New Granturismo
Discussion
Just got home from the preview. Initial thoughts. unfortunately weren't allowed to take photos so words will have to do as the interior is still embargoed. Modena edition on display (nettuno V6 in lowest state of tune, good for 186 and 0-62 in 4.9 I think they said).
The granturismo is absolutely stunning again. After my 2016, I really didn't like the facelifted model at all, the angular grille edges and other changes etc meant the overall car exterior lost its graceful and elegant looks to me. No such concerns here, the new one is beautiful and to my mind looks event borderline better than my previous 2016.
An absolutely beautiful pearlescent shimmery colour that will be part of the furioserie(?) Range that sounds a bit like Ferrari's tailor made.
Rear lights much nicer than on my old 2016.
Onto the star of the show. Interior is light years ahead of my old 2016. Quilted, deeply plush and supportive seats that make me think of my 2018 A8 and then some. Sportier yes but supremely comfortable and adjustable.
Every aspect of the interior feels like it's had a huge upgrade. Wheel has a lot of buttons and a scroll wheel for the Maserati version of the manettino. Wood, speakers, leather, fit and finish, all feel at or above A8/7/S territory and in some cases encroaching on Bentley levels of opulence and attention to detail.
Dual tablets which are quite low so don't do the traditional car tablet thing of sticking up out of the dash. As expected, I'm 6'3 and fit into it with zero problem in a way that I just can't in my Roma. Legroom, headroom, armrest space and all round comfort levels are excellent.
Also somewhat surprisingly the back seats are equally opulent. Feels more spacious than my old one and a bit brighter. The rear windscreen cleverly comes above the rear headrests which means you get an extra couple of inches headroom although at 6'3 I obviously couldn't sit completely normally, I didn't have to slide down the seat much to get in.
I really can't praise the interior highly enough.
Into the engine bay and it's the first time I've laid eyes on a nettuno. Seems a fair amount of space and believe one of the chaps from Maserati mentioned the wheelbase was shorter now given they didn't have to stuff a V8 in. Nice looking engine although obviously not as impressive to look at as the old V8 lump. I think they said the v6 would still be about 1.8t or so which is about the same as my old one if memory serves. Given the lightweight aluminium (60%+?) And lighter engine, must be that the extra weight went into opulence. 4.9 isn't slow but it's also not crazy quick these days. The trofeo I think gets into the range of mid 4s like my old GT sport. Folgore is obviously much faster with a 200+ top speed and I think they said a 0-62 time of 2.9?
The car was apparently designed from the ground up as electric first with the t shaped battery which means that the seats should recess just as deeply into the chassis as the Modena I sat in.
Onto the bad, prices. As I mentioned in previous post, the rough numbers they stated today we're 180 for the folgore, and I think 140ish and 150odd for the Modena and trofeo respectively. You have to figure that with options you can easily dump another 20 to 30k on those numbers which is punchy for a Maserati. I get it, they're finding their mojo again but it still feels a bit of a struggle to mentally bring myself to think that's reasonable despite the quality, beauty and luxury on offer. I definitely want one but it's tempered by my desire to get as many more silly ice cars before the ban comes in. When I return to the brand, it'll likely be for the folgore.
The granturismo is absolutely stunning again. After my 2016, I really didn't like the facelifted model at all, the angular grille edges and other changes etc meant the overall car exterior lost its graceful and elegant looks to me. No such concerns here, the new one is beautiful and to my mind looks event borderline better than my previous 2016.
An absolutely beautiful pearlescent shimmery colour that will be part of the furioserie(?) Range that sounds a bit like Ferrari's tailor made.
Rear lights much nicer than on my old 2016.
Onto the star of the show. Interior is light years ahead of my old 2016. Quilted, deeply plush and supportive seats that make me think of my 2018 A8 and then some. Sportier yes but supremely comfortable and adjustable.
