Everyday โ€˜Supercarโ€™

Everyday โ€˜Supercarโ€™

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Hedgeman

495 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th November
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MKnight702 said:
Hedgeman said:
But the more I read of this thread, the more convinced I am that for a great many people here, supercar is simply 90% brand and 10% a mix of other stuff. Which makes me question the real level of driving and automotive engineering enthusiasm of many.
You question the driving enthusiasm of the majority of people? Why, most people on the road haven’t a clue about driving and care even less, they see a car as a disposable white good.

This is why the emotional element of supercarness is important, the majority of people would recognise a Lamborghini or Ferrari and automatically associate it with something special, the fact that it isn’t necessarily as fast as a modern hot hatch wouldn’t register as they do not care about cars. You will see Dad in his new Zafailure point a 348 out to his kids, he probably wouldn’t even register that the Audi with the loud exhaust isn’t just a Barried TT since he sees Audis everywhere.
I question it because I would assert that real enthusiasts of a thing establish a hierarchy that classifies based on the merits of the thing itself, not how it is perceived by uninformed masses. Unless of course the most important thing to them is actually the opinion of the uninformed. And this thread, since it's on a car enthusiasts forum presumably has the opinions of car "enthusiasts", not "most people".

I love the comment "barried TT" though. It's these sorts of responses and the psychology behind them that make participating in threads like this worthwhile smile



PH User

20,571 posts

80 months

Thursday 11th November
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Hedgeman said:
MKnight702 said:
Hedgeman said:
But the more I read of this thread, the more convinced I am that for a great many people here, supercar is simply 90% brand and 10% a mix of other stuff. Which makes me question the real level of driving and automotive engineering enthusiasm of many.
You question the driving enthusiasm of the majority of people? Why, most people on the road haven’t a clue about driving and care even less, they see a car as a disposable white good.

This is why the emotional element of supercarness is important, the majority of people would recognise a Lamborghini or Ferrari and automatically associate it with something special, the fact that it isn’t necessarily as fast as a modern hot hatch wouldn’t register as they do not care about cars. You will see Dad in his new Zafailure point a 348 out to his kids, he probably wouldn’t even register that the Audi with the loud exhaust isn’t just a Barried TT since he sees Audis everywhere.
I question it because I would assert that real enthusiasts of a thing establish a hierarchy that classifies based on the merits of the thing itself, not how it is perceived by uninformed masses. Unless of course the most important thing to them is actually the opinion of the uninformed. And this thread, since it's on a car enthusiasts forum presumably has the opinions of car "enthusiasts", not "most people".

I love the comment "barried TT" though. It's these sorts of responses and the psychology behind them that make participating in threads like this worthwhile smile
I am very much a car/driving/petrol enthusiast, but I still don't view an R8 as being a supercar, make of that what you will.

Hedgeman

495 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th November
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PH User said:
I am very much a car/driving/petrol enthusiast, but I still don't view an R8 as being a supercar, make of that what you will.
Well I'm sure you are not alone in such self identification.

What do I make of it? With regard to the vehicle, it really depends what you do consider a supercar. It's the relative classification here and the reasons behind it that is interesting.

And as to driving, there's a bit of a spectrum here too. Are you Bealach na Ba, or more a King's Road type of wheelman? wink

PH User

20,571 posts

80 months

Thursday 11th November
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Hedgeman said:
PH User said:
I am very much a car/driving/petrol enthusiast, but I still don't view an R8 as being a supercar, make of that what you will.
Well I'm sure you are not alone in such self identification.

What do I make of it? With regard to the vehicle, it really depends what you do consider a supercar. It's the relative classification here and the reasons behind it that is interesting.

And as to driving, there's a bit of a spectrum here too. Are you Bealach na Ba, or more a King's Road type of wheelman? wink
I'm not here to give you a hard on from reading my views on what is or what isn't a supercar

laugh



popeyewhite

14,918 posts

92 months

Thursday 11th November
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Hedgeman said:
I love the comment "barried TT" though. It's these sorts of responses and the psychology behind them that make participating in threads like this worthwhile smile
I don't think you can know the psychology behind internet responses without talking to the poster in person, or it's just speculation.

Hedgeman

495 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th November
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popeyewhite said:
I don't think you can know the psychology behind internet responses without talking to the poster in person, or it's just speculation.
For any individual, yes, you are right of course you can't know the full picture. But it's still a data point, a facet, and after enough posts, themes start to emerge.

Hedgeman

495 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th November
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PH User said:
I'm not here to give you a hard on from reading my views on what is or what isn't a supercar

laugh
That's fine, no need, and no further info needed. I'd already given you the benefit of the doubt and marked you down (optimistically) as King's Road in a Mondial wink

PH User

20,571 posts

80 months

Thursday 11th November
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Hedgeman said:
PH User said:
I'm not here to give you a hard on from reading my views on what is or what isn't a supercar

laugh
That's fine, no need, and no further info needed. I'd already given you the benefit of the doubt and marked you down (optimistically) as King's Road in a Mondial wink
Well that's up to you if that's what you want to think.

