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The ron is far from a minority......anyway, that’s a great invitation from ls performance, if you can, head over and join the live chat with Luis. Trust me, there are not many tier1 tuners with the knowledge and experience Luis has that are prepared to put themselves up for this kind of thing. You have zero to lose 😃
rich24v said:
The ron is far from a minority......anyway, that’s a great invitation from ls performance, if you can, head over and join the live chat with Luis. Trust me, there are not many tier1 tuners with the knowledge and experience Luis has that are prepared to put themselves up for this kind of thing. You have zero to lose ??
Really? I’ve been contributing to this forum since 2006. It was a busy place back then with many people trying new things to extract more power. I’ve had 2 engines blow up on me but neither were built by Monkfish or tuned by Wortec. The one I have in it now was and has worked absolutely fine since 2011. I wonder how many cars Monkfish worked on during that time and how many are out there working fine? Certainly they wouldn’t have had the reputation they earned if they didn’t know what they were doing and did very well right up to the point they closed. I say that as somebody who experienced poor service over several years at the hands of somebody else before Monkfish put it right.Sure easy to make claims about other people’s work when they are no longer around to defend themselves.
wormus said:
Just out of interest how many of you have had cars remapped by Luis Sola? Interested to know how his mapping compares to Wortec. Looking for objective views as I’m wondering why people rate one over the other.
Back to the original question; if you look through my replies on this thread (pasted below), hopefully I have answered this from my own viewpoint. This is both in terms of a Luis (via MWP) bespoke map and a comparison with my original Wortec setup. I also have graphs - the Luis map corrected the air/fuel issues as well as improving in many ways:I had my Monaro done by Luis via MWP last year. I think they say they need the car for a full day to allow for the initial session on the dyno, then the follow up after Luis has worked on it. Worth considering that this is being done remotely (with a time difference) so I guess you need to keep the car on the dyno whilst being done?
Yes the cost may be eye watering but I can report that the results are well worth it. Not only in terms of power, but overall driveability also improves noticeably. Don't think mine was £1200+VAT though - think mine was about that including a service.
Edited: just checked, £1376 all in including a service and VAT.
I have the original Picador receipt for mine having a re-map and sports exhaust (both Wortec), along with a Rip Shift at 1478 miles in December 2005. It was £2100 which according to inflation is about £3150 now. I suspect just over half the cost was the parts so still a fair bit for labour/mapping costs, even for a generic map.
However my point is that the only mods that I have had since that original exhaust/map is a K&N element, yet the LS/MWP bespoke map has made further power, torque and drive-ability improvements. You get what you are prepared to pay for I suppose.
I have no association or real history with other tuners/companies on here. The Monaro I bought already had a Wortec map on it so I sort of inherited it. I have alsways used MWP for my servicing and other bits as they are my nearest specialist - always been very happy with their work and advice. I have also been really pleased with the way mine now runs, drives and performs since the MWP/Luis remap - it now feels what I hoped it would on the day I bought it.
Hope that is an impartial enough summary!
Edited by slimtater on Friday 12th June 11:48
wormus said:
Just out of interest how many of you have had cars remapped by Luis Sola? Interested to know how his mapping compares to Wortec. Looking for objective views as I’m wondering why people rate one over the other.
Hi Wormus,I have previously had my car tuned by both Paul @ Wortec on Rogers recommendation at the time and since buy Luis Sola.
So objectively, after the Wortec map for which Paul had the car for 2 weeks, and cost £1,100 from memory, due to it being stroked and supercharged. I took the car to the dyno day and the AFR across the Rev range was in the low 10’s and even high 9’s! And wasn’t making the claimed output. Which explained why I was lucky to get 200 miles to a tank rather than the 300 I was getting before. I also didn’t fancy the 550 mile and 10 hour round trip back to Wortec to have him try and fix his tune, in my mind it should have been right first time, same as tunes on all the other cars I’ve had over the years.
So I decided to do some research, and was pointed in Luis Sola’s direction, (this is before LS Performance Parts started)
I had a chat with him, he looked at my tune and he said then if I wasn’t happy with the end result, there’d be no charge, which sounded like someone who was very confident in their ability and knowledge. We then spent a few weeks logging and tweaking the map to a good position.
Afterwards the dyno figure and smoothness of the curve we dramatically improved and the AFR was a nice straight line as it should be.
That is why I would chose Luis over Paul having experienced both.
I’ve nothing against Monkfish or Wortec both have worked on my car, and the original Wortec tune my car had (before engine rebuild) lasted well for 40k miles, could the map have been improved on however, I’d say yes from the research I did it could have been a lot better. Would I use Wortec again, no.
I have no doubt that you have no issues with your car and map, could it be improved on though? That’s the question. The R8 tuning scene has moved forward, I think that’s the crux of it.
As a community people will always share their own experiences and they are often different. However I’m yet to hear anyone complain about a Luis Sola tune.
wormus said:
rich24v said:
The ron is far from a minority......anyway, that’s a great invitation from ls performance, if you can, head over and join the live chat with Luis. Trust me, there are not many tier1 tuners with the knowledge and experience Luis has that are prepared to put themselves up for this kind of thing. You have zero to lose ??
