The new Vantage?

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Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Monday 6th January
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If we assume a main dealer trade-in price is about £12,000 less than retail, then what do you think about the following.

Someone owns a March 2024 V8V.
Wants to PX for a used latest generation model, which is just 3 months younger.





Salesman;
"I know Sir, that the car you want is only 3 months younger than your 2024 V8V yellow car, but you need to give us £83,000 in order to drive away in the 2024 V8V purple car.
I know that you can keep your yellow V8V and find a perfect V12V manual (wonderful, wonderful, wonderful and all that), to own in addition, for probably less than £83,000. Just think about telling your mate in the pub, that you have 656 bhp though.
Yes, I suppose if your mate had a V8V and a V12V, they could trump you with combined 1013 bhp, but don't think about that."

smile

flow99

1,275 posts

218 months

Monday 6th January
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Jon39 said:

If we assume a main dealer trade-in price is about £12,000 less than retail, then what do you think about the following.

Someone owns a March 2024 V8V.
Wants to PX for a used latest generation model, which is just 3 months younger.





Salesman;
"I know Sir, that the car you want is only 3 months younger than your 2024 V8V yellow car, but you need to give us £83,000 in order to drive away in the 2024 V8V purple car.
I know that you can keep your yellow V8V and find a perfect V12V manual (wonderful, wonderful, wonderful and all that), to own in addition, for probably less than £83,000. Just think about telling your mate in the pub, that you have 656 bhp though.
Yes, I suppose if your mate had a V8V and a V12V, they could trump you with combined 1013 bhp, but don't think about that."

smile
However, the new purple vantage also looks a hundred times better than teh old yellow one, so I would be buying just the one vantage.

Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Monday 6th January
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flow99 said:
However, the new purple vantage also looks a hundred times better than the old yellow one, so I would be buying just the one vantage.

I suppose therefore it is not the 3 month age difference, but desirability that explains the 63% higher price.
A huge price difference.


Edited by Jon39 on Monday 6th January 18:03

Davil

399 posts

36 months

Tuesday 7th January
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VantageHead said:
Tonight’s Harry‘s Garage video (summary of 2024 videos) - new new Vantage in his list of top 5 WORST cars!!
His top 2 faves were his McLaren & 911 S/T.
Watch his video of the old new Vantage.
He really likes it a lot. Loves the styling. Even loves the interior aside the screen. Thinks it is very special and a bargain even at the 150k pounds price due to the spec. Much prefers it to the DBSS.


Then the new new Vantage.


Totally at odds with other reviewers.
Let’s be brutally honest though. Unless you drive them back to back you are just relying on a memory. Things such as ride quality can be influenced by the previous car you drove. In his case likely a Range Rover. I have four cars that I swap between. My old new Vantage rides like a Rolls Royce in this context. I had an Audi A4 as a loaner recently. The ride was so smooth it was making me feel ill. By the time I got it back to the service department I nearly ran from it as it made me feel so uncomfortable. Suddenly my Rolls Royce ride felt firmer. And I loved it as I could actually feel something. It’s all about context and preference. There’s no right or wrong. You like what you like.


Edited by Davil on Tuesday 7th January 04:38

RoNNy379CH

64 posts

13 months

Tuesday 7th January
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Jon39 said:

I suppose therefore it is not the 3 month age difference, but desirability that explains the 63% higher price.
A huge price difference.


Edited by Jon39 on Monday 6th January 18:03
I think you get some big technical upgrades over the 2018 gen. Also the 2018 front is not for everyone else.

Calinours

Original Poster:

1,363 posts

60 months

Tuesday 7th January
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Davil said:
VantageHead said:
Tonight’s Harry‘s Garage video (summary of 2024 videos) - new new Vantage in his list of top 5 WORST cars!!
His top 2 faves were his McLaren & 911 S/T.
Watch his video of the old new Vantage.
He really likes it a lot.


Then the new new Vantage.


Totally at odds with other reviewers.
Let’s be brutally honest though. Unless you drive them back to back you are just relying on a memory. Things such as ride quality can be influenced by the previous car you drove. In his case likely a Range Rover.

