The new Vantage?
Discussion
franki68 said:
AMV93 said:
Even Porsche are discounting 911's, they are listed on their website under 'Available New Cars'. It's very easy to find the list price of the car, as clicking the 'show car in configurator' link shows the full price and price of all the options.
I make this point as 911 GTS are around £140k with a decent spec, far lower than the Vantage, and were historically a strong seller. I've even seen Turbo S at discount, these were 10% 'overs' cars only 18 months ago. These are stock cars, again something which Porsche historically haven't had to do.
As I said in the other thread, the luxury/supercar market has well and truly caught a cold.
Absolutely this ,look at gt3 prices ,that market has disintegrated ,boxster rs spyders which were selling for near 100k over list are now list or below and these are cars that traditionally hold their values very well ,.I make this point as 911 GTS are around £140k with a decent spec, far lower than the Vantage, and were historically a strong seller. I've even seen Turbo S at discount, these were 10% 'overs' cars only 18 months ago. These are stock cars, again something which Porsche historically haven't had to do.
As I said in the other thread, the luxury/supercar market has well and truly caught a cold.
You need to be very very rich or very very brave to buy a new sports car of any description at the moment .
I was offered substantial discount on new 912 turbo s last year ,Aston are out of touch with the current market if they think they will sell cars without some serious incentives .
M1AGM said:
Deliveries to Continental Europe clients begin in Q1 2025.
Did they forget to mention the price?
Perhaps we are not suppose to ask the price, but instead just provide bank details.
I know it will reduce the top speed, but do Q provide an option to delete that go faster stripe?
Had a drive yesterday in the new Vantage. Lovely looking externally. Interior better than previous but too shiny/fussy for me still. Good practical storage. Seats (std sports) surprisingly snug and cabin felt too small for me - I'm 6'5", 16 stone and my 992 911 cab feels much airier. View out of side windows and 3/4 compromised as my eyeliner was at top of door glass (with seat at lowest position). Steering wheel too thick for me. Engine noise great on full song but too loud in normal, pootling around mode - it's always there. I'd get bored of it if using as a long distance tourer. Motorway causing at 85 fine but more wind noise than expected. Handled fast bumpy B roads well. Pickup in 'Sport' mode wasn't as ballistic as I was expecting - probably my incorrect expectations of a 650hp car! Wanted to fall in love with it but didn't - shame, as I can't drive my 911 due to the centre lock recall issue.
Now, the V600 they are selling for a customer, that did get me interested!
Now, the V600 they are selling for a customer, that did get me interested!
Car Magazine’s Sports Car giant test 2024 - updated Aston Martin V8 Vantage, Porsche 911 ST, McLaren Artura Spider, BMW M4 CS, updated Toyota Yaris GR, Ariel Nomad, VW Golf GTI Clubsport, Ford Mustang GT & Hyundai Ioniq 5N EV.
For updated Vantage, they admired that so much horsepower available (“Bullet train!”), they weren’t fond of on-track dynamics (“opportunity for a more track oriented version?”), too heavy, vagueness in steering (feel is just OK), has its own personality (“packed with character & charm”) but overall liked it. Commented on too small font size. Overall liked it though and said it was “a laugh - felt like an Aston should”, but they’re looking forward to future variants. It didn’t make the top 3 though…….
Porsche 911 ST won.
For updated Vantage, they admired that so much horsepower available (“Bullet train!”), they weren’t fond of on-track dynamics (“opportunity for a more track oriented version?”), too heavy, vagueness in steering (feel is just OK), has its own personality (“packed with character & charm”) but overall liked it. Commented on too small font size. Overall liked it though and said it was “a laugh - felt like an Aston should”, but they’re looking forward to future variants. It didn’t make the top 3 though…….
- Spoiler alert!
Porsche 911 ST won.
Edited by VantageHead on Saturday 16th November 18:06
Have been offered £5,000-£6,000 discount off a showroom Vantage today (dealer in southern England), but as others have stated, it’s still a fraction of what the new car will lose in the first 6M I guess. They have a nice Podium Green one, but still not convinced on whether to change.
Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
VantageHead said:
... and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025, will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. ...
In the Company's profit warning statement on 30 September 2024;
'Aston Martin today announces a strategic realignment of its 2024 wholesale volumes, making a circa 1,000 unit reduction'
I have not heard any mention of reducing volume in 2025.
Now that the revised core model range is complete, AML will be hoping that demand will allow increased production.
RoNNy379CH said:
What I have heard for the automotive industry in general, is that a lot of delivery problems with purchased parts are expected again in 2025. Could that possibly also be a reason?
Might that situation be due to some component suppliers going bust, under the new UK economic environment ?
VantageHead said:
Have been offered £5,000-£6,000 discount off a showroom Vantage today (dealer in southern England), but as others have stated, it’s still a fraction of what the new car will lose in the first 6M I guess. They have a nice Podium Green one, but still not convinced on whether to change.
Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
I do like the new Vantage but would need substantially more than off but that will probably only help to dissipate the depreciation slightly. Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
Paradoxically of course the bigger the discount the more the depreciation seems to increase.
When I bought a brand new 2019 vantage ( not to my spec ) I got something like £20k off and at that same time ordered one to my spec with a similar discount.
This was obviously on a much lower rrp compared to the new new one.
VantageHead said:
Have been offered £5,000-£6,000 discount off a showroom Vantage today (dealer in southern England), but as others have stated, it’s still a fraction of what the new car will lose in the first 6M I guess. They have a nice Podium Green one, but still not convinced on whether to change.
Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
£5-6k only just covers the hike in the first year VED announced in October's budget...Has anyone taken up the offer of a newly available discount on an unregistered showroom model?
Still got the Stroll line from the dealer about no discounts on ‘build to order’ cars, even when I pointed out big depreciation in DB12 and other new models - was told that residual on DB12 finance agreements keeps increasing (!) and that planned reduced volume manufacture in 2025 will help stabilise depreciation of new cars. Mmmmm….guess we’ll see.
AMV93 said:
£5-6k only just covers the hike in the first year VED announced in October's budget...
Just to be clear, year one VED rates for petrol cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 is £5,490 (for cars emitting over 255g/km CO2) and £4,680 (for cars between 226 – 255 g/km CO2). This is double the current rates of £2,745 and £2,340 respectively, so a £6,000 discount (on a pre-built showroom model) would cover over twice the VED hikes.
Of course, pre-built showroom cars can be registered before 1st April 2025 at the current VED rate.
I can’t see there being many takers for the car listed on AT. The price is punchy and reeks of a flipper who will probably end up disappointed. Personally I don’t think a dealer discount of five or six thousand pounds is going to be anywhere near enough to entice new buyers particularly with Christmas approaching. If history is anything to go by I suspect patience will pay off for anyone who’s in the market for new new Vantage. We shall see. BRM.
Edited by Minglar on Wednesday 20th November 18:32
VantageHead said:
Just to be clear, year one VED rates for petrol cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 is £5,490 (for cars emitting over 255g/km CO2) and £4,680 (for cars between 226 – 255 g/km CO2).
This is double the current rates of £2,745 and £2,340 respectively, so a £6,000 discount (on a pre-built showroom model) would cover over twice the VED hikes.
Of course, pre-built showroom cars can be registered before 1st April 2025 at the current VED rate.
This is double the current rates of £2,745 and £2,340 respectively, so a £6,000 discount (on a pre-built showroom model) would cover over twice the VED hikes.
Of course, pre-built showroom cars can be registered before 1st April 2025 at the current VED rate.
How, do you all feel about this, pay more if you (supposedly) pollute more, road tax?
Many of us are probably using our Aston Martins only as occasional enjoyable toys.
By driving say one or two thousand miles annually, the Net Zero, Pollution, Carbons emitted, are probably less that a battery car covering 15,000 miles annually and being recharged with electricity 50% generated by burning gas.
The government records will reveal the annual usage of all vehicles subject to MoTs.
So I would prefer a pay per mile tax, but the trouble with that would be, the government would charge road tax in addition for each of our cars.
We are continually being told that every tax increase, is apparently essential to clear NHS waiting lists and fill something called a black hole.
Anyway, the winter hibernation makes me feel slightly better about it.
Ms Rachel Reeves will take time off from altering (again) her published CV, to send me a refund cheque.
When applying for a job,we presumably can now 'fluff-up' our CVs, without facing any trouble, although David Scott (out of jail now), found thing different in 2017.
Dewi 2 said:
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The government records will reveal the annual usage of all vehicles subject to MoTs.
So I would prefer a pay per mile tax, but the trouble with that would be, the government would charge road tax in addition for each of our cars.
As well as the tax being possibly additional, I would also be concerned about how they were sampling and collecting the mileage data, as the last thing I'd want in my car is something that could report back on instantaneous and average speeds. Or locations where those measurements were taken, if they used GPS data logging.
Once you get into road pricing, the next thing the pointy-heads in the DaFT (Department For Transport; copyright Private Eye) will want to do is the increase the charge rate for peak commuter hours, or even introduce "on demand" pricing to manage traffic.
VantageHead said:
Just to be clear, year one VED rates for petrol cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 is £5,490 (for cars emitting over 255g/km CO2) and £4,680 (for cars between 226 – 255 g/km CO2).
This is double the current rates of £2,745 and £2,340 respectively, so a £6,000 discount (on a pre-built showroom model) would cover over twice the VED hikes.
Of course, pre-built showroom cars can be registered before 1st April 2025 at the current VED rate.
Do you have to pay that every year? This is double the current rates of £2,745 and £2,340 respectively, so a £6,000 discount (on a pre-built showroom model) would cover over twice the VED hikes.
Of course, pre-built showroom cars can be registered before 1st April 2025 at the current VED rate.
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