£80k (ish) 2+2
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Longy00000 said:
Given you can get Gt or Flying Spurs from about £13,000 now you need to pick your car very carefully if you hope to avoid throwing £50k away in depreciation over the next few years.
The bottom of the market are 18 year old cars. £80k would get you into maybe a 2017 or 2018 car. £50k over 14 years doesn't sound as dreadful.I've just bought an FF, I waited quite some time for the right one for me to come up for sale, it has a warranty and I'm extending it. Even so I'm expecting to spend money on it, mainly as the one I bought had done less than 500 miles in the previous two years. So something is bound to get upset when I start doing 200 miles or so a week in it.
My all time favourite Ferrari is an F12, but it's a 2 seater and I've just sold a 2 seater because I simply can't use it enough. The FF is a slightly heavier, detuned F12 with 4WD 2 real extra seats and a big boot. It's also slightly less likely to throw me in a hedge.
At £80Kish you're right in at the bottom of the market for an FF, it will be a 2011/12 car with no pano roof and 40K+ miles.
There's a good chance it won't have a warranty, there's a good chance it's going to need to brakes in the near future if they've not already been done. When you come to move it on it will be like trying to sell a grenade that's missing it's pin.
The entry level for an FF in the UK is pano roof minimum (if resale is any concern whatseover) plus full history, lowish owners, nice colour combo and a warranty. You're not realistically going to get much change from £120K.
If this is a cash outright purchase and £80K ish is your budget, don't go shopping for an FF.
If you're buying on some form of finance what you might find is the residual of the better FF's is so favourable even in this market that it could end up costing pretty similar money to an £80K Bentley or Aston.
Really it depends on your personal circumstances.
My all time favourite Ferrari is an F12, but it's a 2 seater and I've just sold a 2 seater because I simply can't use it enough. The FF is a slightly heavier, detuned F12 with 4WD 2 real extra seats and a big boot. It's also slightly less likely to throw me in a hedge.
At £80Kish you're right in at the bottom of the market for an FF, it will be a 2011/12 car with no pano roof and 40K+ miles.
There's a good chance it won't have a warranty, there's a good chance it's going to need to brakes in the near future if they've not already been done. When you come to move it on it will be like trying to sell a grenade that's missing it's pin.
The entry level for an FF in the UK is pano roof minimum (if resale is any concern whatseover) plus full history, lowish owners, nice colour combo and a warranty. You're not realistically going to get much change from £120K.
If this is a cash outright purchase and £80K ish is your budget, don't go shopping for an FF.
If you're buying on some form of finance what you might find is the residual of the better FF's is so favourable even in this market that it could end up costing pretty similar money to an £80K Bentley or Aston.
Really it depends on your personal circumstances.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 25th August 00:09
Totally agree I keep 2 others cars worth pennies and one nice one with 2 seats.
The only way to do this IMHO is not to compromise on the supercar / sports car ideal but instead spend £78,500 on the perfect car and £1,500 on a 4 seater banger and keep it on the street for that rare instance when you need it. Why compromise your driving 95% of the time for 5% of your use? This is what I do anyway and have done for many years.
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The only way to do this IMHO is not to compromise on the supercar / sports car ideal but instead spend £78,500 on the perfect car and £1,500 on a 4 seater banger and keep it on the street for that rare instance when you need it. Why compromise your driving 95% of the time for 5% of your use? This is what I do anyway and have done for many years.
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next to zero running costs, amazing looks and a great drive.
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Bit of a left field one but after c.30 911’s ( I still have 2) I also have a 355 spider, I went looking for an FF for an everyday car.
I loved it but then went on a track day in the 992, now I have never wanted an electric car … ever !!
But I got blown away by a Taycan on every lap at goodwood. 992 was sold the same day.
Drove a taycan the next day and bought one in the afternoon, as a daily (if that’s what you want) with 2 proper rear seats, 0-60 in 3 secs dead and 100 in 5.9 they are hard to beat.
But I couldn’t be without a petrol 911 as well.
I loved it but then went on a track day in the 992, now I have never wanted an electric car … ever !!
But I got blown away by a Taycan on every lap at goodwood. 992 was sold the same day.
Drove a taycan the next day and bought one in the afternoon, as a daily (if that’s what you want) with 2 proper rear seats, 0-60 in 3 secs dead and 100 in 5.9 they are hard to beat.
