Everyday โ€˜Supercarโ€™

Everyday โ€˜Supercarโ€™

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TP321

1,349 posts

170 months

Sunday 31st October
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I own the latest version R8. Amazing car, but I wouldn’t call it a supercar.

PH User

20,571 posts

80 months

Sunday 31st October
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Griffith4ever said:
PH User said:
most people don't think your R8 is a supercar.
"most do" actually. A quick google:

Auto Express, "The Audi R8 is a true supercar that's devastatingly fast, yet it's as easy to drive as a TT. The Audi R8 is a supercar from a dying breed. ... But, while the 5.2-litre V10 is a focal point of the car, there's much more to the R8 than simply a big engine."

Drive tribe: "AUDI R8: THE PERFECT FIRST SUPERCAR
The R8 is the only supercar you should buy if it's your first time, here's why."

Top Gear, "Audi still makes a naturally-aspirated, fire-spitting mid-engined V10 supercar... that itself makes a really, really good noise."

Robb Report, "First Drive: Audi’s 2020 R8 V10 Performance Is a Supercar That Doubles as a Daily Driver"

Car and driver, "With Lambo underpinnings and a rip-roaring V-10 engine hidden beneath its understated body, the 2022 Audi R8 supercar flies below the radar"

I could go on. There are countless examples.

I'm not sure any owner cares what you think about it's supercar status. What is worth arguing is when those that either have a Fezza, Lambo etc dismiss the (often faster) Audi due to badge snobbery, or , those that don't have one and won't ever buy anything of any interest throw their "Clarkson-inspired" opinion in. FYI - he said he'll never own one bacause he'd rather spend £60 more on a Lambo as it's more visceral.

It's all a bit predictable really.
The R8 is a good car, but as this site has proved in the past, it's not seen as a supercar. Not that it matters though.

TommyTerrible

30 posts

2 months

Sunday 31st October
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Griffith4ever said:
"most do" actually. A quick google:

Auto Express, "The Audi R8 is a true supercar that's devastatingly fast, yet it's as easy to drive as a TT. The Audi R8 is a supercar from a dying breed. ... But, while the 5.2-litre V10 is a focal point of the car, there's much more to the R8 than simply a big engine."

Drive tribe: "AUDI R8: THE PERFECT FIRST SUPERCAR
The R8 is the only supercar you should buy if it's your first time, here's why."

Top Gear, "Audi still makes a naturally-aspirated, fire-spitting mid-engined V10 supercar... that itself makes a really, really good noise."

Robb Report, "First Drive: Audi’s 2020 R8 V10 Performance Is a Supercar That Doubles as a Daily Driver"

Car and driver, "With Lambo underpinnings and a rip-roaring V-10 engine hidden beneath its understated body, the 2022 Audi R8 supercar flies below the radar"

I could go on. There are countless examples.

I'm not sure any owner cares what you think about it's supercar status. What is worth arguing is when those that either have a Fezza, Lambo etc dismiss the (often faster) Audi due to badge snobbery, or , those that don't have one and won't ever buy anything of any interest throw their "Clarkson-inspired" opinion in. FYI - he said he'll never own one bacause he'd rather spend £60 more on a Lambo as it's more visceral.

It's all a bit predictable really.
Maybe it is time for the R8 to be moved into the PH Supercar sub-forum?

DamanC

131 posts

115 months

Sunday 31st October
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lrdisco said:
Pretends they are a Supercar. What a special case you are.
So my personal opinion differs from yours and therefore you deem it relevant to dig out personal insults?

lrdisco said:
I am not as special as you.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, but whatever.

lrdisco said:
I don’t pretend. So the badge is what makes a Supercar then?
No, 3rd time. Make sure you read carefully before unloading your personal insults to a public forum. The badge is part of what makes a "supercar" and there are several parts to be seen as a whole to make a "supercar" but its not just the badge. With me so far? In the vague hope you are, how common a car is also makes up one of those parts. The 911T & and a R8 fall short on this part/requirement/penis extension/ego.

First post in this thread, second line "too many out there".


lrdisco said:
Ok let’s start with Jaguar XJ220 then BMW Z8, Alfa 8c, Mercedes’ SLR or SLS, Corvette ZR1.
Not one a Supercar in your view.
I'm not here to debate other cars and have absolutely no inclination to do so, I personally couldn't give two turds how other people perceive other make and models of cars and I certainly wouldn't go round throwing insults or try to convince people otherwise however if you are wanting my personal opinion then the XJ220, SLR and SLS could very well be considered a supercar based on them being rare. The Alpha, BMW & Vette I care not for.

