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Jon39

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8,040 posts

107 months

Saturday 27th February
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SFO said:
...... plus they don't own AM yet, so cannot force AM to use MB platforms.

Yes, I agree with you about MBs ownership Sean (think about 10% at present), but did you see the CEOs reported comment?
That is what moved this discussion on to the subject of platforms. Not whether to use, but which.

'......boss Tobias Moers said that a final decision hasn't been taken on which Mercedes platforms and drive units the firm will use.
He did, however, add that "everything is a reasonable cost situation", suggesting that nothing is off-limits.' 


LTP

725 posts

76 months

Saturday 27th February
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RMDB9 said:
Could be the next Vantage...
But that photoshop is really ugly - it even makes the new Vantage look timeless and beautiful.

(Lipstick on a pig = Aston grille on a Benz biggrin)

SFO

5,067 posts

147 months

Saturday 27th February
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Jon39 said:
SFO said:
...... plus they don't own AM yet, so cannot force AM to use MB platforms.

Yes, I agree with you about MBs ownership Sean (think about 10% at present), but did you see the CEOs reported comment?
That is what moved this discussion on to the subject of platforms. Not whether to use, but which.

'......boss Tobias Moers said that a final decision hasn't been taken on which Mercedes platforms and drive units the firm will use.
He did, however, add that "everything is a reasonable cost situation", suggesting that nothing is off-limits.' 
it will be future generation cars, rather than current generation with their bespoke aluminium architecture.

So best buy a real AM while you still can .. DBS for me please

Beckson

114 posts

15 months

Saturday 27th February
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Very true, it will be a while before we see the current range replaced with possibly AMG chassis cars - think DB12 etc.

So maybe the sweet spot will be to buy the revised/facelifted current range. Of course, by the time the DB12 is out, who knows, these plans could have changed, ICE might be illegal so its hard to say.

I think I left my crystal ball in the attic.

RichB

44,901 posts

248 months

Saturday 27th February
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Beckson said:
... by the time the DB12 is out, who knows...
Will there even be a DB12? There wasn't a DB8 because, so the story goes, AML we afraid people would think it was a 8 cylinder, so would the DB12 need to be a V12, highly unlikely to be honest. Maybe the DB11 is the last of the DB line.

RMDB9

1,711 posts

12 months

Saturday 27th February
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If its an electric car they would call it DB13 to show that it is even better than a 12-cylinder.

No, wait...

Beckson

114 posts

15 months

Saturday 27th February
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It gets a little ridiculous to keep skipping even numbers.

RMDB9

1,711 posts

12 months

Saturday 27th February
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Cue-ing BMW until recently.

Jon39

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8,040 posts

107 months

Saturday 27th February
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Have we ruled out LS1, as the name for the DB11 successor ?


EDIT - That has given me an idea.

If a sponsor pays many millions to a Formula One team, they can have their name in the team title.
Have the motor industry be slow, because there must be easy money for them, by using this concept for every car model ?

I unveil the new Aston Martin Cozynet LS1.
How about the Aston Martin Durex Vantage Roadster ? On second thoughts .......

getmecoat







Edited by Jon39 on Saturday 27th February 19:03

SSO

1,073 posts

155 months

Sunday 28th February
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oilit said:
I wonder if build to order is appropriate across the range?
I dont think they are exclusively building to order on any of the main line if you look at Q4 shipments. I just posted an analysis of Aston's 2020 results and they shipped more units in Q4 than they retailed.

Jon39

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8,040 posts

107 months

Sunday 28th February
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SSO said:
oilit said:
I wonder if build to order is appropriate across the range?
I dont think they are exclusively building to order on any of the main line, if you look at Q4 shipments.
...... they shipped more units in Q4, than they retailed.

There is another aspect involved with this though.

I can only assume that AML compile their retail numbers, from the registration by dealers of each new AML car warranty, which would be done at about the time a customer takes delivery.
I know that warranty registration date, is one of the data fields in the records kept by AML, for every car they build.

Of course when each new model is introduced, there would be extra production (wholesale). Dealers would possess cars that do not have their warranties registered. For example showroom and stock cars (in the wholesale numbers, but not the retail numbers).

The DBX obviously features in the Q4 period, as a very recent new model.
If every dealer has say, 1 demonstrator, 2 showroom and 1 stock DBX, that would account for 167 being wholesale and retail (the demonstrators), then 167 x 3 = 501 (unregistered) wholesale only.

A further complication is the USA market, where many customers seem to want to buy quickly from their showroom. There are at present 150 US DBX unregistered cars advertised for sale by US dealers, whereas there are 43 dealers in all of the Americas Region (is that US, Canada and South America?).





Edited by Jon39 on Sunday 28th February 16:10

Sebastian Tombs

1,659 posts

156 months

Sunday 28th February
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RMDB9 said:
If its an electric car they would call it DB13 to show that it is even better than a 12-cylinder.

No, wait...
DB 13 amp.

RichB

44,901 posts

248 months

Sunday 28th February
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Sebastian Tombs said:
RMDB9 said:
If its an electric car they would call it DB13 to show that it is even better than a 12-cylinder.
No, wait...
DB 13 amp.
rofl

Speedraser

1,476 posts

147 months

Monday 1st March
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RichB said:
Will there even be a DB12? There wasn't a DB8 because, so the story goes, AML we afraid people would think it was a 8 cylinder, so would the DB12 need to be a V12, highly unlikely to be honest. Maybe the DB11 is the last of the DB line.
That was then. Now, an Aston doesn't even have to be an Aston...

Speedraser

1,476 posts

147 months

Monday 1st March
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SFO said:
these are all low end stuff, plus they don't own AM yet so cannot force AM to use MB platforms.
That M-B put its star on a Kangoo proved that they have no respect even for their own badge and name. They surely won't have enough respect for someone else's badge, such as Aston's, not to sully it if they think they'll make a DM.

M-B doesn’t have to “force” Aston to use its platforms (or engines). They just have to install someone to head Aston who will do it. They've done that. I hoped for better from Stroll, but I was pretty sure it was all over as soon as Moers arrived.

Agent57

759 posts

118 months

Monday 1st March
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DB-E would sound really naff...

They should definitely use DB12 on a last of the line V12 classy grand tourer. Even if it is jut a facelifted DB11. Should be classy rather than shouty.

RichB

44,901 posts

248 months

Monday 1st March
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Agent57 said:
DB-E would sound really naff...
Would that be the one in the line up aimed at Debbie in the marketing strategy briefing?

Westlondondriver

167 posts

36 months

Monday 1st March
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How about a DC12 for the first electric model ?

Agent57

759 posts

118 months

Monday 1st March
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Aston Martin Voltage ?

LooneyTunes

4,318 posts

122 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Aston Martin: The billionaire building 'a British Ferrari' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56245666

Stroll seems to be saying that 80% of F1 viewers are performance car buyers? (30 sec in on the video)