Every aspect of the interior feels like it's had a huge upgrade. Wheel has a lot of buttons and a scroll wheel for the Maserati version of the manettino. Wood, speakers, leather, fit and finish, all feel at or above A8/7/S territory and in some cases encroaching on Bentley levels of opulence and attention to detail.
Dual tablets which are quite low so don't do the traditional car tablet thing of sticking up out of the dash. As expected, I'm 6'3 and fit into it with zero problem in a way that I just can't in my Roma. Legroom, headroom, armrest space and all round comfort levels are excellent.
Also somewhat surprisingly the back seats are equally opulent. Feels more spacious than my old one and a bit brighter. The rear windscreen cleverly comes above the rear headrests which means you get an extra couple of inches headroom although at 6'3 I obviously couldn't sit completely normally, I didn't have to slide down the seat much to get in.
I really can't praise the interior highly enough.
Into the engine bay and it's the first time I've laid eyes on a nettuno. Seems a fair amount of space and believe one of the chaps from Maserati mentioned the wheelbase was shorter now given they didn't have to stuff a V8 in. Nice looking engine although obviously not as impressive to look at as the old V8 lump. I think they said the v6 would still be about 1.8t or so which is about the same as my old one if memory serves. Given the lightweight aluminium (60%+?) And lighter engine, must be that the extra weight went into opulence. 4.9 isn't slow but it's also not crazy quick these days. The trofeo I think gets into the range of mid 4s like my old GT sport. Folgore is obviously much faster with a 200+ top speed and I think they said a 0-62 time of 2.9?
The car was apparently designed from the ground up as electric first with the t shaped battery which means that the seats should recess just as deeply into the chassis as the Modena I sat in.
Onto the bad, prices. As I mentioned in previous post, the rough numbers they stated today we're 180 for the folgore, and I think 140ish and 150odd for the Modena and trofeo respectively. You have to figure that with options you can easily dump another 20 to 30k on those numbers which is punchy for a Maserati. I get it, they're finding their mojo again but it still feels a bit of a struggle to mentally bring myself to think that's reasonable despite the quality, beauty and luxury on offer. I definitely want one but it's tempered by my desire to get as many more silly ice cars before the ban comes in. When I return to the brand, it'll likely be for the folgore.
Thank you very much for the description.
As my children start moving up (out) in the world we will require less and less space but will have to go electric living in Central London.
As much as I love this model, spending £200k on the electric version is just not acceptable use of proceeds, a Taycan and a sportier version of the Emira will likely be the choice within the next 2/3 years.
As my children start moving up (out) in the world we will require less and less space but will have to go electric living in Central London.
As much as I love this model, spending £200k on the electric version is just not acceptable use of proceeds, a Taycan and a sportier version of the Emira will likely be the choice within the next 2/3 years.
johnag007 said:
Thank you very much for the description.
As my children start moving up (out) in the world we will require less and less space but will have to go electric living in Central London.
As much as I love this model, spending £200k on the electric version is just not acceptable use of proceeds, a Taycan and a sportier version of the Emira will likely be the choice within the next 2/3 years.
Yeah, I get that, I'm toying with the idea of getting a V6 manual Emira myself at some point later in the production run. That much said, I'd probably also like a GT Folgore at some point too. I also like the Taycan but the two are not comparable imo with the GT being a significant step above it imo.As my children start moving up (out) in the world we will require less and less space but will have to go electric living in Central London.
As much as I love this model, spending £200k on the electric version is just not acceptable use of proceeds, a Taycan and a sportier version of the Emira will likely be the choice within the next 2/3 years.
Strip away stuff like the side skirts and air dam and the actual design is underwhelming-quite like the old one and pretty like a 2-door Ghibli. While the Ghibli is a good looking car I don't want to be reminded of something I can buy used for £20k in a 150-200k coupe.
There's something about the rear that makes me think of the A80 Toyota Supra.