Take the Porsche 918 for example, 100% supercar/hypercar whatever you want to call it, its not just about the badge.

Ask yourself this. Whilst there are plenty of people that do think say a 911T and a R8 are "supercars" there are also plenty of other people think/say they are not, can a supercar really be a supercar when its regularly debated? When people shout out Ferrari 488, Lamborghini Aventador or McLaren 650S 99% will instantly, without hesitation, reply "supercar", can you really say the same when only 30/40/50/60/70% would agree. "Supercars" imo are very clear cut, if you have warble on about it to try and justify it then well, its not.

Its been discussed/warbled on about to the death here. I certainly don't give a st about how others perceive my cars. Enjoy what you have for what it is and be done with it.



Edited by DamanC on Sunday 31st October 19:39


Edited by DamanC on Sunday 31st October 19:40

Order66

6,589 posts

221 months

Sunday 31st October
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TommyTerrible said:
Maybe it is time for the R8 to be moved into the PH Supercar sub-forum?
or not, it's not a supercar, regardless of what journalists being thrown a freebie thought....

MDL111

5,771 posts

149 months

Sunday 31st October
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If you need 4 seats (does not sound like it), I would go FF. If 2 seats, then F12. If you want a Porsche, then a Turbo or GT3 will definitely do the trick and have lower running costs.
Good luck

DeejRC

2,928 posts

54 months

Monday 1st November
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Right then OP, ignoring the daft VAG tarts, welcome to my thread. Very few ppl use silly cars as their daily motor because they aren’t daft tts…fortunately for you I am a lot less smarter than your average bear.

What are we counting as a daily?
How many miles day/wk/yr?
Shopping trips?
Work car?
How much do you want to spend?

I used my Alfa 4C as my daily, 24, 000 miles/yr, did 60,000 over 3yrs till Covid.

So obviously I sold her and bought an F12. I’m typing this from Membury services on the M4, as I’ve used the F12 to leave the south west at silly o clock this morning on way to the office in Oxford. Which I’m back to doing every week. Yesterday she did the weekly shopping to the local farm shop and went to Waitrose.

I’ve doubled the miles on her from when I bought her in July. If I’m completely honest even I recognise I can’t keep doing this and I’ll probably add a PoS 3 series touring to the fleet for the crap work. But for now…F12 it is as the daily and I LOVE it. There is an innate pleasure in doing something as simple as driving to work and knowing that you are effectively in the biggest dog on the road. It’s very silly, immature and utterly childish I know.

Or you can drive an R8. And be an accountant.

Taffy66

5,019 posts

74 months

Monday 1st November
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DeejRC said:
Right then OP, ignoring the daft VAG tarts, welcome to my thread. Very few ppl use silly cars as their daily motor because they aren’t daft tts…fortunately for you I am a lot less smarter than your average bear.

What are we counting as a daily?
How many miles day/wk/yr?
Shopping trips?
Work car?
How much do you want to spend?

I used my Alfa 4C as my daily, 24, 000 miles/yr, did 60,000 over 3yrs till Covid.

So obviously I sold her and bought an F12. I’m typing this from Membury services on the M4, as I’ve used the F12 to leave the south west at silly o clock this morning on way to the office in Oxford. Which I’m back to doing every week. Yesterday she did the weekly shopping to the local farm shop and went to Waitrose.

I’ve doubled the miles on her from when I bought her in July. If I’m completely honest even I recognise I can’t keep doing this and I’ll probably add a PoS 3 series touring to the fleet for the crap work. But for now…F12 it is as the daily and I LOVE it. There is an innate pleasure in doing something as simple as driving to work and knowing that you are effectively in the biggest dog on the road. It’s very silly, immature and utterly childish I know.