But I couldn’t be without a petrol 911 as well.
21ATS said:
I've just bought an FF, I waited quite some time for the right one for me to come up for sale, it has a warranty and I'm extending it. Even so I'm expecting to spend money on it, mainly as the one I bought had done less than 500 miles in the previous two years. So something is bound to get upset when I start doing 200 miles or so a week in it.
My all time favourite Ferrari is an F12, but it's a 2 seater and I've just sold a 2 seater because I simply can't use it enough. The FF is a slightly heavier, detuned F12 with 4WD 2 real extra seats and a big boot. It's also slightly less likely to throw me in a hedge.
At £80Kish you're right in at the bottom of the market for an FF, it will be a 2011/12 car with no pano roof and 40K+ miles.
There's a good chance it won't have a warranty, there's a good chance it's going to need to brakes in the near future if they've not already been done. When you come to move it on it will be like trying to sell a grenade that's missing it's pin.
The entry level for an FF in the UK is pano roof minimum (if resale is any concern whatseover) plus full history, lowish owners, nice colour combo and a warranty. You're not realistically going to get much change from £120K.
If this is a cash outright purchase and £80K ish is your budget, don't go shopping for an FF.
If you're buying on some form of finance what you might find is the residual of the better FF's is so favourable even in this market that it could end up costing pretty similar money to an £80K Bentley or Aston.
Really it depends on your personal circumstances.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13976088My all time favourite Ferrari is an F12, but it's a 2 seater and I've just sold a 2 seater because I simply can't use it enough. The FF is a slightly heavier, detuned F12 with 4WD 2 real extra seats and a big boot. It's also slightly less likely to throw me in a hedge.
At £80Kish you're right in at the bottom of the market for an FF, it will be a 2011/12 car with no pano roof and 40K+ miles.
There's a good chance it won't have a warranty, there's a good chance it's going to need to brakes in the near future if they've not already been done. When you come to move it on it will be like trying to sell a grenade that's missing it's pin.
The entry level for an FF in the UK is pano roof minimum (if resale is any concern whatseover) plus full history, lowish owners, nice colour combo and a warranty. You're not realistically going to get much change from £120K.
If this is a cash outright purchase and £80K ish is your budget, don't go shopping for an FF.
If you're buying on some form of finance what you might find is the residual of the better FF's is so favourable even in this market that it could end up costing pretty similar money to an £80K Bentley or Aston.
Really it depends on your personal circumstances.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 25th August 00:09
Seems that at £120k is the cheapest FF with a pan roof, and that interior isnt quite to my liking either.
Seems FF's have risen in price again since I last looked at them, Pan roof does make a big difference to the feel of the car particularly if you are carrying passengers or people in the back.
but if your budget is £80k its another 50% more... also not many to choose from, warranty would be essential imo - a friend recently sold his because of the bills he had for it but that was more due to the unscrupulous dealer he bought it from ... TH is all Ill say.
mattf93 said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13976088
Seems that at £120k is the cheapest FF with a pan roof, and that interior isnt quite to my liking either.
Seems FF's have risen in price again since I last looked at them, Pan roof does make a big difference to the feel of the car particularly if you are carrying passengers or people in the back.
but if your budget is £80k its another 50% more... also not many to choose from, warranty would be essential imo - a friend recently sold his because of the bills he had for it but that was more due to the unscrupulous dealer he bought it from ... TH is all Ill say.
The spread between a good FF and a bad one is increasing as they get older and the number of high owner less well cared for examples are increasing.Seems that at £120k is the cheapest FF with a pan roof, and that interior isnt quite to my liking either.
Seems FF's have risen in price again since I last looked at them, Pan roof does make a big difference to the feel of the car particularly if you are carrying passengers or people in the back.
but if your budget is £80k its another 50% more... also not many to choose from, warranty would be essential imo - a friend recently sold his because of the bills he had for it but that was more due to the unscrupulous dealer he bought it from ... TH is all Ill say.
As you just pointed out, spec if very price sensitive. The 2016 low mieage car at Slades should be worth more, but it has matt paint a blue interior and a carbon fibre boot lining. £80K in options new that have managed to make the car worth less than if the original owner had gone for a more sublte specification.