There's something about the rear that makes me think of the A80 Toyota Supra.
fflump said:
Strip away stuff like the side skirts and air dam and the actual design is underwhelming-quite like the old one and pretty like a 2-door Ghibli. While the Ghibli is a good looking car I don't want to be reminded of something I can buy used for £20k in a 150-200k coupe.
There's something about the rear that makes me think of the A80 Toyota Supra.
Have you seen it in the flesh? Looks nothing like the Ghibli to my eye. While there are some Maserati branding elements that are across the range but it's a very different car. Appreciate that if you didn't like the old one and found it underwhelming you won't like the new one.There's something about the rear that makes me think of the A80 Toyota Supra.
Soleith said:
Have you seen it in the flesh? Looks nothing like the Ghibli to my eye. While there are some Maserati branding elements that are across the range but it's a very different car. Appreciate that if you didn't like the old one and found it underwhelming you won't like the new one.
Quite the contrary. I love the old Granturismo design and considering that it is 15 years old has aged very well. Maserati also did a very good job of incorporating the Granturismo look into a 4 door saloon with the Ghibli.I haven't seen the new GT in the metal but looks very much like a subtle evolution of the old design-was expecting more since they are pushing the prices far higher.
WCZ said:
beautiful interior
Really? I was thinking just the opposite.a couple of dozen buttons cluttering the sterring wheel making it more like a game controller, and that bizarres double screen with buttons across the middle of it, like they couldn't fit everything on one screen so added another.
Compare it to this clean simple to use design..
The0bald said:
The steering wheel does look a little cluttered with plastic. Compare to an AMG Gt restyled steering wheel and it is quite lacking.
Any idea what price these are going to be yet?
Received pricing for the ICE models this week:Any idea what price these are going to be yet?
Modena (490bhp) base will be £145,145 OTR.
Trofeo (550bhp) base will be £163,265 OTR.
Fuoriserie paints range from £23,400 to £25,800 with a range of solids, metallics, triple and quadruple layers as well as 2 Matte options and 2 "texturised" options.
Max power on both comes at 6,500RPM, Modena top speed is 188 and 3.9 to 62 while Trofeo is 199 and 3.5 respectively. Both apparently hit 27.8mpg on combined and 230g/km CO2 and are classified as Euro 6D. Both cars come in at 1,795kg wet.
Major spec difference talking points: Trofeo has E-LSD, LED Matrix lights, folding, heated and auto dimming door mirrors, alcantara rooflining/pillars/visors, heated wheel, carbon fibre interior trim, "Corsa mode" and some other styling differences as standard while these are generally options on the Modena.
Looking through the options list, with a nice spec and not much thought I add just over £16k to the base price although removing some carbon and ego wheels drops that down to 10k.
Soleith said:
Received pricing for the ICE models this week:
Modena (490bhp) base will be £145,145 OTR.
Trofeo (550bhp) base will be £163,265 OTR.
Fuoriserie paints range from £23,400 to £25,800 with a range of solids, metallics, triple and quadruple layers as well as 2 Matte options and 2 "texturised" options.
Max power on both comes at 6,500RPM, Modena top speed is 188 and 3.9 to 62 while Trofeo is 199 and 3.5 respectively. Both apparently hit 27.8mpg on combined and 230g/km CO2 and are classified as Euro 6D. Both cars come in at 1,795kg wet.
Major spec difference talking points: Trofeo has E-LSD, LED Matrix lights, folding, heated and auto dimming door mirrors, alcantara rooflining/pillars/visors, heated wheel, carbon fibre interior trim, "Corsa mode" and some other styling differences as standard while these are generally options on the Modena.
Looking through the options list, with a nice spec and not much thought I add just over £16k to the base price although removing some carbon and ego wheels drops that down to 10k.
Thanks for the info, that is a high price point.Modena (490bhp) base will be £145,145 OTR.
Trofeo (550bhp) base will be £163,265 OTR.
