F31 335d xDrive - experiences?
Discussion
Mr Whippy said:
I'm annoyed I couldn't even find a car at 3 dealers that had adaptive susp even to try!
There were 3ers with it but not with SE suspension.
BMW were in my view terrible at selling their product.
I'm slightly tempted to buy a new one with right spec next year on amazing end of life offers, but I've no idea how to even try these things out when no dealers have decent demonstrator models.
Has anyone here got a 335d xd and an F30 m3?
Is the M3 similar on comfort?
As much as the 335d is nice, jumping from my z4 to 335d I'm feeling there is scope for a better compromise.
If the M3 can go over bumps like a 335d but be more like the z4 in feel I'd be happier I think.
“Wills” certainly has he even went via a F10 M5 too so he should be able to help. There were 3ers with it but not with SE suspension.
BMW were in my view terrible at selling their product.
I'm slightly tempted to buy a new one with right spec next year on amazing end of life offers, but I've no idea how to even try these things out when no dealers have decent demonstrator models.
Has anyone here got a 335d xd and an F30 m3?
Is the M3 similar on comfort?
As much as the 335d is nice, jumping from my z4 to 335d I'm feeling there is scope for a better compromise.
If the M3 can go over bumps like a 335d but be more like the z4 in feel I'd be happier I think.
As welshly says I had an 335d drive and now have an M3 on the 19" wheels in comfort it's firmer but better damped than the 335d no runs flats and deeper tyre walls help.
It's now on MP springs so it's quite a bit firmer but I drive it in sport+ damper setting mostly and have no issues.
I also have a z4c and it rides better than that.
It's now on MP springs so it's quite a bit firmer but I drive it in sport+ damper setting mostly and have no issues.
I also have a z4c and it rides better than that.
It sounds like next spring I could take a look at the M3 at least, and if poss a 335d on adaptive too, and see if I'm missing anything.
There is just something about my old Z4 fitting like a glove, even with fairly lame steering feel the actual chassis and seat (m sport, not the standard things) tell you almost everything.
Then again my wife's 16 plate Fiesta ST told you everything too but was tiring and too firm, though fractionally less crash than an E85.
To get a 3er with a blend of the comfort of a 335d, but the life of the Z4 or Fiesta ST, would be better for me.
Then again the car was for the baby mostly so if a 335d is best it'll stay
There is just something about my old Z4 fitting like a glove, even with fairly lame steering feel the actual chassis and seat (m sport, not the standard things) tell you almost everything.
Then again my wife's 16 plate Fiesta ST told you everything too but was tiring and too firm, though fractionally less crash than an E85.
To get a 3er with a blend of the comfort of a 335d, but the life of the Z4 or Fiesta ST, would be better for me.
Then again the car was for the baby mostly so if a 335d is best it'll stay
If it’s for the family you really need be touring derivative (you can make do with a Saloon but the touring of any Make gives so much flexability
Also you do not want a 3 door getting baby seats in and out + strapping in the seat belt is a nightmare in a 3 door - add in the scenario in car parks the door opening angle can be too wide for the required opening. Plus it really hurts he back full stretch lifting the weight and twisting movement to get it in.
Take the S Max open door baby seat dips into isofix in 2 seconds away. Belting up he other two I can easily climb into the back row and sort them out from one side without needing to open the door at a huge angle. The seat Alhambra with its electric sliding doors is superior still no issue of max door angle opening in parking spaces.
Also you do not want a 3 door getting baby seats in and out + strapping in the seat belt is a nightmare in a 3 door - add in the scenario in car parks the door opening angle can be too wide for the required opening. Plus it really hurts he back full stretch lifting the weight and twisting movement to get it in.
Take the S Max open door baby seat dips into isofix in 2 seconds away. Belting up he other two I can easily climb into the back row and sort them out from one side without needing to open the door at a huge angle. The seat Alhambra with its electric sliding doors is superior still no issue of max door angle opening in parking spaces.
Mr Whippy said:
Anyone know if 335d is a bdm job for ecu data tweaking?
Wonder if an obd tool/support will arrive.
Did a 0-60-85 ish today.