DeejRC

2,928 posts

54 months

Friday 12th November
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Does it ever occur to some of you that you really are quite strange individuals?

jwdh1

130 posts

81 months

Friday 12th November
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DeejRC said:
Does it ever occur to some of you that you really are quite strange individuals?
agreed, reading through some threads recently is akin to reading Vogon poetry...

JuniorD

8,396 posts

195 months

Friday 12th November
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MKnight702 said:
You question the driving enthusiasm of the majority of people? Why, most people on the road haven’t a clue about driving and care even less, they see a car as a disposable white good.

This is why the emotional element of supercarness is important, the majority of people would recognise a Lamborghini or Ferrari and automatically associate it with something special, the fact that it isn’t necessarily as fast as a modern hot hatch wouldn’t register as they do not care about cars. You will see Dad in his new Zafailure point a 348 out to his kids, he probably wouldn’t even register that the Audi with the loud exhaust isn’t just a Barried TT since he sees Audis everywhere.
How would you know if the Dad with his kids in the “Zafailure” doesn’t have Ferrari at home, and he and the kids are supercar enthusiasts, but thinks R8s aren’t supercars so doesn’t bother pointing them out?

Basically none of us know Jack beyond our own shaded prejudices of what others think or don’t think.

Whether a high performer prestige car is a “supercar” or not is purely personal and no one else can change that perception.


Sm1987

Original Poster:

14 posts

13 months

Friday 12th November
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Hey guys,

OP here. I’ll probably go for a test drive in a F12 and see how easy it feels to be a daily driver vs my Aventador. I’ll then probably sell the 360 as I don’t think I’ll drive it all that much with a F12/Aventador around.

If the F12 isn’t really that much easier as a daily vs the Aventador, then I’ll probably get a McLaren 750s.

Will probably steer clear of the Porsches for now, not least because of the massive waiting lists on new ones and the premium on the used ones just now.

Cheers!

Ferruccio

1,677 posts

91 months

Friday 12th November
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JuniorD said:
Basically none of us know Jack beyond our own shaded prejudices of what others think or don’t think.
+1

As they say, judge not according to appearance.

My wife started having a nice chat over dinner with a lovely, more elderly lady at the Hampton Court concourse this year.

Turned out that the car she’d bought from the US, which she never mentioned, was absolutely stunning and won.

She also never mentioned that she and her husband have so many fabulous cars that they opened a museum for them.

Ferruccio

1,677 posts

91 months

Friday 12th November
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DeejRC said:
Does it ever occur to some of you that you really are quite strange individuals?
Absolutely - I’m sat here with my underpants on my head and two pencils stuck up my nose.

jwdh1

130 posts

81 months

Friday 12th November
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Ferruccio said:
DeejRC said:
Does it ever occur to some of you that you really are quite strange individuals?
Absolutely - I’m sat here with my underpants on my head and two pencils stuck up my nose.
wibble

PH User

20,571 posts

80 months

Friday 12th November
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DeejRC said:
Does it ever occur to some of you that you really are quite strange individuals?
Yes, almost daily.

silly

pauloroberto

199 posts

123 months

Sunday 21st November
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The only reason I look at this site is to see whether there are other people stranger than me. (There are.)

And to check whether we are still arguing about whether an R8 is a supercar. (We are and it isn’t.)

LeroyLoser

621 posts

10 months

Sunday 21st November
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pauloroberto said:
The only reason I look at this site is to see whether there are other people stranger than me.
Irony meter off the scale silly

Griffith4ever

606 posts

7 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Hedgeman said:
I question it because I would assert that real enthusiasts of a thing establish a hierarchy that classifies based on the merits of the thing itself, not how it is perceived by uninformed masses. Unless of course the most important thing to them is actually the opinion of the uninformed. And this thread, since it's on a car enthusiasts forum presumably has the opinions of car "enthusiasts", not "most people".

I love the comment "barried TT" though. It's these sorts of responses and the psychology behind them that make participating in threads like this worthwhile smile
I dropped out of this discussion some time ago but had to pop back in when I read that :-) (both your reply, and "barried TT) :-)

Skimming through a few of the replies I was starting to get a more solid picture of how people define "supercars", and it is so definitely in the eye of the beholder, but the moment I realised it is impossible to define in a way that pleases everyone is when I read, twice, I think, the Lambo Hurrican "isn't a supercar". Now the ONLY way I can possibly think that people have come to that conclusion, that the £215,000 Lambo Hurrican isn't a supercar (badge and all! - and they don't make small family cars too!) is.... that it shares the R8 V10 engine, and therefore they'd be dangerously close to putting them both in the same boat . It's way too funny if I'm right :-)

Look at it!!!!




Edited by Griffith4ever on Tuesday 23 November 15:57

Order66

6,589 posts

221 months

Tuesday 23rd November
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Sharing engines isn't an issue. Lots of non-supercar maserati have the same engine as bona-fide supercar Ferrari. The engine is a part of it, but its so much more.