RE: 4 Stroke Redesigned
Discussion
The hydraulic accumulator is a good idea IMO.
Here in the UK we obviously have Dinorwig, and TBH if we're going to go green in this country, it's the sort ofthing we're going to have to invest 10s of billions in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Statio...
One of the things that this thread has made me realise is that we could do something similar probably cheaper, and without the requirement for suitable landscape, which is inherently limiting.
There is no such thing as a bad idea IMO. There are ideas that may not work very well. In general though ideas are a journey. They inspire and trigger thought. They get you from one place to another.
Here in the UK we obviously have Dinorwig, and TBH if we're going to go green in this country, it's the sort ofthing we're going to have to invest 10s of billions in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Statio...
One of the things that this thread has made me realise is that we could do something similar probably cheaper, and without the requirement for suitable landscape, which is inherently limiting.
There is no such thing as a bad idea IMO. There are ideas that may not work very well. In general though ideas are a journey. They inspire and trigger thought. They get you from one place to another.
Google traslate about upper tank Zarnowiec -Poland
http://www.ewz.home.pla/
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrownia_Wodna_%C5...
The tank top is entirely artificial creation. With a total area of 122 ha of usable storage capacity of 13 600 000 m3 water tank is a "battery" of electricity in excess of 3 600 000 kWh. This allows the quantity of water supply for about 5.5 hours of the power system by 716 MW. Max power demand in the region reaches a Pomeranian the size of 600 MW (peak winter evening). A comparison of these two figures gives an idea as a major source of power is hydroelectric power station ¯arnowiec. Re-supplement of water in a tank top requires approximately 6.5 hours of work in four hydrozespo³ów traffic pompowym. The duration of the operation of the plant cycles, resulting from the usable capacity of the reservoir in the statistical average working conditions of the power system, ensure the recovery longest lasting injuries and evening peak. Daily fluctuations in water level in a tank top, arising from the cyclical operation of the plant amounts to 16 m. The quantity of earth moved was 4 800 000 m3.
Four steel water pipelines leading to derywacyjne Pompo-turbines have a length of 1,100 meters each and are divided into eight sections. Their diameter varies from 7,100 mm at the chamber inlet to 5400 mm in the gym. The thickness of sheet steel used in their construction changes accordingly, from 15 to 32 mm. Pipeline route is divided into eight sections, which are supported on fixed and mobile supports. For the construction of pipelines used 18,500 tonnes of high quality steel with higher strength. The maximum water flow of four pipelines is 700 m3 / s, or as many as the average annual flow of the Vistula River in the vicinity of Warsaw.
Operation of the plant is fully automated and run off and individual hydrozespo³ów is executed remotely from the National Power Applications in Warsaw. In addition, the remote Dispatcher National Power Applications regulates the capacity of the plant oddawanej by hydrozespo³y working in the turbine. Hydrozespo³y allow smooth adjustment of power in the so-called. Automatically adjusting power and frequency: ARCM within the limits of 120 MW to 190 MW. As a result, it allows you to cover 90% of the entire scope of regulatory power in the range of 60 to 716 MW - is great for improving the technical parameters - motor power. A total of a year hydrozespo³y work about 8 000 hours, and within days of each hydrozespo³ów runs on average twice what gives the total annual amount of the riots, about 3000 times.
Only 100 m level difference
Regards Andrew
http://www.ewz.home.pla/
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrownia_Wodna_%C5...
The tank top is entirely artificial creation. With a total area of 122 ha of usable storage capacity of 13 600 000 m3 water tank is a "battery" of electricity in excess of 3 600 000 kWh. This allows the quantity of water supply for about 5.5 hours of the power system by 716 MW. Max power demand in the region reaches a Pomeranian the size of 600 MW (peak winter evening). A comparison of these two figures gives an idea as a major source of power is hydroelectric power station ¯arnowiec. Re-supplement of water in a tank top requires approximately 6.5 hours of work in four hydrozespo³ów traffic pompowym. The duration of the operation of the plant cycles, resulting from the usable capacity of the reservoir in the statistical average working conditions of the power system, ensure the recovery longest lasting injuries and evening peak. Daily fluctuations in water level in a tank top, arising from the cyclical operation of the plant amounts to 16 m. The quantity of earth moved was 4 800 000 m3.
Four steel water pipelines leading to derywacyjne Pompo-turbines have a length of 1,100 meters each and are divided into eight sections. Their diameter varies from 7,100 mm at the chamber inlet to 5400 mm in the gym. The thickness of sheet steel used in their construction changes accordingly, from 15 to 32 mm. Pipeline route is divided into eight sections, which are supported on fixed and mobile supports. For the construction of pipelines used 18,500 tonnes of high quality steel with higher strength. The maximum water flow of four pipelines is 700 m3 / s, or as many as the average annual flow of the Vistula River in the vicinity of Warsaw.
Operation of the plant is fully automated and run off and individual hydrozespo³ów is executed remotely from the National Power Applications in Warsaw. In addition, the remote Dispatcher National Power Applications regulates the capacity of the plant oddawanej by hydrozespo³y working in the turbine. Hydrozespo³y allow smooth adjustment of power in the so-called. Automatically adjusting power and frequency: ARCM within the limits of 120 MW to 190 MW. As a result, it allows you to cover 90% of the entire scope of regulatory power in the range of 60 to 716 MW - is great for improving the technical parameters - motor power. A total of a year hydrozespo³y work about 8 000 hours, and within days of each hydrozespo³ów runs on average twice what gives the total annual amount of the riots, about 3000 times.
Only 100 m level difference
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Wednesday 28th September 10:42
Edited by Feliks on Sunday 12th August 09:46
Feliks said:
Are you know flywheel ? Big flywheel make concrete. And add hydraulic accumulator. 