Really? I’ve been contributing to this forum since 2006. It was a busy place back then with many people trying new things to extract more power. I’ve had 2 engines blow up on me but neither were built by Monkfish or tuned by Wortec. The one I have in it now was and has worked absolutely fine since 2011. I wonder how many cars Monkfish worked on during that time and how many are out there working fine? Certainly they wouldn’t have had the reputation they earned if they didn’t know what they were doing and did very well right up to the point they closed. I say that as somebody who experienced poor service over several years at the hands of somebody else before Monkfish put it right.Sure easy to make claims about other people’s work when they are no longer around to defend themselves.
I have the upmost respect for Carl and Luis and certainty both have a great reputation. The reason I asked my original question was to understand if gains could be had and I suspect the answer is probably yes. If it were a case of booking a few hours on the dyno get those gains I’d probably go for it but I don’t want to lose the car for a week and pay for a completely fresh start. To me it just isn’t worth it given so much of what I have feels right. My AFR also looks fine according to my graphs.
wormus said:
I have the upmost respect for Carl and Luis and certainty both have a great reputation. The reason I asked my original question was to understand if gains could be had and I suspect the answer is probably yes. If it were a case of booking a few hours on the dyno get those gains I’d probably go for it but I don’t want to lose the car for a week and pay for a completely fresh start. To me it just isn’t worth it given so much of what I have feels right. My AFR also looks fine according to my graphs.
Ill speak to Luis later tonight as see what we can do it will depend on the tune already in the car so we will look this through first. If Luis feels he can work with it then im sure we can improve at SRR one morning when im up there already.wormus said:
I have the upmost respect for Carl and Luis and certainty both have a great reputation. The reason I asked my original question was to understand if gains could be had and I suspect the answer is probably yes. If it were a case of booking a few hours on the dyno get those gains I’d probably go for it but I don’t want to lose the car for a week and pay for a completely fresh start. To me it just isn’t worth it given so much of what I have feels right. My AFR also looks fine according to my graphs.
Mine didn't take a week - it had been on MWPs dyno in 2018 (at a previous service) so perhaps that and any road test enabled data to be taken? I then dropped it off one morning and then collected the following evening but as I said, that included a service. I suppose results are on a sliding scale of time and cost but for me, no complaints and a nice overnight stay in Chester.wormus said:
I have the upmost respect for Carl and Luis and certainty both have a great reputation. The reason I asked my original question was to understand if gains could be had and I suspect the answer is probably yes. If it were a case of booking a few hours on the dyno get those gains I’d probably go for it but I don’t want to lose the car for a week and pay for a completely fresh start. To me it just isn’t worth it given so much of what I have feels right. My AFR also looks fine according to my graphs.
My comparison will be an interesting one. The car made 502 rwhp at SRR back in 2009 and is on the same map previously done by Mark Frisby at Rapid GB. The car made more power that day than all the Monkfish supercharged cars despite being a LS1 and having a centrifugal charger, which Monkfish previously advised me to scrap when I first started building the car! I am sure the map can be improved on so lets see what the results are.LSPerformance said:
Ill speak to Luis later tonight as see what we can do it will depend on the tune already in the car so we will look this through first. If Luis feels he can work with it then im sure we can improve at SRR one morning when im up there already.
Thanks Carl, that’ll be really helpful. Please note it’s tuned using HPT, hope that’s not a problem.slimtater said:
I have the original Picador receipt for mine having a re-map and sports exhaust (both Wortec), along with a Rip Shift at 1478 miles in December 2005. It was £2100 which according to inflation is about £3150 now. I suspect just over half the cost was the parts so still a fair bit for labour/mapping costs, even for a generic map.
However my point is that the only mods that I have had since that original exhaust/map is a K&N element, yet the LS/MWP bespoke map has made further power, torque and drive-ability improvements. You get what you are prepared to pay for I suppose.
I think we may be comparing apples with oranges there. Yes I too had a generic Wortec “sport pack” map on mine when I first had the exhaust put on but wasn’t overly impressed. The bespoke map was a different experience entirely. However my point is that the only mods that I have had since that original exhaust/map is a K&N element, yet the LS/MWP bespoke map has made further power, torque and drive-ability improvements. You get what you are prepared to pay for I suppose.
wormus said:
slimtater said:
I have the original Picador receipt for mine having a re-map and sports exhaust (both Wortec), along with a Rip Shift at 1478 miles in December 2005. It was £2100 which according to inflation is about £3150 now. I suspect just over half the cost was the parts so still a fair bit for labour/mapping costs, even for a generic map.
However my point is that the only mods that I have had since that original exhaust/map is a K&N element, yet the LS/MWP bespoke map has made further power, torque and drive-ability improvements. You get what you are prepared to pay for I suppose.
I think we may be comparing apples with oranges there. Yes I too had a generic Wortec “sport pack” map on mine when I first had the exhaust put on but wasn’t overly impressed. The bespoke map was a different experience entirely. However my point is that the only mods that I have had since that original exhaust/map is a K&N element, yet the LS/MWP bespoke map has made further power, torque and drive-ability improvements. You get what you are prepared to pay for I suppose.
wormus said:
That’s exactly my point. What’s the point of a car with a great peak power figure that’s horrible to drive on the road and a pig to start? That’s where the time goes, not half a day on the dyno to finish it off.
It's a GM ecu...GM has done all the hard work. If someone cant get it to start ( because it will already start anyway ).....stay far far far far in a galaxy far far far away from them
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