Fuoriserie paints range from £23,400 to £25,800 with a range of solids, metallics, triple and quadruple layers as well as 2 Matte options and 2 "texturised" options.
Max power on both comes at 6,500RPM, Modena top speed is 188 and 3.9 to 62 while Trofeo is 199 and 3.5 respectively. Both apparently hit 27.8mpg on combined and 230g/km CO2 and are classified as Euro 6D. Both cars come in at 1,795kg wet.
Major spec difference talking points: Trofeo has E-LSD, LED Matrix lights, folding, heated and auto dimming door mirrors, alcantara rooflining/pillars/visors, heated wheel, carbon fibre interior trim, "Corsa mode" and some other styling differences as standard while these are generally options on the Modena.
Looking through the options list, with a nice spec and not much thought I add just over £16k to the base price although removing some carbon and ego wheels drops that down to 10k.
The depreciation is normally severe on these but the number sold will probably be very low with prices at that level so that might help. Nonetheless, does make it difficult to justify one in my own head, when the Trofeo will be pushing toward second hand Roma levels, albeit with two useless seats in the rear of that one!
It will be interesting to see what Maserati finance put as a three year future value on it. If they back the car to hold decent value then it might be a safer route in, and I really would like one.
I'm guessing right hand drives aren't available to order as most countries have it on their configurators but not the UK.
The0bald said:
Thanks for the info, that is a high price point.
The depreciation is normally severe on these but the number sold will probably be very low with prices at that level so that might help. Nonetheless, does make it difficult to justify one in my own head, when the Trofeo will be pushing toward second hand Roma levels, albeit with two useless seats in the rear of that one!
It will be interesting to see what Maserati finance put as a three year future value on it. If they back the car to hold decent value then it might be a safer route in, and I really would like one.
I'm guessing right hand drives aren't available to order as most countries have it on their configurators but not the UK.
HR Owen are taking orders, my sales guy told me likely Q3 for first UK deliveries if order placed now. Yes, agreed the price point is higher than I'd like. I have a Roma and they're very different cars but I'd not swap the Roma for a GT unless I had a desperate need for the back seats. My temptation to get back into one is likely to come with the Folgore but the pricing on that will be even more ridiculous :/The depreciation is normally severe on these but the number sold will probably be very low with prices at that level so that might help. Nonetheless, does make it difficult to justify one in my own head, when the Trofeo will be pushing toward second hand Roma levels, albeit with two useless seats in the rear of that one!
It will be interesting to see what Maserati finance put as a three year future value on it. If they back the car to hold decent value then it might be a safer route in, and I really would like one.
I'm guessing right hand drives aren't available to order as most countries have it on their configurators but not the UK.
Whatever the residual is at 3 years, anyone buying one will take a massive bath and I'm sure the interest rate will be painful these days too.
Soleith said:
HR Owen are taking orders, my sales guy told me likely Q3 for first UK deliveries if order placed now. Yes, agreed the price point is higher than I'd like. I have a Roma and they're very different cars but I'd not swap the Roma for a GT unless I had a desperate need for the back seats. My temptation to get back into one is likely to come with the Folgore but the pricing on that will be even more ridiculous :/
Whatever the residual is at 3 years, anyone buying one will take a massive bath and I'm sure the interest rate will be painful these days too.
I’ll wait and see what the nearly news fetch. I do love the GT but it isn’t big enough to be a daily for me and the depreciation will annoy too much to be able to keep it for staring at, cleaning and occasional driving.Whatever the residual is at 3 years, anyone buying one will take a massive bath and I'm sure the interest rate will be painful these days too.
The Folgore would be a no go. At a quoted 265 it would have a likely range of 180-220 depending on weather. I think those EV values will dive when they start having ranges around 400 miles in the next few years. I nearly bought a Taycan but the dealers confidence in future Taycan ranges shooting up put me off.
All cars seem top end price wise at the moment, maybe I just have to get used to it and bite the bullet!
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