Or you can drive an R8. And be an accountant.
This is an all time classic Pistonheads post, even by your lofty standards DeejRC thumbup

hucumber

2,298 posts

69 months

Monday 1st November
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Griffith4ever said:
It absolutely is.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/r8

I mean honestly, you have THE same engine from the later Gallardos, and the Hurrican, same soundtrack, a mostly hand built car, incredible performance and handling. Heck, mine is 585 Bhp (more than the equivalent Gallardo) and the R-tronic is the gear box straight out of earlier Lambos - the E-gear in the Gallardo. The engine was famously detuned to avoid upsetting Lambo owners. It's an Audi-Lamborghini, A Lambo with much less dramatic styling. For me, it's a Lambo without the image problem - I'd own one happily in a city, but here in the Sout West I'd be the one Lambo around other than the occasional appearance by Peter Andre!
Without wanting to really get drawn into the argument, I think you have summed up for me why I don't see the R8 as a supercar. It's basically made out of bits of other cars, whereas in my opinion a supercar is a far more bespoke thing. I'm not saying I'm right, or that you are - it's a dispute that no one can ever win, but I think the R8 is less special by being made from the Lambo parts bin

LeroyLoser

621 posts

10 months

Monday 1st November
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DamanC said:
lrdisco said:
Pretends they are a Supercar. What a special case you are.
So my personal opinion differs from yours and therefore you deem it relevant to dig out personal insults?

lrdisco said:
I am not as special as you.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, but whatever.

lrdisco said:
I don’t pretend. So the badge is what makes a Supercar then?
No, 3rd time. Make sure you read carefully before unloading your personal insults to a public forum. The badge is part of what makes a "supercar" and there are several parts to be seen as a whole to make a "supercar" but its not just the badge. With me so far? In the vague hope you are, how common a car is also makes up one of those parts. The 911T & and a R8 fall short on this part/requirement/penis extension/ego.

First post in this thread, second line "too many out there".


lrdisco said:
Ok let’s start with Jaguar XJ220 then BMW Z8, Alfa 8c, Mercedes’ SLR or SLS, Corvette ZR1.
Not one a Supercar in your view.
I'm not here to debate other cars and have absolutely no inclination to do so, I personally couldn't give two turds how other people perceive other make and models of cars and I certainly wouldn't go round throwing insults or try to convince people otherwise however if you are wanting my personal opinion then the XJ220, SLR and SLS could very well be considered a supercar based on them being rare. The Alpha, BMW & Vette I care not for.

Take the Porsche 918 for example, 100% supercar/hypercar whatever you want to call it, its not just about the badge.

Ask yourself this. Whilst there are plenty of people that do think say a 911T and a R8 are "supercars" there are also plenty of other people think/say they are not, can a supercar really be a supercar when its regularly debated? When people shout out Ferrari 488, Lamborghini Aventador or McLaren 650S 99% will instantly, without hesitation, reply "supercar", can you really say the same when only 30/40/50/60/70% would agree. "Supercars" imo are very clear cut, if you have warble on about it to try and justify it then well, its not.

Its been discussed/warbled on about to the death here. I certainly don't give a st about how others perceive my cars. Enjoy what you have for what it is and be done with it.



Edited by DamanC on Sunday 31st October 19:39


Edited by DamanC on Sunday 31st October 19:40
I only see one chip on a shoulder here, maybe thats what happens when you cant afford a real supercar? (Sorry, couldn't resist)

After all the 911 suggestions and have to say the AMG GTC or R, all the 911 attributes but just that little more special, wouldn't call it or the 911 a supercar really but the AMG is more so i think, especially the GTR.

Edited by LeroyLoser on Monday 1st November 08:44

Trev450

6,087 posts

144 months

Monday 1st November
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hucumber said:
Without wanting to really get drawn into the argument, I think you have summed up for me why I don't see the R8 as a supercar. It's basically made out of bits of other cars, whereas in my opinion a supercar is a far more bespoke thing. I'm not saying I'm right, or that you are - it's a dispute that no one can ever win, but I think the R8 is less special by being made from the Lambo parts bin
Since Audi own Lamborghini, you could argue that the lambo is made from the Audi parts bin. smile

TommyTerrible

30 posts

2 months

Monday 1st November
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They’ve all got one thing in common = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graziano_Trasmission...

BlackWidow13

1,635 posts

27 months

Monday 1st November
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Why does PH generate these fantastically heated arguments about what is and isn’t a supercars without anyone pausing first to lay out what they think makes a car a supercar?

seefarr

1,114 posts

158 months

Monday 1st November
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DeejRC said:
Or you can drive an R8. And be an accountant.
Hey, I work in IT thank you very much. Although technically it's registered in the wife's name....and she is an accountant.