Edited by Davil on Tuesday 7th January 04:38
Yeah, on the list of 'most disappointing'. I was a bit surprised, but his review was lukewarm. He did think the suspension set up too firm for the UKs 3rd world roads.

Harry wasn't the only one to point that out though..

As regards not being so impressed with the frontal facelift, well, that's quite subjective and he was one of the minority that really liked the look of the old new Vantage. As regards the new dash, I'd venture that in Harry's eyes the evident uplift in the aesthetic is offset by all the nannying that has to be turned off before every drive.

Let's face it, Harry probably places greater emphasis on the ride, he's experienced and knowledgeable enough to know it doesn't have to be such a savage compromise with todays technology (ie McLaren), and he will probably be less impressed than the more juvenile reviewers by bigger turbos and ever more power. His comments on old new vs new new Vantage reflect his comments on DB11 vs DB12, if anyone cares to dig up those videos (sorry but this time I can't be bothered).

To me it seems his review is, as usual, pretty fair. If ride is important to you, and you are bothered by the crap that comes as standard with any new car, then the new new Vantage might not be the one for you. It's his view, he has probably driven more stuff than almost anyone else, he's very much earned the right and I completely respect everything he says.

It does not mean we all have to agree though, as Harry would no doubt be the first to point out. I for one can't wait for my own test drive. I suspect I'm going to absolutely love it, and turning the nannies off will become second nature until some clever specialist develops a workaround, as they surely will.


Edited by Calinours on Tuesday 7th January 21:04

Lifesbloodygood

2,712 posts

31 months

Wednesday 8th January
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His view pretty much echoes everyone elses on ride quality, the softening of the ride on the upcoming Roadster may well be the sweet spot for some..

RoNNy379CH

64 posts

13 months

Wednesday 8th January
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maybe it is a simple softwarething to programm an optional "GT Mode" in the GUI.

All the damper setups for Sport, Sport+, Track are electronical so an additional mode maybe possible? Also the drivetrain and engine characteriistics for the different drive modes too.

But the big question is......want Aston this?

Edited by RoNNy379CH on Wednesday 8th January 10:02

ThomW

1,466 posts

38 months

Wednesday 8th January
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It was very interesting watching the latest video by Seen Through Glass on YouTube. He took his 992 GT3 to Litchfield to have 'S/T suspension' which it turns out is entirely software.

Since the 992 GT3 first came out apparently there have been 5 iterations of the suspension software, the latest being the one for the S/T which is more compliant and shaves off the harshness a lot more.

Most modern suspension is the smae style, so I wonder if the ride harshness is something Aston can fix via software updates later into the life cycle?

Or sooner, rather than later given reviews...

Lifesbloodygood

2,712 posts

31 months

Wednesday 8th January
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RoNNy379CH said:
maybe it is a simple softwarething to programm an optional "GT Mode" in the GUI.

All the damper setups for Sport, Sport+, Track are electronical so an additional mode maybe possible? Also the drivetrain and engine characteriistics for the different drive modes too.

But the big question is......want Aston this?

Edited by RoNNy379CH on Wednesday 8th January 10:02
Same as the AMG GT the system came off i think and despite all my best intentions i could never find someone who had or was willing to mess with the software at this level, even Renntech.

The GT suffers the exact same problem, even though it has a comfort setting, the GTC has softer springs than the gtr but still too stiff imo, so more about spring rates in this car, duno on vantage.

CSK1

1,709 posts

134 months

Wednesday 8th January
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Calinours said:
I suspect I'm going to absolutely love it, and turning the nannies off will become second nature until some clever specialist develops a workaround, as they surely will.
You mean like the latest Renault 5 where it just takes the touch of a single button to switch all annoying nannie’s off?
Why didn’t Aston come up with that as it’s supposed to be a driver’s car?
You need to delve into the infotainment submenus to switch everything off each time you start the car!
Ok for long trips but very annoying if you do short drives.

VantageHead

173 posts

66 months

Wednesday 8th January
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CSK1 said:
Why didn’t Aston come up with that as it’s supposed to be a driver’s car?
A missed opportunity for sure. I doubt they’ll be updating software to enable simpler cancellation of the annoying & dangerous ‘Nanny Aids’ (‘nice to haves’ are usually deprioritised due to cost).

Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th January
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CSK1 said:
You mean like the latest Renault 5 where it just takes the touch of a single button to switch all annoying nannie’s off?

Am I right to say? ;

1. The European Union have introduced a requirement upon car manufacturers, making it more difficult to turn off safety aids (post July 2024 new cars).

2. The French have a reputation for sometimes ignoring EU directives.

3. Aston Martin abide by the rules (which do not have to be followed in the UK, but manufacturers probably don't want to have special build UK cars).

This seems to match what is being discussed.


Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 8th January 15:51

Minglar

1,379 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th January
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After the early software issues with DB12 I would have thought AML would be reluctant to keep messing about with it to offer such functionality. I guess it is just a sign of the times. Generally speaking most infotainment systems continue to get more complex and less user friendly. As an aside I don’t know what’s happened, perhaps it’s because we have rolled over in to 2025, and year end has come and gone, but there are now six cars for sale on AT, the cheapest of which is priced at a shade below £180,000. BRM.

Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th January
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Minglar said:
As an aside I don’t know what’s happened, perhaps it’s because we have rolled over in to 2025, and year end has come and gone, but there are now six cars for sale on AT, the cheapest of which is priced at a shade below £180,000. BRM.

Looking on the bright side, AT (you need the Price Tracker browser extension) reveals a huge number of EVs (different makes), first registered (mostly on the last day of a month) in 2022, 2023 and 2024, many with mileages below 10. They have clearly never been sold and show a sequence of advertised price reductions.

A 2 year old Aston Martin with 10 miles would have good demand by collectors, but we are seeing a very different story in other parts of the car market.


Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th January
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Minglar said:
As an aside I don’t know what’s happened, perhaps it’s because we have rolled over in to 2025, and year end has come and gone, but there are now six cars for sale on AT, the cheapest of which is priced at a shade below £180,000. BRM.

Green car
03/01/2025 £189,990
06/01/2025 £183,750

Purple car
03/01/2025 £179,000
04/01/2025 £184,000

Grey car
31/12/2024 £189,990
07/01/2025 £183,990


RoNNy379CH

64 posts

13 months

Thursday 9th January
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CSK1 said:
You mean like the latest Renault 5 where it just takes the touch of a single button to switch all annoying nannie’s off?
Why didn’t Aston come up with that as it’s supposed to be a driver’s car?
You need to delve into the infotainment submenus to switch everything off each time you start the car!
Ok for long trips but very annoying if you do short drives.
Yes, where we purchased our new 2025 and can pick up in March this year, my salesman told me that they have a software/hardware button in the center console / touch gui to conveniently disable these things. I am very excited.

Edited by RoNNy379CH on Thursday 9th January 05:24

mrpseudonym

311 posts

126 months

Thursday 9th January
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Jon39 said:

Am I right to say? ;

1. The European Union have introduced a requirement upon car manufacturers, making it more difficult to turn off safety aids (post July 2024 new cars).

2. The French have a reputation for sometimes ignoring EU directives.

3. Aston Martin abide by the rules (which do not have to be followed in the UK, but manufacturers probably don't want to have special build UK cars).

This seems to match what is being discussed.


Edited by Jon39 on Wednesday 8th January 15:51
This is in fact correct. It is a euroNCAP (and I think GSR in the US) requirement that it be difficult (eg command in a sub menu is actually listed as a option of difficult) to turn off the driver aids (and I use that term loosely). In the US it is illegal for an OEM or a dealer to disable said system, but it is not illegal for the owner to do so.

Jon39

13,596 posts

153 months

Thursday 9th January
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There are some pre-registered, delivery mileage, Mk2 Vantages still at main dealers.

Nottingham - Reg 1 March 2023 Roadster 32 miles. Added to AT 20 Dec 2024

Walton - Reg 22 April 2023 Roadster 188 miles Added to AT 29 Feb 2024

VantageHead

173 posts

66 months

Saturday 11th January
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EVO’s COTY 2024 just published on YouTube;



Vantage came 4th (after 911ST (1st), Artura & MX-5 (2nd equal)):