RE: jondokic's Ferrari 456GT

RE: jondokic's Ferrari 456GT

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456mgt

2,482 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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Christ this thread moved on fast.

Bennno- I agonised for months over which exhaust to fit. What I was after (and got) was something that increased the volume without altering the original sound quality, causing vibration in the cabin, or being so loud it would get on my t*ts on a long journey. With the Koenig, the car sounds awesome and not too loud, 2-3 times louder than it was. Starting it up on a petrol station forecourt is pretty amazing: metallic whirr then explodes into life. People have been known to sh*t themselves.

Tubi
I was chatting to a chap who had had a Tubi system fitted to his 550 (same engine) and found it far too loud; he described it as "several Sherman tanks going through a tunnel". He got back to Tubi and they changed it for what they call a 'silenced silencer'. This was at no extra cost and with a lead time of 2-3 months. He was delighted with it afterwards, but as he is in South Africa I haven't heard it. A friend of mine in Australia has a Tubi on his 456 and to begin with it sounds awesome, but it really is too loud and bass for me. He even gets interference between the sound waves from the two banks of pipes, so you get patches of loud and quiet. That's how loud it is.

Hamann Suggested as an alternative to Koenigs by the Service people at Maranello Sales, though since Ferrari do not supply sports exhausts they cannot officially recommend any make....

Koenig
www.koenig-specials.com
The first option suggested by Maranello's and by two others I asked, including another 550 owner. These are the 'standard' pipes- just the back boxes and twin exhausts each side. You can get extra loud competition version of this exhaust.

Walter Koenig speaks very good English and sounded like he had heard the same questions many times before! If you want to contact him:
phone: 00 49 89 724 970 ask for Walter
fax: 00 49 89 723 813
email: koenig-specials-meunchen@T-online.de

The exhaust was fitted by independent specialist Barr-Tech in Cambridge (01223 425300 ask for Tino Barresi).
Cost 78 inc. VAT and took just over two hours. Fitting was pretty straightforward but they spent ages adjusting them so that it was perfect.

One thing you might want to check is whether fitting a sports exhaust affects any warranty you have on the car. Maranello's told me it would invalidate mine (I didn't check this) so in the end I fitted them after the car had gone out of warranty.

Apologies for the long reply -bit of a pet subject.

Good luck

Kevin

MikeyT

15,265 posts

240 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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i am told a new engine would be 60k



Christ, better keep that oil level up then ...

bennno

Original Poster:

7,376 posts

238 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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noooo....i wish you had not shown me the Koenig site



KOENIG twin-turbo engine
2 turbo-chargers, improved cooling-systems, intercooler, turbo-pistons, intercooler, turbotronic, output up to 520 kW / 700 hp / 685 NM โ‚ฌ 47.000,โ€“

performance:
0-100 km/h 3,9 sec.
0-200 km/h 11,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 11,5 sec.
top speed 330 km/h
driving performance depends on gear ratio


Bennno

Roadrunner

2,690 posts

236 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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Remove that site from your favorites now.

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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Kevin (456mgt) are you Jammy from the other forum? I don't know whether I mentioned this forum to you (I intended to) but its good to hear from you on here. How is your other Ferrari running?

BTW, I travelled all the way to Leeds to finalise a deal with JCT for their Spider and he told me that "it just wouldn't happen", in a very annoying bitchy way and I left telling him to call me if "it could happen". Anyway, on the way back to London I popped into Graypauls and he assured me he would get me the JCT car at the price I wanted. The guy from JCT then calls me the next day and tells me he can go with me on that price. It felt good to tell him "sorry mate but I am suited now thank you". So hopefully I should have my 355 Spider sometime next week. Graypaul should be buying JCT's car in the next couple of days, preparing it and then handing it over to me!!

Regards

456mgt

2,482 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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Hi Ninja,
Yup, it's me. Found this site some months ago and have been enjoying the 'robust' humour on it.

Good to hear from you, and I'm absolutely delighted for you. I bet you can't sleep, eat or concentrate on anything else at the moment- it's even giving me butterflies! 355 Spider- you lucky sod. Should remind you that it's your civic duty to whack on a Tubi so everyone else can enjoy it too.

Both cars running sweetly and often, thanks for asking. Took the 360 up to the FOC Spring Ball a couple of weekends ago, via Milton Keynes. Lovely day, all these cars with their windows wound down, and me giving it full @rseholes out of the roundabouts. Made a lot of people very happy judging by all the clapping and encouragement I could see in the rear view. Just think what that would be like in a 355..... Manu's going to sort me out with a Tubi come September when the warranty runs out; it'll be better but it won't touch the F1 howl you get with a Tubi'd 355. BTW, that Spring Ball is a riot.

Ninja, can you please post when you've got the car. The suspense is killing me and I'm sure there are many here who want to enjoy that first Ferrari moment alongside you.

Best wishes and good luck!

Kevin

Lee77

328 posts

246 months

Thursday 2nd May 2002
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noooo....i wish you had not shown me the Koenig site



KOENIG twin-turbo engine
2 turbo-chargers, improved cooling-systems, intercooler, turbo-pistons, intercooler, turbotronic, output up to 520 kW / 700 hp / 685 NM โ‚ฌ 47.000,โ€“

performance:
0-100 km/h 3,9 sec.
0-200 km/h 11,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 11,5 sec.
top speed 330 km/h
driving performance depends on gear ratio


Bennno



Just get the 996 Turbo

bertie

8,322 posts

253 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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Just get the 996 Turbo



But then it wouldn't be a Ferrari!!!

