy to be criticised, take on the feedback and work out how we can be better...

GT4RS

2,681 posts

159 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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themarket said:
Matty3 said:
Err are you the market website that allowed the yellow Elise to go through and deleted the alarm posts ????
Yep, that's us, though let us be transparent (as that seems to be a trait which is lost or undervalued in online auctions apparently).

The car you refer to is https://themarket.co.uk/listings/lotus/elise-s1/9e...

We always described it as having damage and photographed it for all to see.

We never delete comments, although we do allow owners to flag comments (which temporarily stops them being visible) if they feel something is stated that is inaccurate or unfair to their vehicle. We can reinstate those comments (and often do) but in this particular case a couple of comments were made which did overreach from fact into speculation hence they were not reinstated. However, as you can see other comments were left that were also derogatory toward this particular car.

We had several people inspect the car prior to auction close that did not concur with the comments that we chose not to reinstate and the value it reached was fair taking all of the above into account.

No chandelier bidding, no false results (we publish all, good or bad) and no side deals. But most of all we are happy to be criticised, take on the feedback and work out how we can be better...
You wouldn’t get CC coming on here and saying that!

Stryke

607 posts

124 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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themarket said:
No chandelier bidding, no false results (we publish all, good or bad) and no side deals. But most of all we are happy to be criticised, take on the feedback and work out how we can be better...
Not quite. There are auctions that you conveniently remove. One example the Lotus Esprit JPS
https://themarket.co.uk/listings/lotus/esprit-john...

Wonder why?

As you came here talking about honesty and transparency would welcome your comments. And that’s one auction, can list others!!

themarket

7 posts

49 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Stryke said:
Not quite. There are auctions that you conveniently remove. One example the Lotus Esprit JPS
https://themarket.co.uk/listings/lotus/esprit-john...

Wonder why?

As you came here talking about honesty and transparency would welcome your comments. And that’s one auction, can list others!!
Happy to oblige. The JPS auction was won by somebody in Asia who after paying his deposit is uncertain about completing the sale (nothing to do with the vehicle itself). Whilst we try and resolve the situation we have hidden the listing as we wouldn't want to claim that something had sold that perhaps hasn't...

SFTWend

272 posts

37 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Personally I think the level of transparency offered by The Market is exceptional and they should be applauded for it.

For a buyer they stand head and shoulders above any other UK platform and I hope they prosper.

kevinon

237 posts

22 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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SFTWend said:
Personally I think the level of transparency offered by The Market is exceptional and they should be applauded for it.

For a buyer they stand head and shoulders above any other UK platform and I hope they prosper.
This. When it's just pixels on a screen, trust matters.

Gareth220

118 posts

44 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Just found this thread on CC after having an ‘interesting’ dealing with them this week. Bought a car on Monday evening and immediately made contact with the seller. At this point it got weird, in that the seller wanted me to deal with the CC office as he wasn’t UK based. A day later it transpired the car wasn’t UK registered, couldn’t be MOT’d despite being told it would be before sale completed, and whilst apparently in the UK hadn’t officially been notified as such. On raising my concern with these issues with CC they without delay returned my auction fee, and whilst I offered to continue to buy the car on different terms all went totally radio silent from both CC and seller for several days. When they finally replied it is to say they have sold the car to someone else.

So dodgy history, dodgy description, honest mistake, CC trying to do the right thing, they got more for the car elsewhere or something else I just don’t know but hasn’t been a great experience. CC were much more directly involved in this sale than I expect, the seller handing everything to them to deal with.

I will probably look to use more conventional sources to buy a car in the future.

Shame as on the face of it some nice cars on CC.

ferdi p

1,479 posts

134 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Gareth220 said:
Just found this thread on CC after having an ‘interesting’ dealing with them this week. Bought a car on Monday evening and immediately made contact with the seller. At this point it got weird, in that the seller wanted me to deal with the CC office as he wasn’t UK based. A day later it transpired the car wasn’t UK registered, couldn’t be MOT’d despite being told it would be before sale completed, and whilst apparently in the UK hadn’t officially been notified as such. On raising my concern with these issues with CC they without delay returned my auction fee, and whilst I offered to continue to buy the car on different terms all went totally radio silent from both CC and seller for several days. When they finally replied it is to say they have sold the car to someone else.