All gearbox have no more efficient as efficient hydraulic gear. Everything it depends on tubes .Big diameter tube -big efficient.
Andrew
Yes I understand how a flywheel operates and I understand how it would be beneficial in maintaining smooth motion of the 'piston'.All gearbox have no more efficient as efficient hydraulic gear. Everything it depends on tubes .Big diameter tube -big efficient.
Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Saturday 6th December 16:11
However my concern lies not with the piston moving smoothly, but how the flow is being generated by the pump, as the piston reaches the end of its stroke due to the crank shaft motion it decelerates and as a result the flow decelerates and eventually stops as you hit end of stroke.
When the piston begins to cycle in the opposite direction it will begin to accelerate slowly until reaching peak flow and then decelerate again.
The accumulator will assist to some degree, but the output flow average will be equivalent not to just the displacement of the pump, but the phase differential between the stoke and end of stroke cycles and will be approximately 50%. This effectively makes the pump larger for a given displacement/desired flow rate. Additionally the accumulator is needed to stabalise the system adding cost and the increased displacement for flow, plus the crank mechanism increase the physical size of the pump and cost due to the extra material and components.
The flow will oscillate like a big spike, therefore amplifying the load differentials the ricardo company describes. If you were to somehow phase shift the load differential relative to the piston stroke the loads would balance, but it would not generate any power as the wind mill would stall.
With regards to your other design, linear motors/generators are not a new idea and have been around a long time.
The problem from a wind turbine perspective that I have observed is the crank motion along with the height of the Wind mill (usually 30-60m) and the up and down oscillating motion will cause the top of the wind mill to oscillate left and right perpendicular to the crank motion and will be amplified by the shifting mass. Possibly causing the windmill to break.
They use a technique similar to this in high rise buildings which are affected by strong winds to stop them from falling over, in reverese effectively.
The gearboxes are added for a reason, the power produced is AC, and will be either 50 or 60Hz (depending on the country). This frequency needs to be maintained to supply the power correctly otherwise it disrupts the network, that is the main purpose of the gearbox to regulate the speed of the motor mechanically given the wind speed and then the output load is regulated to ensure that the windmill remains at that constant speed to maintain the frequency.
I understand that you wish to use DC generation and a variable displacement motor to regulate the speed, but for large scale deployment DC generation is too inefficient and unreliable.
Don't get me wrong here, I commend that you are attempting to come up with new ways and methods of doing something. Just that your current ideas listed above are not practical for real world applications.
annodomini2 said:
Yes I understand how a flywheel operates and I understand how it would be beneficial in maintaining smooth motion of the 'piston'.
However my concern lies not with the piston moving smoothly, but how the flow is being generated by the pump, as the piston reaches the end of its stroke due to the crank shaft motion it decelerates and as a result the flow decelerates and eventually stops as you hit end of stroke.
When the piston begins to cycle in the opposite direction it will begin to accelerate slowly until reaching peak flow and then decelerate again.
The accumulator will assist to some degree, but the output flow average will be equivalent not to just the displacement of the pump, but the phase differential between the stoke and end of stroke cycles and will be approximately 50%. This effectively makes the pump larger for a given displacement/desired flow rate. Additionally the accumulator is needed to stabalise the system adding cost and the increased displacement for flow, plus the crank mechanism increase the physical size of the pump and cost due to the extra material and components.
The flow will oscillate like a big spike, therefore amplifying the load differentials the ricardo company describes. If you were to somehow phase shift the load differential relative to the piston stroke the loads would balance, but it would not generate any power as the wind mill would stall.
With regards to your other design, linear motors/generators are not a new idea and have been around a long time.
Don't get me wrong here, I commend that you are attempting to come up with new ways and methods of doing something. Just that your current ideas listed above are not practical for real world applications.
Nihil nove sub sole.However my concern lies not with the piston moving smoothly, but how the flow is being generated by the pump, as the piston reaches the end of its stroke due to the crank shaft motion it decelerates and as a result the flow decelerates and eventually stops as you hit end of stroke.
When the piston begins to cycle in the opposite direction it will begin to accelerate slowly until reaching peak flow and then decelerate again.
The accumulator will assist to some degree, but the output flow average will be equivalent not to just the displacement of the pump, but the phase differential between the stoke and end of stroke cycles and will be approximately 50%. This effectively makes the pump larger for a given displacement/desired flow rate. Additionally the accumulator is needed to stabalise the system adding cost and the increased displacement for flow, plus the crank mechanism increase the physical size of the pump and cost due to the extra material and components.
The flow will oscillate like a big spike, therefore amplifying the load differentials the ricardo company describes. If you were to somehow phase shift the load differential relative to the piston stroke the loads would balance, but it would not generate any power as the wind mill would stall.
With regards to your other design, linear motors/generators are not a new idea and have been around a long time.
Don't get me wrong here, I commend that you are attempting to come up with new ways and methods of doing something. Just that your current ideas listed above are not practical for real world applications.
Star hydraulic or oscillating dynamo.
Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Friday 12th December 12:26
Only 80 m height .
Zydowo Pumped-storage Power Station
The first conception of such power station was prepared as early as in 1932. Nine years later, the project was ready and implied creating a 45 MW power station equipped with two pumps 16 MW each. Work on that project was resumed in the 50 s.
According to the plan from 1957, the power station was to be equipped with turbines, pumps and frontal weir. In 1961 a preliminary project was ready and soon work started. In 1964 a 220/110 kV network station was built, and a contract for deliveries of turbines was signed with Skoda Pilzno a year later.
