Ferrari 512BB sold on Collecting Cars

[DevonPaul]

DeejRC said:

Owners clubs are all the same.

At Silverstone Classic the Ferrari OC use pieces of rope to make sure all the cars are in a straight line.

There is a rumour that another Club of Italian car owners might have childishly kicked the rope into a large curve one year as the cars were arriving, resulting in a lot of red metal being moved a foot or so mid norming.

Paul

[MDL111]

MDL111 said:

rat rod said:

MDL111 said:

Saw a Koenig F48 this weekend - special looking things, was rhd too (which is unusual on the continent)

I quite like it ,a bit of a poor man's F40,Think you might get a mixed reaction at the Ferrari owners club though just like i did when i turned up in my track 308 GTB, a few bumps and bruises, back end covered in exhaust soot and oil and wheels covered in brake dust, didn't help as i parked it among the concourse 308's when nobody was looking, I was soon asked to move ,I think they wanted to put me behind a big oak tree that was nearby,funny don't have that trouble at Silverstone or any other track for that matter, horses for courses i suppose,See Simon Furlonger got a F48 for sale at just shy of £150K ,think i'd rather pay a little extra and have a Scud .

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 20th May 01:25

Mmhh yes, not an owners club type car - the few Ferrari events I attended the cars always seemed to be polished and mostly standard. I think Ferrari actually states in the docs that a modified car isn’t allowed to attend / go on track or similar (not sure how rigorously they enforce that one). I grew up in the 80s and remember seeing an Auto Motor und Sport with a Koenig F50 Turbo on the cover - the cars look very much like 80s excess, but even lovely for it imo - an acquired taste without a doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0JOzy2vwk

[996Type]

It must have been another thread but do you know where the 512 turned up as it was bought by a dealer?

It might be going full circle where they just become outrageously expensive again as opposed to lottery winner cars!

Reading the auction info, it mentions the late Chris Meek and his speed dash on the M1 which was photographed in the cabin and turned into a poster that’s still available (I’ve no link but I always enjoyed the story):

https://ndp-leeds.co.uk/vehicles

[rat rod]

996Type said:

It must have been another thread but do you know where the 512 turned up as it was bought by a dealer?

It might be going full circle where they just become outrageously expensive again as opposed to lottery winner cars!

Reading the auction info, it mentions the late Chris Meek and his speed dash on the M1 which was photographed in the cabin and turned into a poster that’s still available (I’ve no link but I always enjoyed the story):

https://ndp-leeds.co.uk/vehicles

I shall keep a look out for it, They could double there money if they are prepared to pay the waiting game ,Didn't realise this was the Boxer that Chris Meek drove on the M1 what a hero, should give the car even more kudos, Surprised Bells didn't buy it at that money unless they did?

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 20th May 21:28

[rat rod]

MDL111 said:

MDL111 said:

rat rod said:

MDL111 said:

Saw a Koenig F48 this weekend - special looking things, was rhd too (which is unusual on the continent)

I quite like it ,a bit of a poor man's F40,Think you might get a mixed reaction at the Ferrari owners club though just like i did when i turned up in my track 308 GTB, a few bumps and bruises, back end covered in exhaust soot and oil and wheels covered in brake dust, didn't help as i parked it among the concourse 308's when nobody was looking, I was soon asked to move ,I think they wanted to put me behind a big oak tree that was nearby,funny don't have that trouble at Silverstone or any other track for that matter, horses for courses i suppose,See Simon Furlonger got a F48 for sale at just shy of £150K ,think i'd rather pay a little extra and have a Scud .

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 20th May 01:25

Mmhh yes, not an owners club type car - the few Ferrari events I attended the cars always seemed to be polished and mostly standard. I think Ferrari actually states in the docs that a modified car isn’t allowed to attend / go on track or similar (not sure how rigorously they enforce that one). I grew up in the 80s and remember seeing an Auto Motor und Sport with a Koenig F50 Turbo on the cover - the cars look very much like 80s excess, but even lovely for it imo - an acquired taste without a doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0JOzy2vwk

Ye a different sort of Ferrari owner at their track days,less of the Champagna and Harrods hamper brigade, more into their lap times than polishing rags, couldn't make the youtube code work can it be linked as not to good on the pc,still using one finger,

[cgt2]

I also missed the fact it's the Chris Meek car. Surely that has to be one of the most famous BB's out there as a result?