So dodgy history, dodgy description, honest mistake, CC trying to do the right thing, they got more for the car elsewhere or something else I just don’t know but hasn’t been a great experience. CC were much more directly involved in this sale than I expect, the seller handing everything to them to deal with.

I will probably look to use more conventional sources to buy a car in the future.

Shame as on the face of it some nice cars on CC.
Crikey, that's terrible!!

Wilmslowboy

3,087 posts

168 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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I guess this is one of the risks for CC not charging the seller, the potential to get dicked about. Without some listing charge it's difficult to go to the expense of validating all of the sellers claims.

Appears CC did the right thing by retuning your fee 'without delay'.






Gareth220 said:
Just found this thread on CC after having an ‘interesting’ dealing with them this week. Bought a car on Monday evening and immediately made contact with the seller. At this point it got weird, in that the seller wanted me to deal with the CC office as he wasn’t UK based. A day later it transpired the car wasn’t UK registered, couldn’t be MOT’d despite being told it would be before sale completed, and whilst apparently in the UK hadn’t officially been notified as such. On raising my concern with these issues with CC they without delay returned my auction fee, and whilst I offered to continue to buy the car on different terms all went totally radio silent from both CC and seller for several days. When they finally replied it is to say they have sold the car to someone else.

So dodgy history, dodgy description, honest mistake, CC trying to do the right thing, they got more for the car elsewhere or something else I just don’t know but hasn’t been a great experience. CC were much more directly involved in this sale than I expect, the seller handing everything to them to deal with.

I will probably look to use more conventional sources to buy a car in the future.

Shame as on the face of it some nice cars on CC.

SFTWend

272 posts

37 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Surely CC would have discovered the car was not UK registered when they attempted to perform the HPI check?

robsco

6,978 posts

138 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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I must admit, I won’t be using CC again after selling an Elan Plus 2 with them recently. I will point out from the outset, they didn’t do anything especially wrong; but for anyone who markets a car with them, I’d just advise caution. CC want to sell your car - but they do not care about getting the best possible price for you, the vendor.

Yes they deal in enthusiast cars, but I am not sure the place is truly run by enthusiasts (shameless Chris Harris plugs don’t convince me otherwise). And yes, you may argue that the higher the selling price, the higher the fees so of course it is in their interest to maximise the selling price - but this was not the impression I got from selling with them.

It is difficult not to get caught up in the whirlwind when the car has been online a week and is coming to the end. “Lower the reserve”. “We advise you remove the reserve to ensure the car sells”. “This is all the car is worth”. “Don’t miss out.” Unfortunately I was too easily influenced and got lost in the romance of an imaginary “bidding flurry” at the end. My car had a few issues, but in the end it was still grossly undersold and I still kick myself now, a few months on.

So, to those using CC. Don’t lose sight of your car’s worth. Set yourself a bottom value and don’t allow yourself to be drawn into lowering it. If it doesn’t make reserve, take stock before you make any rash decisions and don’t succumb to the pressures of a ticking clock, or by CC staff pushing you otherwise.

One more point, a small one but one I think is noteworthy. During the final hours of the auction I had a flurry of messages from one of their representatives, understandable. When the auction finished I never heard another word from CC.





spikeyhead

12,178 posts

159 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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SFTWend said:
Surely CC would have discovered the car was not UK registered when they attempted to perform the HPI check?
that's the bit that should have made it obvious to them that there was an issue which they should have dealt with.

Bo_apex

1,309 posts

180 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Meanwhile there was plenty of solid action at Silverstone even Michael Winner's car sold biggrin

https://silverstoneauctions.com/events/2020-auctio...

Drclarke

1,075 posts

135 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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After the initial flurry of publicity, Chris Harris seems to have distanced himself from the company. After reading some of the comments of those, perhaps he saw the writing on the wall and made a wise choice!
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