The scale of the enterprise can be described with the following numbers: earth work 1,2 mln m3, concrete work 70 thousand m3, asphalt expansion 26 km.
The power station started to work in 1971. It includes a filtering dam on the River Radew (50 m long, 6,3 m high), water intake chamber for feeder pipelines (18,5 m high). Lake Kamienno is the upper reservoir (its maximum area 100 minimum area 78 ha, capacity 3,30 mln m3), and Lake Kwiecko, situated 80 m below, is the lower reservoir (maximum area 140 ha, capacity 3,30 mln m3).
Maximum flow through the pipelines from the upper to the lower reservoir (where the River Radew starts) is 240 m3/s, maximum fall 82,70 m. Derivation: one working canal 1316 m long, concrete, 12 m wide at the bottom, 9 m deep, flow 240 m3/s, water speed 2,2 m/s; 2 steel pipelines 560-450 cm in diameter, 3 x 467 running metre long, weight 4140 ton. The power station has got two reversible Francis runners and one classic Francis runner, which produce power of 156 MW altogether. The power of the pumps is 2 x 68,0 MW.
Regards Andrew
Zydowo Pumped-storage Power Station
The first conception of such power station was prepared as early as in 1932. Nine years later, the project was ready and implied creating a 45 MW power station equipped with two pumps 16 MW each. Work on that project was resumed in the 50 s.
According to the plan from 1957, the power station was to be equipped with turbines, pumps and frontal weir. In 1961 a preliminary project was ready and soon work started. In 1964 a 220/110 kV network station was built, and a contract for deliveries of turbines was signed with Skoda Pilzno a year later.
The scale of the enterprise can be described with the following numbers: earth work 1,2 mln m3, concrete work 70 thousand m3, asphalt expansion 26 km.
The power station started to work in 1971. It includes a filtering dam on the River Radew (50 m long, 6,3 m high), water intake chamber for feeder pipelines (18,5 m high). Lake Kamienno is the upper reservoir (its maximum area 100 minimum area 78 ha, capacity 3,30 mln m3), and Lake Kwiecko, situated 80 m below, is the lower reservoir (maximum area 140 ha, capacity 3,30 mln m3).
Maximum flow through the pipelines from the upper to the lower reservoir (where the River Radew starts) is 240 m3/s, maximum fall 82,70 m. Derivation: one working canal 1316 m long, concrete, 12 m wide at the bottom, 9 m deep, flow 240 m3/s, water speed 2,2 m/s; 2 steel pipelines 560-450 cm in diameter, 3 x 467 running metre long, weight 4140 ton. The power station has got two reversible Francis runners and one classic Francis runner, which produce power of 156 MW altogether. The power of the pumps is 2 x 68,0 MW.
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Monday 22 December 03:58
Some advantages "cylinder/piston"design:
1.
Significant smallest mass a lot turning, but that goes behind it, masses of inertia are small for such such array. For example, for one kit one ( four cylinder ) only rod.
Due to capability behind assistance of joint in pivot of crush many cylinder, for 16 even " cylinder ", one remains further only rod.
Mass is put in majority also near pivot of turn " crush " very, that causes that power of inertia are relatively small .
Theoretical exemplar it on inertie :
Largeness depends on pivot in square on distance . But main mass is concentrated this "piston" pivot of turn near , rally will be relatively small inertia.
In amount, waste of mass so significant reflexive , for the same jumping capacity of conventional engine and my, boost of physical efficiency causes, but that goes for decrease of expenditure of fuel it.
Facility of cooling of crush also, through feeding of water by pivot of turn of crush, and then, excellent cooling , it makes it possible boost of degree of compressing ( proficiency ), but, at low emission NOx.
All these above-mentioned advantages, they cause that this solution has better physical proficiency has significantly, than conventional .
2.
Considerable advantage of such solution, easiest technology of execution is about many "piston/cylinder ". Cylinder, it does not need exact processing very, as nothing slides after it, it can be executed as extracted from aluminum profile , in ready for service version .Accuracy of execution is in this case completely enough. Inaccidentally of aluminum cast, there would be ready without no engine processing for use it .
However, it requires "piston" on generall purpose machines polishing only.
This technology is cheapest about many, than hitherto existing, it required which (proceeding ,polishing) machine.General repair of engine relies on exchange also only seals, "piston" and ball bearings, without taking out crakcase .
3.
And most important advantage
All can be closed in this engine type ball bearings.It signifies with solid lubrication in means. (the same type as in wheel of cars ball bearings). So, all can work without traditional oil. Possibly, crunching requires oiling crush of /cylinder only. But it to very minimal amount, because crunching only just.
If we will employ array on piston e.g. Teflon- (surface of piston only) stainless steel,
ceramic - stainless steel, or ceramic -ceramic(lubrication water),or similar arrays, it will work without oil engine completely oiling.For diesels, I think, that it will enough oiling diesel fuel .
Thus, whole crank case, it can be opened completely and there to be cooled swimming air.
4.
Due to outsized margin of "piston in cylinder", any kind of deforming thermal or mechanical, will not have critical meanings as conventional engines so .
This my solution has such advantages in generality " cylinder/piston "
Regards Andrew
1.
Significant smallest mass a lot turning, but that goes behind it, masses of inertia are small for such such array. For example, for one kit one ( four cylinder ) only rod.
Due to capability behind assistance of joint in pivot of crush many cylinder, for 16 even " cylinder ", one remains further only rod.
Mass is put in majority also near pivot of turn " crush " very, that causes that power of inertia are relatively small .
Theoretical exemplar it on inertie :
Largeness depends on pivot in square on distance . But main mass is concentrated this "piston" pivot of turn near , rally will be relatively small inertia.