A perfect example of why Tailor Made cars are really for those who don't care about money or never intend to sell them on.
I think I know the car you refer to, this is the one where they all refused to show him the inspection from the Ferrari dealer citing GDPA regs right?
Well I bought mine from GVE, all you need to do is read the reviews and they aren't a great deal better than TH, but at the end of the day any SOR dealer is going to be the same. So I treated it as little more than a private sale. Paid for my own inspection which lead to 5 times the value of the inspection in items being addressed not at my expense.
You need to go in to one of these with your eyes open and do as much as possible to reduce your exposure to a disaster.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 29th September 13:05
21ATS said:
The spread between a good FF and a bad one is increasing as they get older and the number of high owner less well cared for examples are increasing.
As you just pointed out, spec if very price sensitive. The 2016 low mieage car at Slades should be worth more, but it has matt paint a blue interior and a carbon fibre boot lining. £80K in options new that have managed to make the car worth less than if the original owner had gone for a more sublte specification.
A perfect example of why Tailor Made cars are really for those who don't care about money or never intend to sell them on.
I think I know the car you refer to, this is the one where they all refused to show him the inspection from the Ferrari dealer citing GDPA regs right?
Well I bought mine from GVE, all you need to do is read the reviews and they aren't a great deal better than TH, but at the end of the day any SOR dealer is going to be the same. So I treated it as little more than a private sale. Paid for my own inspection which lead to 5 times the value of the inspection in items being addressed not at my expense.
You need to go in to one of these with your eyes open and do as much as possible to reduce your exposure to a disaster.
You are correct there, saw George last weekend - he is loving his 570s now, and uses it properly! As you just pointed out, spec if very price sensitive. The 2016 low mieage car at Slades should be worth more, but it has matt paint a blue interior and a carbon fibre boot lining. £80K in options new that have managed to make the car worth less than if the original owner had gone for a more sublte specification.
A perfect example of why Tailor Made cars are really for those who don't care about money or never intend to sell them on.
I think I know the car you refer to, this is the one where they all refused to show him the inspection from the Ferrari dealer citing GDPA regs right?
Well I bought mine from GVE, all you need to do is read the reviews and they aren't a great deal better than TH, but at the end of the day any SOR dealer is going to be the same. So I treated it as little more than a private sale. Paid for my own inspection which lead to 5 times the value of the inspection in items being addressed not at my expense.
You need to go in to one of these with your eyes open and do as much as possible to reduce your exposure to a disaster.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 29th September 13:05
I too have been caught out by GDPR I cant print the full service history of my car anymore due to the changes which is infuriating for the history file I would want to give to a new owner when I move it along. Even though Ive owned the car for over 1/2 its life.
GVE get some good stock, but as you say doesn't necessarily make them a good dealer, unfortunately nowadays particularly if no longer in factory warranty you do have to do your own due diligence/inspections.
FF are a great car but have some complex engineering. I knew of a chap that used one between switzerland and monaco and put 70K Kms on his and needed a new gearbox.
Get a good one though, with good tyres (even better get a set of winter wheels and tyres too!) and youve got an all weather supercar! If I was well heeled enough Id love to run one - I do think they need an exhaust tinkering though mainly as they are so well insulated inside and just need to be opened up a little - but depends on how much of a yob you want to be and how many miles you are also doing!
mattf93 said:
You are correct there, saw George last weekend - he is loving his 570s now, and uses it properly!
I too have been caught out by GDPR I cant print the full service history of my car anymore due to the changes which is infuriating for the history file I would want to give to a new owner when I move it along. Even though Ive owned the car for over 1/2 its life.
GVE get some good stock, but as you say doesn't necessarily make them a good dealer, unfortunately nowadays particularly if no longer in factory warranty you do have to do your own due diligence/inspections.
FF are a great car but have some complex engineering. I knew of a chap that used one between switzerland and monaco and put 70K Kms on his and needed a new gearbox.
Get a good one though, with good tyres (even better get a set of winter wheels and tyres too!) and youve got an all weather supercar! If I was well heeled enough Id love to run one - I do think they need an exhaust tinkering though mainly as they are so well insulated inside and just need to be opened up a little - but depends on how much of a yob you want to be and how many miles you are also doing!