This is a decent video though the chap seems to have a few gaps in his knowledge of spec and trim. The extended red Daytona trim on the headrests looks quite odd. I can't remember if the headlining material was like this originally, the tweed seems higher quality than I remember. Nice to see the original graphic equaliser in place to the left of the steering wheel which I always thought was a cool feature.

https://youtu.be/SCpyI6fFPKo

[jaisharma]

DeejRC said:

Owners clubs are all the same.

I think the 512BB is my favourite of the "What Deej turned down at silly money a few years ago" stories. £35k from KHPC in 2004.

I still can't believe I was that stupid. (I really really was)

If it is any consolation, you are not alone. In '99 when I bought my 328 I could have bought a boxer for more or less the same money. One of the main reasons I didn't was that the seats seemed to me to be fashioned for lardy people. Yes, I am an idiot.

I went on to greater levels of idiocy by not buying a Stratos for £45k in 2003 ish.

[CRA1G]

996Type said:

It must have been another thread but do you know where the 512 turned up as it was bought by a dealer?

It might be going full circle where they just become outrageously expensive again as opposed to lottery winner cars!

Reading the auction info, it mentions the late Chris Meek and his speed dash on the M1 which was photographed in the cabin and turned into a poster that’s still available (I’ve no link but I always enjoyed the story):

https://ndp-leeds.co.uk/vehicles

I had the pleasure of going in that 512 with Chris Meek iirc 1976 when he had just bought it,I still have to this day the huge sales brochure he gave me as with many other Ferrari brochures when he bought them new,My dad had an Art gallery and picture frame shop so we framed the original photo taken on the M1 at 5am and hung in Chris's favourite restaurant the Flying Pizza on street lane Leeds for years,a great character and driver....

[jtremlett]

cgt2 said:

I also missed the fact it's the Chris Meek car. Surely that has to be one of the most famous BB's out there as a result?...

It isn't the Chris Meek car. The text just mentioned it in passing.

[CRA1G]

II remember the Chris Meek car had "175 MPH" on when brand new because he had his more valuable "CM 1" on a Strawberries and Cream Citroen 2CV.. both plates still belong to the family....

[rat rod]

CRA1G said:

996Type said:

It must have been another thread but do you know where the 512 turned up as it was bought by a dealer?

It might be going full circle where they just become outrageously expensive again as opposed to lottery winner cars!

Reading the auction info, it mentions the late Chris Meek and his speed dash on the M1 which was photographed in the cabin and turned into a poster that’s still available (I’ve no link but I always enjoyed the story):

https://ndp-leeds.co.uk/vehicles

I had the pleasure of going in that 512 with Chris Meek iirc 1976 when he had just bought it,I still have to this day the huge sales brochure he gave me as with many other Ferrari brochures when he bought them new,My dad had an Art gallery and picture frame shop so we framed the original photo taken on the M1 at 5am and hung in Chris's favourite restaurant the Flying Pizza on street lane Leeds for years,a great character and driver....

I think Chris Meek has become a bit of a legend and you are a lucky man to have shared that experience with him,

[rat rod]

cgt2 said:

I also missed the fact it's the Chris Meek car. Surely that has to be one of the most famous BB's out there as a result?

This is a decent video though the chap seems to have a few gaps in his knowledge of spec and trim. The extended red Daytona trim on the headrests looks quite odd. I can't remember if the headlining material was like this originally, the tweed seems higher quality than I remember. Nice to see the original graphic equaliser in place to the left of the steering wheel which I always thought was a cool feature.

https://youtu.be/SCpyI6fFPKo

Great vid not many on Boxer's , thanks for posting, Like the quote ",it's quick but not fast and 6 to 7 tenths is enough regarding the handling, "takes a brave man to push a Boxer to it's limits,

Edited by rat rod on Thursday 21st May 01:25

[rat rod]

trowelhead said:

rat rod said:

trowelhead said:

Irrelevant post but

Couple of years ago

I was hammering up a dual carriageway (A34 near Wilmslow) in the dead of night

and had the joy of pulling up next to a black 512BB in the wild

It sounded like a spitfire and had flames coming out of the exhaust as it was on the overrun slowing down to a roundabout.