In amount, waste of mass so significant reflexive , for the same jumping capacity of conventional engine and my, boost of physical efficiency causes, but that goes for decrease of expenditure of fuel it.
Facility of cooling of crush also, through feeding of water by pivot of turn of crush, and then, excellent cooling , it makes it possible boost of degree of compressing ( proficiency ), but, at low emission NOx.
All these above-mentioned advantages, they cause that this solution has better physical proficiency has significantly, than conventional .
2.
Considerable advantage of such solution, easiest technology of execution is about many "piston/cylinder ". Cylinder, it does not need exact processing very, as nothing slides after it, it can be executed as extracted from aluminum profile , in ready for service version .Accuracy of execution is in this case completely enough. Inaccidentally of aluminum cast, there would be ready without no engine processing for use it .
However, it requires "piston" on generall purpose machines polishing only.
This technology is cheapest about many, than hitherto existing, it required which (proceeding ,polishing) machine.General repair of engine relies on exchange also only seals, "piston" and ball bearings, without taking out crakcase .
3.
And most important advantage
All can be closed in this engine type ball bearings.It signifies with solid lubrication in means. (the same type as in wheel of cars ball bearings). So, all can work without traditional oil. Possibly, crunching requires oiling crush of /cylinder only. But it to very minimal amount, because crunching only just.
If we will employ array on piston e.g. Teflon- (surface of piston only) stainless steel,
ceramic - stainless steel, or ceramic -ceramic(lubrication water),or similar arrays, it will work without oil engine completely oiling.For diesels, I think, that it will enough oiling diesel fuel .
Thus, whole crank case, it can be opened completely and there to be cooled swimming air.
4.
Due to outsized margin of "piston in cylinder", any kind of deforming thermal or mechanical, will not have critical meanings as conventional engines so .
This my solution has such advantages in generality " cylinder/piston "
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Wednesday 7th January 22:26
Opposite too RB211 engine:
60 „cylinder” star half rotate engine parameters:
Diesel engine, sum 250-liter work volume, 4000 RPM,
20 000 KW, 170 g/KWh.--- 5,8 KW/ KG, full power: 3,5 Ton /h
250 L / 15 =16 liter work /4 cylinder x 2 = ~~ 32 liter full cylinder volume dimmer
long cylinder about 300 mm .(3 dcm), 32 / 3 = 10,5 dcm^2 S cylinder
10,5 / 3, 14 = 3,34 (r^2) r = sqrt 3,34 =1,8 dcm (180 mm) d cylinder = 360 mm
Sum D = 900 mm , long =1200 mm, d cylinder = 360 mm
V all engine = 4,5 x 4,5 =20,25 x 3,14 =53,5 (S dcm) x 12 =642 dcm^3
All weight (aluminum) 642 liter –250 liter =392 liter x 3,5 KG =1372 KG ( 1,37 Ton max weight) ~ ~ ~ ~ 2 Tones weight. . And birds no afraid
Regards Andrew
P.s. If you need next 60 cylinders in left side ??
60 „cylinder” star half rotate engine parameters:
Diesel engine, sum 250-liter work volume, 4000 RPM,
20 000 KW, 170 g/KWh.--- 5,8 KW/ KG, full power: 3,5 Ton /h
250 L / 15 =16 liter work /4 cylinder x 2 = ~~ 32 liter full cylinder volume dimmer
long cylinder about 300 mm .(3 dcm), 32 / 3 = 10,5 dcm^2 S cylinder
10,5 / 3, 14 = 3,34 (r^2) r = sqrt 3,34 =1,8 dcm (180 mm) d cylinder = 360 mm
Sum D = 900 mm , long =1200 mm, d cylinder = 360 mm
V all engine = 4,5 x 4,5 =20,25 x 3,14 =53,5 (S dcm) x 12 =642 dcm^3
All weight (aluminum) 642 liter –250 liter =392 liter x 3,5 KG =1372 KG ( 1,37 Ton max weight) ~ ~ ~ ~ 2 Tones weight. . And birds no afraid
Regards Andrew
P.s. If you need next 60 cylinders in left side ??
In my latest solving the oscillatory dynamo, a diode who exchanged the changeable oscillatory electricity for the electricity about the permanent polarity was crucial element
Such an element fulfilling identical functions as the diode exists in the hydraulics of theses. There is a valve one-sidedly letting it in to water. it is opening for example only then when the pressure from the feeding side exceeds certain described by the threshold e.g. 10 bars. When the pressure is on the feeding side it is smaller, the valve is closing it oneself. and doesn't allow for moving back waters.
The principles of operation are the same like at pumping the bicycle wheel up with pump, but will refer to water. In this way we can hold. in the pipeline pressure e.g. 10 bars, and from leaking out of the pipeline who will be above the pump e.g. 100 metres will be sailing out water.
The one straight line I decided to use the principle for the production of the electric current with the help of sea waves. Although he is supposed to produce the electricity, it is being imported these are for inflating the problem waters sea into the container with water sea e.g. to height 100 of metres, or similar (e.g. on high cifie bank). The rest is known and professionally made as the normal power station aqueous, but in this case she will be to sea brine. isn't buying it special one should actually solve the difference, only a matter of the precipitated corrosion .
Particularly that such a very similar solution was already on an island applied Okinawa, in the version of the power station pumped storage (but pumping into the container with the help of the electric energy- classic pumped storage).
Into my to pump the version this brine there will be sea waves driving water pumps with valves with diodes into the container Leaking in water only in direction of the container. pipes from pumps into the container will also have middle diameter, in order to in the time of whom from valves, not to waste the energy from different good pumps. Unfortunately the number can reach such pipes even 1000, at the productivity every e.g. 1 m^ 3 / sec.
