GMA T.50 and T.33 - will reviewers get to drive it?
Discussion
It's interesting reading the comments on here, I'm very lucky in that I've spent quite a lot of time around and driving the T.50, if I had the money I wouldn't have one. Yes the engine noise is amazing from outside and inside, but as a road car, given its been billed as a usable supercar its just not very good at being a road car.
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
alanford said:
Stunning video. Really excellent. KGP04 said:
It's interesting reading the comments on here, I'm very lucky in that I've spent quite a lot of time around and driving the T.50, if I had the money I wouldn't have one. Yes the engine noise is amazing from outside and inside, but as a road car, given its been billed as a usable supercar its just not very good at being a road car.
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
Your last point is probably true, but nonetheless irrelevant to the thread. Your first point is interesting - why is it a bad car?I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
… and your point about a group of engineers coming up with the same car doesn’t strike me as likely tbh.
K50 DEL said:
The fact that I sat through the 7!! advert breaks in a 30 minute video did 2 things,
Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
Every so often I get a reminder of the value I get from my Youtube premium subscription! Doesn't cost a lot but transforms the Youtube experience.Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
KGP04 said:
It's interesting reading the comments on here, I'm very lucky in that I've spent quite a lot of time around and driving the T.50, if I had the money I wouldn't have one. Yes the engine noise is amazing from outside and inside, but as a road car, given its been billed as a usable supercar its just not very good at being a road car.
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
There are other enthusiastic automotive engineers and they have a budget, don't they? This one is different and it doesn't have to be the best. Think how many production cars there are with a central driving position, 12000 rpm, a rear fan and with this weight. Add to that naturally aspirated v12 and manual transmission. I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
I'm not saying that others can't do it, but if they can then they're not interested in producing a car like this.
BobM said:
K50 DEL said:
The fact that I sat through the 7!! advert breaks in a 30 minute video did 2 things,
Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
Every so often I get a reminder of the value I get from my Youtube premium subscription! Doesn't cost a lot but transforms the Youtube experience.Firstly it reinforced why I never normally watch online content (this was the first in years)
Secondly it confirmed just how good those 2 cars are, how much I want a T.50 and how much Henry has matured in the years since he first started writing for Evo.
KGP04 said:
It's interesting reading the comments on here, I'm very lucky in that I've spent quite a lot of time around and driving the T.50, if I had the money I wouldn't have one. Yes the engine noise is amazing from outside and inside, but as a road car, given its been billed as a usable supercar its just not very good at being a road car.
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
I don't think you'd make it through a Jodie Kidd video with GM because she makes out like he's the second coming himself I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
KGP04 said:
It's interesting reading the comments on here, I'm very lucky in that I've spent quite a lot of time around and driving the T.50, if I had the money I wouldn't have one. Yes the engine noise is amazing from outside and inside, but as a road car, given its been billed as a usable supercar its just not very good at being a road car.
I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
How, may I ask, have you 'spent quite a lot of time... driving the T.50'?I also think all the praise GM gets is absurd, give a team of enthusiastic auto engineers the same budget and you'd probably end up with similar cars.
Make something fun and sporty and about driving feel and all that for the mass market for 40 / 50k, much more of a challenge imo...
alanford said:
Incredible video thanks for sharing. Enjoyed that this morning with my brew. If I had the "I just want the icon" money then yes 100% but as amazing as the T.50 is it doesn't seem to do any one thing better than other modern Supercars.
I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
br d said:
If I had the "I just want the icon" money then yes 100% but as amazing as the T.50 is it doesn't seem to do any one thing better than other modern Supercars.
I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
I'd say it offers something different. Which other supercar offers a NA V12 with a manual gearbox and weighs under just 1000kgs? Once moving, no PAS. I'd say it's very different to just about anything else on the market? I suspect that's an irrelevant angle though, he'll sell as many as can make and potential buyers aren't comparing figures with other cars. This is an entirely different ball game and the world's a much better place with GM in it.
E90_M3Ross said:
I'd say it offers something different. Which other supercar offers a NA V12 with a manual gearbox and weighs under just 1000kgs? Once moving, no PAS. I'd say it's very different to just about anything else on the market?
Yes, all of that and a central driving seat too. Totally unique.The driving position certainly but the engine and stuff aren't really factors because the car isn't really 'on the market' is it?
You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
br d said:
The driving position certainly but the engine and stuff aren't really factors because the car isn't really 'on the market' is it?
You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
I'd argue no road car needs more performance than is offered by the fastest supercars around today. The F1 wasn't meant to be about the performance, it was meant to be about the driving experience, it just so happened it was very, very fast. This has a bit more power and a bit less weight. It'll be plenty fast enough. You can't just buy one.
But yeah I was being simplistic, what I was trying to clumsily say is that performance and handling wise it doesn't do anything that other cars can't, like the F1 did in its time.
I'm sounding critical which wasn't my intention, it's a wonderful thing.
Yes I agree but I wasn't saying that it needs to be faster, just that it doesn't have the same shock factor that the F1 brought.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
br d said:
Yes I agree but I wasn't saying that it needs to be faster, just that it doesn't have the same shock factor that the F1 brought.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
Which of course it doesn't need and the people buying it won't care a jot about that.
I saw one at Goodwood a while back and it's beautiful, I hear a lot of negativity about the fan but in the flesh I thought it looked perfect.
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