I daily mine, but I don't think it needs an exhaust, it's louder than an F12 standard. It's the sort of thing you play around with the exhaust if you've got multiple cars and you don't actually use it on a daily basis. Otherwise it becomes simply draining on a long journey.I too have been caught out by GDPR I cant print the full service history of my car anymore due to the changes which is infuriating for the history file I would want to give to a new owner when I move it along. Even though Ive owned the car for over 1/2 its life.
GVE get some good stock, but as you say doesn't necessarily make them a good dealer, unfortunately nowadays particularly if no longer in factory warranty you do have to do your own due diligence/inspections.
FF are a great car but have some complex engineering. I knew of a chap that used one between switzerland and monaco and put 70K Kms on his and needed a new gearbox.
Get a good one though, with good tyres (even better get a set of winter wheels and tyres too!) and youve got an all weather supercar! If I was well heeled enough Id love to run one - I do think they need an exhaust tinkering though mainly as they are so well insulated inside and just need to be opened up a little - but depends on how much of a yob you want to be and how many miles you are also doing!
I've just had the rear end of mine covered in Dynamat to reduce drone and frequency vibration in traffic. This is an issue that was solved in the Lusso, which is a much quieter car inside and out. In fact as owners sold their FF's and moved into Lusso it was about a 50/50 split of those who loved the newer car and some who wanted their FF back.
Other than that it's a lovely thing. I do have warranty on mine though.
I've had it about 7 weeks now and done 2000 miles. They really don't like being sat unused.
21ATS said:
I daily mine, but I don't think it needs an exhaust, it's louder than an F12 standard. It's the sort of thing you play around with the exhaust if you've got multiple cars and you don't actually use it on a daily basis. Otherwise it becomes simply draining on a long journey.
I've just had the rear end of mine covered in Dynamat to reduce drone and frequency vibration in traffic. This is an issue that was solved in the Lusso, which is a much quieter car inside and out. In fact as owners sold their FF's and moved into Lusso it was about a 50/50 split of those who loved the newer car and some who wanted their FF back.
Other than that it's a lovely thing. I do have warranty on mine though.
I've had it about 7 weeks now and done 2000 miles. They really don't like being sat unused.
Ohhh were you the chap that had the drone in slow moving traffic at low revs and needed to add insulation to reduce the drone? Wonder if shiltech or other dealers have an suggestions on that front other than dynamat? Id say most modern ferraris aren't great being left at all really- however the FF and Lusso have a lot of tech on them so maybe are more prone?I've just had the rear end of mine covered in Dynamat to reduce drone and frequency vibration in traffic. This is an issue that was solved in the Lusso, which is a much quieter car inside and out. In fact as owners sold their FF's and moved into Lusso it was about a 50/50 split of those who loved the newer car and some who wanted their FF back.
Other than that it's a lovely thing. I do have warranty on mine though.
I've had it about 7 weeks now and done 2000 miles. They really don't like being sat unused.
An old client and friend of Mine had a FF for two years and absolutely loved it... swapped it for Lusso T (because he didnt want to lose his shirt on a v12) and preferred the noise of the 12 but found the useability of the TT V8 in the Lusso quite a package although did miss the stability in winter...
I notice the Lusso is no longer available to order I really hope they dont wipe out the Lusso replacement with the Purosangue - not everyone wants a £400k SUV to daily...
21ATS said:
The spread between a good FF and a bad one is increasing as they get older and the number of high owner less well cared for examples are increasing.
As you just pointed out, spec if very price sensitive. The 2016 low mieage car at Slades should be worth more, but it has matt paint a blue interior and a carbon fibre boot lining. £80K in options new that have managed to make the car worth less than if the original owner had gone for a more sublte specification.
A perfect example of why Tailor Made cars are really for those who don't care about money or never intend to sell them on.
I like the blue interior, but matt silver is a hilariously bad colour.As you just pointed out, spec if very price sensitive. The 2016 low mieage car at Slades should be worth more, but it has matt paint a blue interior and a carbon fibre boot lining. £80K in options new that have managed to make the car worth less than if the original owner had gone for a more sublte specification.
A perfect example of why Tailor Made cars are really for those who don't care about money or never intend to sell them on.
Edited by 21ATS on Thursday 29th September 13:05
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