But by it we can get the power of such a power station 1000 of the MW .
Costs of making such a power station will also be smaller, since for her devices won't have to pump water into the container how it is in classical power stations of this type. Machines will be so like by a normal hydroelectric power plant straight lines and no high cost.
http://www.new4stroke.com/salt%20water%20pumped%20...
Also shortened descriptions Polish pumped - storage to slight differences of the water levels (100 m) is describing http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... or
http://www.new4stroke.com/plants.pdf
Gross from many centuries of coasts England and Ireland they were attacked by marine waves .
People built obstacle for these waves sometimes, that they did not prevent from life on islands.
I think that would end this immemorial war goods , and invite this ocean on coast, but that it is high, it belongs it help. It belongs to take advantage it waves, in order to they pumped on its high coast of water.
I think, so around England shall made this power plant
More belongs to place in ocean for water pomp e.g.
pistons type , or my idea half rotate, which will drive usual floats clinched for they behind assistance of rope. Ordinary belongs to place behind each pump bolts, which will be opened e.g. at 10 kG/cm2 (Acting similar for diode I my oscillating dynamo) and which for collect tubes for reservoir on high coast miss water drive it.
Collecting tube should for example for flow 1 m3/sec 0,6 m have diameter.
For achievement in such this collecting tube of flow 1 m3/sec and 10 bar , requirement 12 pump wanted for transport water on according to following specification 100 m height too reservoir.
Pump reconciles, for simplification about normal piston, should have 0,6 m diameter, and 3 m of height. During average jump of rippling 2 m, it will give during one cycle for composite tube 0,5 m3 water pushed (S= 28 dcm2 H= 20 dcm (2 meter) = 560 dcm3 (liter). For set up flow 1 m3, TWO such pumps should pump for collecting tube.
Taking into consideration that the peak of wave used to the work is coming every 6 seconds one should multiply the score through 6
For proper fabrication of pressure on exit of pump ( set up 10 bar ), wanted proper swimmer is.
There is simple account surface of piston of pump will together page (S) x 100 surface of swimmer.
In my example, surface of piston of pump it 28 dcm2, it signifies that swimmer)should have 2800 dcm2. In order to swimmer had such surfaces, it must have 20 m diameter, and definitely 1 m of height. It needs one kit about 12 pumps 12 swimmers 20 m each diameter, or about dimension one swimmer 12 x28 m2= 336 m2.
For behaviour some reasonable spans, it is possible to accept, that for such array for production capacity 1 m3/sec 10 bar, wanted near 700 m2 place rippling sea .
Need for continuous supplying tank for power station theoretically 700 m3/s (716 MW , 100 m height ) requirement 700 x 700m2 = 490000 m2 rippling sea . It is theoretically only 700 m x 700 m !, when 2 m average heights of waves.
Here, mathematical enumeration same only:
To 1m3/ sec
1 m^3/sec 10 bar(H=100m ), 600 mm diameter pipe and piston pump, S= 28 dcm2 Hwave= 20 dcm (2 meter) = 560 dcm3 (litre) for 1 m3 need 2 piece . but period are 6 sec , sum 6x 2 = 12 piece pump .
S pump= 28 dcm2 , 10 bar, F =28 T, Hfloat >1m, S float ~~=2800 dcm2 (28 m2) , D float =~~20m
12 piece x28m2 =336 m2 ~~ =100m x 7m using area =700 m2
700 MW (700 m3/sec), H=100m
700 m2 x 700 = 350000 m2 . ~~700m x 700m area of wave
As elements are presented from marine waves over system production current professional , they are built in the world already and test, additional requirement of experience for their building not.
Another, very important information in relation to the system. System the one should be only as storage, rather than storage-pumped what significantly the height of investments will lower in comparing to current answers. Costs will only be so like for an ordinary hydroelectric power plant
Only water pumps with valves (diode) can so that touch up still and selected materials. but in general, it is piston pump known for the antiquity. Summing up, mechanical problems are solved, and with the appropriate swing one should only build such a power station.
The degree of the safety of such containers will also be very high, since put very close the sea, in case of the breakdown of unsealing, they won't cause heavy losses, since water quickly will find its way back to the sea.
I think that wonderful geographical conditions will permit on high cliff Scotland England and Ireland, to build such containers into whom sea, highest waves will be pumping brine on average in world a lot. it means that the efficiency of such a system will be most effective in world, and therefore built containers should be around these countries what in the future can guarantee the green energy for all countries Europium.
Regards Andrew
Such an element fulfilling identical functions as the diode exists in the hydraulics of theses. There is a valve one-sidedly letting it in to water. it is opening for example only then when the pressure from the feeding side exceeds certain described by the threshold e.g. 10 bars. When the pressure is on the feeding side it is smaller, the valve is closing it oneself. and doesn't allow for moving back waters.
The principles of operation are the same like at pumping the bicycle wheel up with pump, but will refer to water. In this way we can hold. in the pipeline pressure e.g. 10 bars, and from leaking out of the pipeline who will be above the pump e.g. 100 metres will be sailing out water.
The one straight line I decided to use the principle for the production of the electric current with the help of sea waves. Although he is supposed to produce the electricity, it is being imported these are for inflating the problem waters sea into the container with water sea e.g. to height 100 of metres, or similar (e.g. on high cifie bank). The rest is known and professionally made as the normal power station aqueous, but in this case she will be to sea brine. isn't buying it special one should actually solve the difference, only a matter of the precipitated corrosion .
Particularly that such a very similar solution was already on an island applied Okinawa, in the version of the power station pumped storage (but pumping into the container with the help of the electric energy- classic pumped storage).
