Collecting Cars auction results

[Drclarke]

DeuceDeuce said:

The fee is capped at £6k.

Oh bargain!

[21ATS]

Double gauche said:

I get the beauty of a gated Manual. But the 575 is a GT car. Doesn’t an f1auto suit it better ?

Have you ever driven one?

When they are moving particularly hard, then yes, the F1 is just fine and probably faster than you could change gear yourself.

But it's not a car I'd track and in any other aspect of life the gearbox is clunky and slow and tempermental. It doesn't like going into reverse and then there's the beeping, oh the beeping.

The biggest problem is you compare it to modern autos, you just can't help it. Both the cars I currently own are Auto. My Audi is DSG and the Mercedes is a traditional tourqe converter. Both are so much better then the early F1 box it's difficult to over look.

So as I have two auto I think for something special I'd like a manual.

Edited by 21ATS on Friday 17th April 19:40

[MDL111]

I have the single clutch in the Scuderia and find it much more entertaining than the DCT in the FF. I would prefer a manual over both, but if it has to be paddles then single clutch is much more engaging imo.
I prefer a 550 to a 575 looks wise (exterior and in particular the interior), so even if both were manual I”d get the 550. While I have not driven a Barchetta, that is the car I really want to own (and I don’t even like convertibles).

[carspath]

Yes , for paddles , I prefer the Gen 1 E-Gear over the latest PDK .

At high revs , the E Gear is just more engaging .

( In town the PDK has its advantages - it is smoother , more cossetting ,and simply demands less from you )

[MDL111]

carspath said:

Yes , for paddles , I prefer the Gen 1 E-Gear over the latest PDK .

At high revs , the E Gear is just more engaging .

( In town the PDK has its advantages - it is smoother , more cossetting ,and simply demands less from you )

The less demanding aspect is my issue with it, changing gears in the FF is extremely boring, can even shift mid corner without issues. I exclusively drive the car in manual mode, but that aspect of the car still does not really give any satisfaction (it makes up for it in various other ways, but if I could convert it to manual for an affordable amount of money, I most likely would). My main issue with the single clutch is the cost to replace the clutch of c 6k euros, which I will eventually need to do and you can’t really do all that much to baby it - at least not when stuck in traffic or having to reverse up an incline etc

[Cheib]

21ATS said:

Some big stuff starting to roll out now. Some sellers must be liking the prices they are seeing achieved. Be interesting to see how this unfolds over the next month or so.

812 Superfast - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-ferrari-8...

Ford GT - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-ford-gt

Those two will get a lot of attention....£6k fee suddenly doesn’t sound too high. 812 Superfast in particular as there are a lot around and seen a lot of the specialist brokers/dealers advertising cars “priced to sell”

[AndrewD]

That Ford GT has been unsold on Ed’s international collectibles website for ages. So I guess they are trying his CC site now. These are great cars, miss mine.

[21ATS]

MDL111 said:

I have the single clutch in the Scuderia and find it much more entertaining than the DCT in the FF. I would prefer a manual over both, but if it has to be paddles then single clutch is much more engaging imo.
I prefer a 550 to a 575 looks wise (exterior and in particular the interior), so even if both were manual I”d get the 550. While I have not driven a Barchetta, that is the car I really want to own (and I don’t even like convertibles).

I must say there is a massive difference between early 575 F1's and it's final itteration in the HGTC pack cars. There were a number of ECU updates over 4-5 years that dramatically reduced the shift time of this tranmission to a degree that it feels like a completely different gearbox.

I drove a 2002 car and 2004 car back to back and the difference was like night and day. This was really the infancy of F1 box technology and the progression was quite fast in a short time.

I have a breakdown on when these changes on a word document, it's denoted by assembly number for the vehicle run as opposed to date of registration (which can often be misleading if the car sat a while before being registered).

The same applies to the steering and suspension ECU's also - to a degree where a 2004 car with an updated ECU and no Fiorano pack handles as well if not better than an early which has the FHP.

[CC Car Mad]

known transmission problems etc .

Do you have any evidence other than early non-T ?

[/quote]
Only what I have learned from various threads, it seems the later cars have the same issues, I would want a proper warranty if I were to buy one, for sure.
I also would not want to be trying to sell one at the moment, early car or late car.
Its going to be interesting watching things.
Mike

Not sure about transmission issues but that car was covered by Ferrari warranty and service plan regardless so no issues in that respect

[Juno]

Cheib said:

21ATS said:

Some big stuff starting to roll out now. Some sellers must be liking the prices they are seeing achieved. Be interesting to see how this unfolds over the next month or so.