Roadrunner

2,690 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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I wondered why I couldn't find the 996 on Maranello's site.

ninja_eli

1,521 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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Hi Kevin,

I'll definitely post when it arrives. Your absolutely right, its hard to keep concentration on anything but the 355. I keep seeing the numbers 355 on my clock on the pc and on the digital one on the table and I can just feel a involuntary smile kick in!

If I am to stick on a tubi now will it invalidate the warranty? I saw a 360 Spider yesterday near my house in Giallo and another one 3 days ago in Red. Absolutely lovely. Is your 360 a manual or an F1? Its always good to hear that a Ferrari is being driven the way its supposed to!

I think a run down the Hatfield tunnel will be one of the first things I do as soon as I get it! I'll probably end up seeing you there flooring the 360 too!

Regards

456mgt

2,482 posts

235 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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Hi Ninja,
So would that be 3.55am or pm? I don't know if a Tubi will invalidate *your* warranty, so you should check with Graypaul. This is what Maranello's told me. The 550 owner with the Koenig said he had been told the same thing, and that it was rubbish. He's a lawyer, I'm not, and with such an expensive car, I decided not to take the risk. And anyway, I can wait- gives me something to look forward to and the standard exhaust is hardly "excuse me, but would you mind awfully if I overtook you?"

Hatfield tunnel is a must! Once I've been through it, I generally come off the motorway and go back again a couple of times. If you see a red 360 doing this, it's probably me; and if I see a 355 spider doing it I'll know it's you! And mine's a manual- me and the F1 gearbox just didn't get on.

Cheers, and my fingers are still crossed.


Kevin

gavinr

629 posts

236 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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benno

Don't know if it's a publicity shot or not, but there is a reg plate "EHF 1". Bottom of page 131.

Gavin

P.S. do we get to see the 456 at Chatsworth?

bennno

Original Poster:

7,376 posts

238 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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Just seen Evo it is my dk blue 456 in this months mag, shows it in the interior shot and several other pictures with a 'Ferrari approved' type number plate! I should ask for a free subscription, even credits the dealer for their help!

When is chatsworth? If free then will try to come along.

Came back from garage today, went there to get a few odds and sods sorted, came back on a gleaming red lorry with a Ferrari badge on the side...about 20 kids all came for a look, as the whole of the back of the lorry smoothly slid off and parked itself on the ground.

Even came back fully valeted, must think of another excuse to book it in. MHT are the tops.

Bennno

obi

308 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd May 2002
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Nice One Benno
Showed EVO to the missus today and said "this is just like Benno's.....A lot like Benno's.....oh bloody hell it is Benno's.......

Still looks better in the flesh....

P.S. Chatsworth....Sunday 9th June

>> Edited by obi on Friday 3rd May 23:54

>> Edited by obi on Saturday 4th May 23:21

Roadrunner

2,690 posts

236 months

Saturday 4th May 2002
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benno,

Guys in the office were very impressed with your car in this months Evo. They're a hard bunch to please too, being fussy designers. Typical comments were "very classy" and "lovely colour, much better than a red ferraari". Nice one.

flasher

9,224 posts

253 months

Sunday 5th May 2002
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When is chatsworth? If free then will try to come along.




Benno,

Hotel Flasher will be available that weekend, with full garage parking facilities and cheap curry!!

Chatsworth is approx 1 and a half hours from me. If you could stop doing a "Charlie Dimmock" on your garden every bloody weekend you would get out more......

Have a nice time with the decking today mate, I'm off to Silverstone with my roof down

Whoozit

2,340 posts

238 months

Friday 31st May 2002
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Having driven a 355 at Goodwood on a driver's day last year, I have to say I was distinctly underwhelmed although I did only get three laps in it. I certainly couldn't justify the 50k price hike from my Porsche 928. However, the EVO buyer's guide is really starting to annoy me because whenever I see a Ferrari for sale I think "too expensive - but hang on, a 456 is only 50k and is more my sort of car with huuuuge grunt".

I'm starting to see myself being persuaded into a test drive later this year. And I thought a 928 engine rebuild and general maintenance was expensive . . .

bennno

Original Poster:

7,376 posts

238 months

Friday 31st May 2002
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mine was the one used for the evo photo's!

so far its proving great fun, loads of grunt, real feeling of occassion, very controllable and always gets a thumbs up from other road users.

just got a tubi exhaust fitted (sorry manu could not wait until July, what with Le Mans coming up) and now it sounds incredible.

As the article said at 50k they are going to hold their value from here on in. For the same money I was looking (assuming RHD) at a 348, minth 328GTS or Testarossa...its not much of a decision really.

Bennno

Roadrunner

2,690 posts

236 months

Friday 31st May 2002
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Sounds like it's a good place to have some money invested there benno. Fingers crossed you don't have any expensive bills though. It sounds like your generally giving it some stick from your other posts. Some of the guys on here seem to be having trouble paying for repairs to these costly beauties.

bennno

Original Poster:

7,376 posts

238 months

Friday 31st May 2002
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no, driving it fairly sedately in reality. Unlike my 996 you just dont need to rev it to get performance, such is the low down torque of almost 2 3L 911 engines under a single bonnet!

Tail did step out in the wet last weekend, but that was down to me.

Yep fingers crossed for sensible running costs, for sure it is going to cost me more than the Porsche. I would like to think it is going to be no worse than a 50k Tuscan S or Cerbera 4.5 however, as what i should save in depreciation say 15k will hopefully be enough to run it for 3 years.

Bennno