Into my to pump the version this brine there will be sea waves driving water pumps with valves with diodes into the container Leaking in water only in direction of the container. pipes from pumps into the container will also have middle diameter, in order to in the time of whom from valves, not to waste the energy from different good pumps. Unfortunately the number can reach such pipes even 1000, at the productivity every e.g. 1 m^ 3 / sec.
But by it we can get the power of such a power station 1000 of the MW .
Costs of making such a power station will also be smaller, since for her devices won't have to pump water into the container how it is in classical power stations of this type. Machines will be so like by a normal hydroelectric power plant straight lines and no high cost.
http://www.new4stroke.com/salt%20water%20pumped%20...
Also shortened descriptions Polish pumped - storage to slight differences of the water levels (100 m) is describing http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... or
http://www.new4stroke.com/plants.pdf
Gross from many centuries of coasts England and Ireland they were attacked by marine waves .
People built obstacle for these waves sometimes, that they did not prevent from life on islands.
I think that would end this immemorial war goods , and invite this ocean on coast, but that it is high, it belongs it help. It belongs to take advantage it waves, in order to they pumped on its high coast of water.
I think, so around England shall made this power plant
More belongs to place in ocean for water pomp e.g.
pistons type , or my idea half rotate, which will drive usual floats clinched for they behind assistance of rope. Ordinary belongs to place behind each pump bolts, which will be opened e.g. at 10 kG/cm2 (Acting similar for diode I my oscillating dynamo) and which for collect tubes for reservoir on high coast miss water drive it.
Collecting tube should for example for flow 1 m3/sec 0,6 m have diameter.
For achievement in such this collecting tube of flow 1 m3/sec and 10 bar , requirement 12 pump wanted for transport water on according to following specification 100 m height too reservoir.
Pump reconciles, for simplification about normal piston, should have 0,6 m diameter, and 3 m of height. During average jump of rippling 2 m, it will give during one cycle for composite tube 0,5 m3 water pushed (S= 28 dcm2 H= 20 dcm (2 meter) = 560 dcm3 (liter). For set up flow 1 m3, TWO such pumps should pump for collecting tube.
Taking into consideration that the peak of wave used to the work is coming every 6 seconds one should multiply the score through 6
For proper fabrication of pressure on exit of pump ( set up 10 bar ), wanted proper swimmer is.
There is simple account surface of piston of pump will together page (S) x 100 surface of swimmer.
In my example, surface of piston of pump it 28 dcm2, it signifies that swimmer)should have 2800 dcm2. In order to swimmer had such surfaces, it must have 20 m diameter, and definitely 1 m of height. It needs one kit about 12 pumps 12 swimmers 20 m each diameter, or about dimension one swimmer 12 x28 m2= 336 m2.
For behaviour some reasonable spans, it is possible to accept, that for such array for production capacity 1 m3/sec 10 bar, wanted near 700 m2 place rippling sea .
Need for continuous supplying tank for power station theoretically 700 m3/s (716 MW , 100 m height ) requirement 700 x 700m2 = 490000 m2 rippling sea . It is theoretically only 700 m x 700 m !, when 2 m average heights of waves.
Here, mathematical enumeration same only:
To 1m3/ sec
1 m^3/sec 10 bar(H=100m ), 600 mm diameter pipe and piston pump, S= 28 dcm2 Hwave= 20 dcm (2 meter) = 560 dcm3 (litre) for 1 m3 need 2 piece . but period are 6 sec , sum 6x 2 = 12 piece pump .
S pump= 28 dcm2 , 10 bar, F =28 T, Hfloat >1m, S float ~~=2800 dcm2 (28 m2) , D float =~~20m
12 piece x28m2 =336 m2 ~~ =100m x 7m using area =700 m2
700 MW (700 m3/sec), H=100m
700 m2 x 700 = 350000 m2 . ~~700m x 700m area of wave
As elements are presented from marine waves over system production current professional , they are built in the world already and test, additional requirement of experience for their building not.
Another, very important information in relation to the system. System the one should be only as storage, rather than storage-pumped what significantly the height of investments will lower in comparing to current answers. Costs will only be so like for an ordinary hydroelectric power plant
Only water pumps with valves (diode) can so that touch up still and selected materials. but in general, it is piston pump known for the antiquity. Summing up, mechanical problems are solved, and with the appropriate swing one should only build such a power station.
The degree of the safety of such containers will also be very high, since put very close the sea, in case of the breakdown of unsealing, they won't cause heavy losses, since water quickly will find its way back to the sea.
I think that wonderful geographical conditions will permit on high cliff Scotland England and Ireland, to build such containers into whom sea, highest waves will be pumping brine on average in world a lot. it means that the efficiency of such a system will be most effective in world, and therefore built containers should be around these countries what in the future can guarantee the green energy for all countries Europium.
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Thursday 26th March 14:46
Above I described power stations to Zarnowiec about the power of 720 megawatts, and the size of her upper container
But this size of the container will suffice for the cycle 5.5 an hour long, that is through 5.5 hour we can receive 720 megawatts of the power. But if the productivity of pumped sea water is sufficient, for keeping the fluidity of the move cycle 2 hour will be enough for us an hour long.
Then about such a size we can obtain 2000 MW from the container .A by supporting the stormy weather even 4000 MW, if installed devices will let it.
On shallow water it is necessary to use half- rotate of the pump .
In of Ewas to Zarnowiec at present the employed is 114 - here with it:
three members of the management board,
29 engineering-technical employees,
59 paid housemen hourly,
9 economic employees,
10 administrative attendants.