There was no other cars about and I managed to follow it for a couple of mins gawping

I didn’t even know these cars at the time but I’ve never seen or heard anything quite like it - I can’t imagine these are spotted on the roads often

Incredible cars I’ve not seen anything with that much special factor on the road

Done the same but a Jarama , never mind sports exhaust this one must have had straight pipes also had huge flames on down changes and overrun ,Quite spectacular especially as it was dusk,wish i had bought a dash cam , ended up on a due carriage way going the opposite way i should have been going and did around trip of 36 miles to get back to where i was,

Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 19th May 20:34

Sounds very cool, its a special experience seeing that - especially at dark / dusk - with the flames and noise - otherworldly haha

Coming across a car like a Boxer on the road during the day is a rare sight but to see one at night must have been a huge surprise as you closed in on it, add the fact it was black and spitting flames not to mention the crescendo of the popping and banging of the exhausts, something you don't forget, my bother thinks i'm sad but he plays golf for his excitement,

[456mgt]

Maybe the reason they're difficult to value is because they aren't very good, and the only reason to own one is the way it looks and because it's a Ferrari. I had a BB for a few years and in all that time had to invent reasons to use it. Even though the example was a really good one, it was still a blunt instrument and with all that weight high up, you were always super aware of the masses moving around mid corner and the risk of penduluming off the road. Engine slow to rev, not a nice gearbox either. Sold it a couple of years ago and haven't missed it for a second.

Ferrari of the 60s are wonderful, but I've come to the conclusion that the mid-70s to mid-80s period was a bit of a duff one for Ferrari. Not until the F40 and 355 did they work out how to make road cars again.

[johnnyreggae]

456mgt said:

I've come to the conclusion that the mid-70s to mid-80s period was a bit of a duff one for Ferrari. Not until the F40 and 355 did they work out how to make road cars again.

I'm not sure many could accept your view given the continuing success useability driveability and desirability of the 308

Edited by johnnyreggae on Thursday 21st May 08:10

[rat rod]

johnnyreggae said:

456mgt said:

I've come to the conclusion that the mid-70s to mid-80s period was a bit of a duff one for Ferrari. Not until the F40 and 355 did they work out how to make road cars again.

I'm not sure many could accept your view given the continuing success useability driveability and desirability of the 308

Edited by johnnyreggae on Thursday 21st May 08:10

I've never owned a Boxer but have driven a few owned by friends and felt the same but not enough time behind the wheel thought it was me.I sold a 308GTB to someone who had sold his Boxer to buy it as he wanted to do more track days and although the Boxer was ok on the road didn't feel safe on to push it on the track, I thought he was mad to go from a Boxer to a 308 GTB but perhaps he wasn't, Saw him a couple of times at Ferrari track days in the GTB then probably only after a year or so he turned up in his Testarossa ,maybe the GTB was to much of a transition from the Boxer , having owned a Testarossa although fine on the road i wouldn't thought it would be much better than the Boxer on the track ,Lot easier and cheaper to buy a Caterham which i did and found i then hardly used my track GTB on track days and drove it on the roads more,at least i could put the straight pipes back on as i didn't have to go through noise testing anymore and could swop them over if necessary. Seem to get better reception from most people looking like that than a standard GTB as it is covered in period stickers roll bar ect and looked like it just escaped from Brands Hatch,

[996Type]

rat rod said:

I shall keep a look out for it, They could double there money if they are prepared to pay the waiting game ,Didn't realise this was the Boxer that Chris Meek drove on the M1 what a hero, should give the car even more kudos, Surprised Bells didn't buy it at that money unless they did?

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 20th May 21:28

Sorry, to clarify, the auction blurb mentioned the type became famous through the Chris Meek episode, not that this was the car! Apologies if I wasn’t clear in first post.

[rat rod]

996Type said:

rat rod said:

I shall keep a look out for it, They could double there money if they are prepared to pay the waiting game ,Didn't realise this was the Boxer that Chris Meek drove on the M1 what a hero, should give the car even more kudos, Surprised Bells didn't buy it at that money unless they did?

Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 20th May 21:28

Sorry, to clarify, the auction blurb mentioned the type became famous through the Chris Meek episode, not that this was the car! Apologies if I wasn’t clear in first post.

Thanks for clearing that up,i did get a little confused,mind you that doesn't take much these days

[21ATS]

https://silverstoneauctions.com/events/2020-auctio...

[rat rod]

21ATS said:

https://silverstoneauctions.com/events/2020-auctio...

Realistic price,can or will they go down anymore,even bigger gap now between this and the Daytona, This will appeal to most Ferrari buyers more so than the Boxer LM and although in my opinion it's sensibly priced it's still some way from what that sold for,If you got the extra money and the LM is not for you this one is the better buy . That's what my sensible head says but my other head still loves the LM

Edited by rat rod on Monday 25th May 01:53