812 Superfast - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-ferrari-8...

Ford GT - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-ford-gt

Those two will get a lot of attention....£6k fee suddenly doesn’t sound too high. 812 Superfast in particular as there are a lot around and seen a lot of the specialist brokers/dealers advertising cars “priced to sell”

Will be interesting to see the 812 price, don’t know the spec or miles yet but think it would need to be £225k ish to make it any sort of bargain unless it’s a 2020 car with no miles

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th April 15:04

[f1ten]

They seem to be on a bit of a roll at the moment but like others have said I prefer the back up if a dealer snd a showroom if your buying something over 30k.lrt alibe a newish super car.

[Cheib]

Juno said:

Cheib said:

21ATS said:

Some big stuff starting to roll out now. Some sellers must be liking the prices they are seeing achieved. Be interesting to see how this unfolds over the next month or so.

812 Superfast - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-ferrari-8...

Ford GT - https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-ford-gt

Those two will get a lot of attention....£6k fee suddenly doesn’t sound too high. 812 Superfast in particular as there are a lot around and seen a lot of the specialist brokers/dealers advertising cars “priced to sell”

Will be interesting to see the 812 price, don’t know the spec or miles yet but think it would need to be £225k ish to make it any sort of bargain unless it’s a 2020 car with no miles

Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th April 15:04

Tom Hartley just sold a delivery mileage 2020 car for which he listed a few days ago for £250k

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

A month ago DK listed this 2018 at £245k....to quote them “at a price to be bought blind”...not sold yet.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

£225k in context of current market would be a good result as I am guessing that’s probably what TH paid for the 2020 car.

[footsoldier]

Pretty sure it’s a well specced 2019 car with 8k miles.

[AndrewD]

footsoldier said:

Pretty sure it’s a well specced 2019 car with 8k miles.

Quite high miles vs loads of dealer cars advertised and not moving around mid 240

[DeuceDeuce]

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
10,800 miles - 2013
SOLD @ £131,500 (plus £6,000 buyer fee)

[Cheib]

DeuceDeuce said:

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta
10,800 miles - 2013
SOLD @ £131,500 (plus £6,000 buyer fee)

That looks cheap doesn’t it ? Don’t know enough about specs TBH.

[PrancingHorses]

I would not buy a car from here for the reason in the attached pic. They are just an auction site not car dealer. It’s like buying from any auction or private seller - you don’t know whats lurking underneath the cars they sell. You have no comeback. They also don't arrange finance etc just so that there is no comeback.

They are going well riding on the names of Edward Lovett and Chris Harris but I don’t think it will be long before we begin to hear horror stories of purchases. They don’t inspect any car before selling them!

The F12 looks damn cheap I hope the seller managed an inspection though but it seems highly unlikely given the current circumstances!

[Calculator]

Be interesting if they could arrange an independent inspection on cars, with the findings added to the listing. That would at least provide some differentiation to AT or eBay.

[21ATS]

PrancingHorses said:

I would not buy a car from here for the reason in the attached pic. They are just an auction site not car dealer. It’s like buying from any auction or private seller - you don’t know whats lurking underneath the cars they sell. You have no comeback. They also don't arrange finance etc just so that there is no comeback.

They are going well riding on the names of Edward Lovett and Chris Harris but I don’t think it will be long before we begin to hear horror stories of purchases. They don’t inspect any car before selling them!

The F12 looks damn cheap I hope the seller managed an inspection though but it seems highly unlikely given the current circumstances!

I touched on this earlier in this thread ( I think it was this thread).

At least some trade is selling on this site and it seems to be increasing whilst we're in lockdown. KHPC (The Ferrari Centre) certainly are - Seller "Roger C". There are some classics listed on there no all photographed in the same street under the account "HC" based in North London - Hexagon Classics?

I don't see this as a traditional auction sale - sure the format of the bidding process is an auction, but the "auction house" are not taking part in any of the transaction other than hosting and taking a fee for hosting a hefty 6% as already discussed. Not that different from eBay's business model.

As far as I understand it the contract is between the buyer and seller directly- if you choose to buy from a private seller (it's clearly displayed on the listing) then it's no different to finding a private add through eBay and bidding on it (but with a fee).

However if the seller is trade you're buying from a dealer and all the legal status that entails.

I'd be comfortable buying a Ferrari from "Roger C" on this site as I'd actually be buying from Kent High Performance Cars - a trade dealer specialising in Ferraris which would come with all the ramifications and backup of buying from a dealer.

I wouldn't buy a Ferrari on here from a private seller though unless the price is so cheap it's a no brainer.

Anyone else see it different to this?

Edited by 21ATS on Monday 20th April 21:46

[PrancingHorses]

They need to make it clearer if the car is being sold on behalf of a dealer or a private sale in that case.

I would contact the dealer directly and buy direct if I could have sussed this out the way you did lol

Why wait for a bidding war in an auction

Edited by PrancingHorses on Monday 20th April 21:55