Regards Andrew
But this size of the container will suffice for the cycle 5.5 an hour long, that is through 5.5 hour we can receive 720 megawatts of the power. But if the productivity of pumped sea water is sufficient, for keeping the fluidity of the move cycle 2 hour will be enough for us an hour long.
Then about such a size we can obtain 2000 MW from the container .A by supporting the stormy weather even 4000 MW, if installed devices will let it.
On shallow water it is necessary to use half- rotate of the pump .
In of Ewas to Zarnowiec at present the employed is 114 - here with it:
three members of the management board,
29 engineering-technical employees,
59 paid housemen hourly,
9 economic employees,
10 administrative attendants.
Regards Andrew
In normal piston pump, we have two elements definition pumps – diameter of piston and stroke piston In half rotate pump we have too same elements: diameter “piston” and long “piston” and additional important possible regulations TORQUE of drive pump on arm with some hole... This same on crankshaft side
This regulation are without additional gear .
Some adwantages:
For salt water I think better solution made all this pump PCW , or ABS, or propose - ceramic
Or to exchange these holes for the smoothly regulated shoulder e.g. with stepping motor driving the thread.....
It is the simplest manner of the fluid adjustment of the productivity of the pump .
Really the new system could replace the traditional injection pomp (pistons) of Diesel of the type Bosch???
Regards Andrew
Maby hydraulic servo for helms in aircraft ????
This regulation are without additional gear .
Some adwantages:
For salt water I think better solution made all this pump PCW , or ABS, or propose - ceramic
Or to exchange these holes for the smoothly regulated shoulder e.g. with stepping motor driving the thread.....
It is the simplest manner of the fluid adjustment of the productivity of the pump .
Really the new system could replace the traditional injection pomp (pistons) of Diesel of the type Bosch???
Regards Andrew
Maby hydraulic servo for helms in aircraft ????
atom290 said:
Would the engine work in the horizontal?
The idea of a boxer engine is the crank is in the middle, and and so the engine is in balance as the flywheel will be in the middle also.
But if the main crank was off-set then would it still work? I suppose you could use a clever transfer box??
BMW K-series bikes had this setup in the 80's/90's.The idea of a boxer engine is the crank is in the middle, and and so the engine is in balance as the flywheel will be in the middle also.
But if the main crank was off-set then would it still work? I suppose you could use a clever transfer box??
Whether American landscape views will appear on Nord Atlantic? Every so water sphere about the capacity of 2000 m 3, and the height 100 m can give power 10 MW for 3 minutes. If filling pumps water with the one I believe loss is managing to fill waters up, we will have it 10 MW driven with sea waves of the electric power.
Building 100 such pieces believe power 1000 of the MW will give it to us it is so much, how many two small atomic power stations. But obvisious it will be green energy. So far windmills only had so for faith, and perhaps now will be finished with the Sphere?
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6E5
http://www.worldstallestwatersphere.com/?cat=4
http://taylortank.com/default.aspx
Regards Andrew
Building 100 such pieces believe power 1000 of the MW will give it to us it is so much, how many two small atomic power stations. But obvisious it will be green energy. So far windmills only had so for faith, and perhaps now will be finished with the Sphere?
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6E5
http://www.worldstallestwatersphere.com/?cat=4
http://taylortank.com/default.aspx
Regards Andrew
dinkel said:
Looks a bit like an idea from my 80s drawingboard: opposite boxer engine with two crankshafts at the side . . . and sparkplugs on top: 0–]#[–0
Would be heavy . . . like this one.
The issue very much often raised, important for aviation :Would be heavy . . . like this one.
Yeah I just wanted to clarify this matter of the weight "be greater" for my solution.
She is very often raised, as the lack of the advantage of my engine.
And it is of course the untrue, but intellectual ‘box’ are ordering to think so, that it is a truth.
As a token of it I did taking off the weight on which I put the valve with the spring and spring retainer(witout retainer locks) diametef full phi 32 mm ( diameter canal 30 mm),
And I other side Piston , rod, pin,and two rings diameter 38 mm , what is a greater dimension than a valve has him considerably.
In spite of it, in the photograph done by me clearly one can see, that much he is heavier unite the valve.
If not you believe, go to scrap, find and take the piston with the connecting rod from the old lawnmower and about the same diameter valve with the spring from some car engine.. I think that you will be not having to use scales, because after taken into one hand piston, and into second of valve, you will be sure knew what was heavier.
If now will add to the moving weight of valve ( the reciprocating mass) rocker arm, mecanical regulations of clearance valve (or very heavy hydraulic valve lifter( tappet)) taped (ewentualy push rod). it sure it will turn out that the weight of the valve is twice as bigger from set piston –rod same diameter.
However, that's not all in relation to the weight.
He is reaching to valves static weight so things like valve quide in heads, and rocker arm shaft.
One should also add the weight not chosen materials of the head, about the diameter piston. and lengths of his cylinder.
For lowering static mass of the engine one should add the lack bolts for screwing the head, since altogether cylinders around wit cylinder valves it is possible easily to make one-piece steel out, and then aren't needed bolts to the head together with threaded with their nests.
Adding this static reducing the weight, we receive altogether the piston valve is three times lighter than the traditional valve.!!
And greatest loss of engine mass.Piston valves mass, at the same diameter like valves, they cause that he is arriving about 15 % of jumping volume of the engine. That is mass of the engine is also reducing about 15 %.
In net part all about termal efficiency.I am only attention, so most important in combustion chamber, are TEMPERATURE elements.
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Saturday 18th April 15:32
All detail about photo:
Poped Valve : weight only poped,springs,taper all 176,5 Gram.
Diameter 32 mm
diameter open gap 28,5 mm.