Which is rather proving your point. biggrin

Chamon_Lee

2,918 posts

119 months

Monday 1st November
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PH User said:
Griffith4ever said:
PH User said:
most people don't think your R8 is a supercar.
"most do" actually. A quick google:

Auto Express, "The Audi R8 is a true supercar that's devastatingly fast, yet it's as easy to drive as a TT. The Audi R8 is a supercar from a dying breed. ... But, while the 5.2-litre V10 is a focal point of the car, there's much more to the R8 than simply a big engine."

Drive tribe: "AUDI R8: THE PERFECT FIRST SUPERCAR
The R8 is the only supercar you should buy if it's your first time, here's why."

Top Gear, "Audi still makes a naturally-aspirated, fire-spitting mid-engined V10 supercar... that itself makes a really, really good noise."

Robb Report, "First Drive: Audi’s 2020 R8 V10 Performance Is a Supercar That Doubles as a Daily Driver"

Car and driver, "With Lambo underpinnings and a rip-roaring V-10 engine hidden beneath its understated body, the 2022 Audi R8 supercar flies below the radar"

I could go on. There are countless examples.

I'm not sure any owner cares what you think about it's supercar status. What is worth arguing is when those that either have a Fezza, Lambo etc dismiss the (often faster) Audi due to badge snobbery, or , those that don't have one and won't ever buy anything of any interest throw their "Clarkson-inspired" opinion in. FYI - he said he'll never own one bacause he'd rather spend £60 more on a Lambo as it's more visceral.

It's all a bit predictable really.
The R8 is a good car, but as this site has proved in the past, it's not seen as a supercar. Not that it matters though.
Does that not very much depend on the audience though? I have to say once upon a time I would have considered an R8 a supercar maybe not so much anymore because its maybe more easily attainable?

The general public I think would consider it a supercar. All be it maybe it a baby supercar?


Gibbo205

2,609 posts

179 months

Monday 1st November
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Surely if looks, sound and handling are a priority without costing a fortune.

Lotus Emira!

If performance is on the agenda then pretty much any modern Ferrari or Lamborghini are very capable and easy enough to daily.

Bo_apex

1,531 posts

190 months

Monday 1st November
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PH User said:
The R8 is a good car, but as this site has proved in the past, it's not seen as a supercar. Not that it matters though.
Precisely.
If owners are happy that's the priority.

Bo_apex

1,531 posts

190 months

Monday 1st November
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Trev450 said:
Since Audi own Lamborghini, you could argue that the lambo is made from the Audi parts bin. smile
Lamborghini headers aside smile


WCZ

8,939 posts

166 months

Monday 1st November
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i'd just get a 992 turbo s and have done with it tbh

DeejRC

2,928 posts

54 months

Monday 1st November
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Taffy66 said:
DeejRC said:
Right then OP, ignoring the daft VAG tarts, welcome to my thread. Very few ppl use silly cars as their daily motor because they aren’t daft tts…fortunately for you I am a lot less smarter than your average bear.

What are we counting as a daily?
How many miles day/wk/yr?
Shopping trips?
Work car?
How much do you want to spend?

I used my Alfa 4C as my daily, 24, 000 miles/yr, did 60,000 over 3yrs till Covid.

So obviously I sold her and bought an F12. I’m typing this from Membury services on the M4, as I’ve used the F12 to leave the south west at silly o clock this morning on way to the office in Oxford. Which I’m back to doing every week. Yesterday she did the weekly shopping to the local farm shop and went to Waitrose.

I’ve doubled the miles on her from when I bought her in July. If I’m completely honest even I recognise I can’t keep doing this and I’ll probably add a PoS 3 series touring to the fleet for the crap work. But for now…F12 it is as the daily and I LOVE it. There is an innate pleasure in doing something as simple as driving to work and knowing that you are effectively in the biggest dog on the road. It’s very silly, immature and utterly childish I know.

Or you can drive an R8. And be an accountant.
This is an all time classic Pistonheads post, even by your lofty standards DeejRC thumbup
See, I did almost expect you to reply, but highlighting my last paragraph and hinting you having a bigger dog tongue out I was then going to reply that yes, yours was a bit of a lardy mare hehe

Anyway, I think you for your reply Sir and merely point you in the direction of WCZ’s post which is surely even more peak PH? Just buy unobtanium or spend min £190k on his daily!