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ettore

3,083 posts

215 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT4RS said:
MDMA . said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
What's happened to the orange RS?
Didn't meet reserve.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2006-porsche-9...
Do you know what the bidding stopped at?
Yeah exactly, not much point in the site's transparency if it goes unwritten.
Not if it’s unsold.

Pommy

11,392 posts

179 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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tight fart said:
I see they have an F40 engine coming up for sale, should we put that in the kit car page?
This is Eurospares so interesting to see what happens


GT4RS

2,688 posts

160 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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ettore said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT4RS said:
MDMA . said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
What's happened to the orange RS?
Didn't meet reserve.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2006-porsche-9...
Do you know what the bidding stopped at?
Yeah exactly, not much point in the site's transparency if it goes unwritten.
Not if it’s unsold.
Last bid I saw was 74k, that was a few hours before close. Would of thought it would of got bid higher than that even if it was left hand drive.

I remember seeing a lhd about a year ago for 89k in the uk but not seen one much lower at retail.


urquattroGus

1,430 posts

153 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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I might be wrong but I used to find Eurospares were at OEM + pricing a lot of the time when I was hunting for Maserati parts.

Not that it applies to a F40 engine.


SRBA

111 posts

58 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Definitely some shady tactics going on. I knew the reserve price for the scud that was recently sold, as soon as the reserve price was reached, the advert changed to ‘no reserve’

Algarve

2,046 posts

44 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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SRBA said:
Definitely some shady tactics going on. I knew the reserve price for the scud that was recently sold, as soon as the reserve price was reached, the advert changed to ‘no reserve’
Its just semantics really. "reserve met" might have been more appropriate, but either way everyone looking at the auction knows its going to sell at this point.

Cheib

20,055 posts

138 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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GT4RS said:
ettore said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
GT4RS said:
MDMA . said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
What's happened to the orange RS?
Didn't meet reserve.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2006-porsche-9...
Do you know what the bidding stopped at?
Yeah exactly, not much point in the site's transparency if it goes unwritten.
Not if it’s unsold.
Last bid I saw was 74k, that was a few hours before close. Would of thought it would of got bid higher than that even if it was left hand drive.

I remember seeing a lhd about a year ago for 89k in the uk but not seen one much lower at retail.
This is where Bring a Trailer is brilliant....all auctions are on there. It’s really useful info. There’s was classic that I was looking at on BaT...beginning of last year bid to $390k no sale, end o last year bid to $260k no sale, recently bid to $265k with no reserve and sold. Massive error turning down the $390k !

blacksun80

34 posts

15 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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What are the experts here thinking about the F12Berlinetta on CC, currently on 95k£ with 4 hours to go?

Sounds like a bargain except it is LHD and imported from Dubai - but I can imagine someone who takes the risk might be able to drive this a year and then sell without big loss to mainland Europe?

In Germany ask for 2013 berlinetta with 30-40k miles are around 165-170k Euro = 150-155k £...

Let’s see how much it goes further up...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-ferrari-f...

ettore

3,083 posts

215 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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blacksun80 said:
What are the experts here thinking about the F12Berlinetta on CC, currently on 95k£ with 4 hours to go?

Sounds like a bargain except it is LHD and imported from Dubai - but I can imagine someone who takes the risk might be able to drive this a year and then sell without big loss to mainland Europe?

In Germany ask for 2013 berlinetta with 30-40k miles are around 165-170k Euro = 150-155k £...

Let’s see how much it goes further up...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2013-ferrari-f...
Looked good value to me (96.5k) - what was wrong?

h0b0

5,464 posts

159 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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ettore said:
Looked good value to me (96.5k) - what was wrong?
How do you verify the mileage?

blacksun80

34 posts

15 months

Saturday 27th June 2020
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ettore said:
Looked good value to me (96.5k) - what was wrong?

There is a thread in the Ferrari v12 forum - brake change at 10k miles and gearbox change at 14k miles indicates it might have been raced hard or abused on its first 10k miles in Dubai... nonetheless someone probably got a great deal...

mstrbkr

8,173 posts

161 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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The F12 is this morning no longer in the "sold" section of the website scratchchin

ferdi p

1,479 posts

135 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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mstrbkr said:
The F12 is this morning no longer in the "sold" section of the website scratchchin
The website crashed close to the auction ending! Maybe the seller found out & pulled out?

mstrbkr

8,173 posts

161 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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ferdi p said:
mstrbkr said:
The F12 is this morning no longer in the "sold" section of the website scratchchin
The website crashed close to the auction ending! Maybe the seller found out & pulled out?
Oh really?! That explains why the final bid was barely more than it had been for the few previous days. I did think that was quite odd.

HokumPokum

1,783 posts

168 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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i do think the website needs to explain discrepancies like that. Simply for transparency. otherwise it descends into another used car lot parallel and doesn't give potential bidders the confidence the site deserves.

It's situations like this that gives me the creeps and allows for the winners curse discussion.

why would you trust CC to be accurate and truthful about anything if they can't even explain or be upfront about sellers pulling out, or bidders not following through or any side deals. It's ok for them to make money if both parties decide a side deal but it should be disclosed. No one polices CC, not a regulator and CC chooses to disclose what it wants, hence unless cars are much cheaper than any dealer (which has a comeback), it MUST always be buyer beware.

h0b0

5,464 posts

159 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Now that the F12 has been taken down I will share my thoughts. All of this is based on theory and not any facts.

Super Cars from Dubai often have much higher mileage on them. It’s known you can bag a bargain as a result. The mileage of this one is not documented while it was out there. But, the brakes needed changing at a lot lower mileage than you would expect according to the dash. Where else is the mileage stored? Conveniently the other component that has been changed.......the transmission.

I suspect CC pulled the listing until evidence of low mileage can be produced. I’m not saying this car has been clocked. But, until some one shows me paper work it is looking and sounding like a duck to me.

blacksun80

34 posts

15 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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h0b0 said:
Now that the F12 has been taken down I will share my thoughts. All of this is based on theory and not any facts.

Super Cars from Dubai often have much higher mileage on them. It’s known you can bag a bargain as a result. The mileage of this one is not documented while it was out there. But, the brakes needed changing at a lot lower mileage than you would expect according to the dash. Where else is the mileage stored? Conveniently the other component that has been changed.......the transmission.

I suspect CC pulled the listing until evidence of low mileage can be produced. I’m not saying this car has been clocked. But, until some one shows me paper work it is looking and sounding like a duck to me.
I am not a Ferrari expert but there were also a few cracks in the seat leather - which might indicate either more usage, but I don’t know - perhaps the hot weather and sunshine in Dubai is harsher on leather as well...

But even if real miles were 20-30k at 97k would still be value for money...

blacksun80

34 posts

15 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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They posted this on Twitter:

“Last night, the Collecting Cars website suffered a system outage. To ensure a fair result for everyone, we have extended the bidding for Saturday's auctions to end on Sunday. Our team is working hard to prevent such problems in the future.”

blacksun80

34 posts

15 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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On the f12

“We have it in hand. As above we have buyers and sellers best interest at heart. We had to cancelled the auction due to the issues we experienced but didn’t have the ability to simply reset the clock due to only seconds to act.”

VonSenger

2,386 posts

152 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Like I said, I give it a few months at best. Ridiculous business idea that makes no sense. Who's stupid enough to front the cash for this experiment?
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