Piston with rods, pin, two rings , weight 160,5 Gram
Diameter 38 mm - it's 25% more poped in diameter( some weight are they grow with the square of the radius) . Gap 38 mm .
Such a difference, that for the stability, one should add the biggest weight from the set to this scale
Andrew
Poped Valve : weight only poped,springs,taper all 176,5 Gram.
Diameter 32 mm
diameter open gap 28,5 mm.
Piston with rods, pin, two rings , weight 160,5 Gram
Diameter 38 mm - it's 25% more poped in diameter( some weight are they grow with the square of the radius) . Gap 38 mm .
Such a difference, that for the stability, one should add the biggest weight from the set to this scale
Andrew
And now small warning for future designers of my idea engine. What problems clearly apparently they will have to deal with. It is an effect of ten-times increasing the power in relation to the mass-produced fiat.126 engine. During this attempt turnovers didn't exceed 3500 RPM one can see , but effects
Shows it has become with polished rod on photo .It color has been changed on result of temperature on bearing on blue .Of course, at present everything is exchanged and the engine is sending for the demonstration of his work.
Regards Andrew
Shows it has become with polished rod on photo .It color has been changed on result of temperature on bearing on blue .Of course, at present everything is exchanged and the engine is sending for the demonstration of his work.
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Monday 11th May 23:56
Yes, at the animated film he doesn't have the outlet pipe and intake. In every traditional engine such pipes are and it is about dimensions very much determined which they have very much a large impact to ultimate parameters of engines. In this structure of the phenomenon occurring in pipes are much more intense than in traditional engines, because of opening and shutting a ports are during max speeds of pistons. At such violent opening, phenomena resonase are very strong. One should in detail work them out.. I applied such phenomena in my engine, having some given from one man worked Peenemunde under Werner Von Braun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kaaden
Kadenacky was a forerunner .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_chamber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadenacy_effect
I designed at first time my prototype of engine 600 cm^ 3, to parameters 100 HP. And there is only a wonderful trick here: the Engine surprised me favourably, and has 2,5 times of more power than I established .... Neat trick !!!
Andrew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kaaden
Kadenacky was a forerunner .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_chamber
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadenacy_effect
I designed at first time my prototype of engine 600 cm^ 3, to parameters 100 HP. And there is only a wonderful trick here: the Engine surprised me favourably, and has 2,5 times of more power than I established ....
Neat trick !!! Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Saturday 16th May 00:17
Edited by Feliks on Thursday 21st May 00:44
Ok,
And now about the most important advantage of my engine
This structure how, higher I demonstrated the graph, has the different degree of compress ratio on placing angles between two crankshafts .
The changeable compression ratio was applied in a few advanced different structures of special engines .
He has most often been carried out with the help special Biceri pistons.
and these are virtues from using it
Thorough description in the NASA contango :
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.g...
In my structure exceptionally it is easy to carry out such a changeable compression ratio. He is carrying out sie it behind the help very of straightforward device for the picture. And most important: this device is changing the compression ratio in all top hats of the given engine(even for example 16 cylinders).
It is very much cheap way, and simultaneous in the reliable way is carrying out all described higher virtues of the changeable compression ratio.
Engine new 4 stroke has changeable compressio ratio.
It's up to the angle of coupling with the main piston .
Graph some varations:
Regards Andrew
And now about the most important advantage of my engine
This structure how, higher I demonstrated the graph, has the different degree of compress ratio on placing angles between two crankshafts .
The changeable compression ratio was applied in a few advanced different structures of special engines .
He has most often been carried out with the help special Biceri pistons.
and these are virtues from using it
Thorough description in the NASA contango :
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.g...
In my structure exceptionally it is easy to carry out such a changeable compression ratio. He is carrying out sie it behind the help very of straightforward device for the picture. And most important: this device is changing the compression ratio in all top hats of the given engine(even for example 16 cylinders).
It is very much cheap way, and simultaneous in the reliable way is carrying out all described higher virtues of the changeable compression ratio.
Engine new 4 stroke has changeable compressio ratio.
It's up to the angle of coupling with the main piston .
Graph some varations:
Regards Andrew
Edited by Feliks on Thursday 28th May 01:57
Edited by Feliks on Monday 8th June 22:07
Higher I described a few fasts way to the autoload of the mobile phone behind the help of the watch mechanism to alone of winding, which driving the electric generator will load the phone call automatically at moves of the phone.
Now I am still presenting one way of solving such a mechanism.
At putting in the mobile phone let us say six of such mechanisms, it should be enough to holding the phone in the readiness to work and the stand-by.
But for all certainty that we will always be they could use the phone, even when long he was in the stillness he proposes to add the handmade knob for winding such a mobile phone up, similarly he is like it in watches with such a mechanism. Then we will already always be sure that we will be able to use our phone, because of it we will wind lichen by hand, and then really we will get the full independence from the electric current and the traditional battery charger.
At the amount of mobile phones 1000 000 000 which everyone is downloading from let's say 1 Watt, we will save it of current in the height of 1000 MW.
Regards Andrew
Now I am still presenting one way of solving such a mechanism.
At putting in the mobile phone let us say six of such mechanisms, it should be enough to holding the phone in the readiness to work and the stand-by.
But for all certainty that we will always be they could use the phone, even when long he was in the stillness he proposes to add the handmade knob for winding such a mobile phone up, similarly he is like it in watches with such a mechanism. Then we will already always be sure that we will be able to use our phone, because of it we will wind lichen by hand, and then really we will get the full independence from the electric current and the traditional battery charger.
At the amount of mobile phones 1000 000 000 which everyone is downloading from let's say 1 Watt, we will save it of current in the height of 1000 MW.
Regards Andrew
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