Pretty brisk but no drama in it.
The cars performance shines more in-gear... so sad then that the stupid bloody gearbox needs to be in manual to enjoy the wafty torque.
What turd at BMW put 320d calibrations on for the 335d!!?
Mr Whippy - you were extremely critical of all re-mappers in another thread about mapping 335d's and now you want to remap yours . Oh how I laughed . Wonder if an obd tool/support will arrive.
Did a 0-60-85 ish today.
Pretty brisk but no drama in it.
The cars performance shines more in-gear... so sad then that the stupid bloody gearbox needs to be in manual to enjoy the wafty torque.
What turd at BMW put 320d calibrations on for the 335d!!?
ds666 said:
Mr Whippy said:
Anyone know if 335d is a bdm job for ecu data tweaking?
Wonder if an obd tool/support will arrive.
Did a 0-60-85 ish today.
Pretty brisk but no drama in it.
The cars performance shines more in-gear... so sad then that the stupid bloody gearbox needs to be in manual to enjoy the wafty torque.
What turd at BMW put 320d calibrations on for the 335d!!?
Mr Whippy - you were extremely critical of all re-mappers in another thread about mapping 335d's and now you want to remap yours . Oh how I laughed . Wonder if an obd tool/support will arrive.
Did a 0-60-85 ish today.
Pretty brisk but no drama in it.
The cars performance shines more in-gear... so sad then that the stupid bloody gearbox needs to be in manual to enjoy the wafty torque.
What turd at BMW put 320d calibrations on for the 335d!!?
It'd be like buying a car without a test drive, and the dealer guessing what your favourite colour was rather than asking you.
DIY makes lots of sense.
We are in the process of purchasing a 335d xdrive touring as there are some great deals out there.
Adaptive suspension is a nice to have, but we went for it on a car with HK, HUD and panoramic sunroof.
We test drove one last week at Guilford which sold before we could make a decision on it then jumped on the one at Borehamwood.
Looking forward to getting to grips with it.
Adaptive suspension is a nice to have, but we went for it on a car with HK, HUD and panoramic sunroof.
We test drove one last week at Guilford which sold before we could make a decision on it then jumped on the one at Borehamwood.
Looking forward to getting to grips with it.
ds666 said:
So to continue your analogy , you rather the dealer let you spray the car yourself ??
Good luck .
No, you just choose your colour and let a company who offers a years long warranty on their work do it.Good luck .
A company who lets you try a car before you buy their product.
A company with a robust experience in making the entire product.
Your continuation of my analogy doesn't work.
Either way while most tuners still appear to alter duration maps on CR (even birds allude to have done this, maybe they still do?), and reported issues on dms cars suggest the same, I do think I'll have better luck tuning the engine myself and knowing it's right.
Given oem calibrations I'd bet 50bhp is on the table.
But since that tuning isn't 'the biggest number' tuners will go tweak duration maps to get the power, but bugger up everything else.
Another analogy. People diy swap brakes, springs, bodykits, even doing coding and retrofits.
They're competent to do it, so why not?
But changing a few tables in the ecu is suddenly a laughable thing for someone who is competent to undertake?
What specifically is it that makes brakes and suspension fair play, but an ecu not?
Mr Whippy said:
No, you just choose your colour and let a company who offers a years long warranty on their work do it.
A company who lets you try a car before you buy their product.
A company with a robust experience in making the entire product.
Your continuation of my analogy doesn't work.
Either way while most tuners still appear to alter duration maps on CR (even birds allude to have done this, maybe they still do?), and reported issues on dms cars suggest the same, I do think I'll have better luck tuning the engine myself and knowing it's right.
Given oem calibrations I'd bet 50bhp is on the table.
But since that tuning isn't 'the biggest number' tuners will go tweak duration maps to get the power, but bugger up everything else.
Another analogy. People diy swap brakes, springs, bodykits, even doing coding and retrofits.
They're competent to do it, so why not?
But changing a few tables in the ecu is suddenly a laughable thing for someone who is competent to undertake?
What specifically is it that makes brakes and suspension fair play, but an ecu not?
Isn’t it due to the fact beyond a certain generation BMW they have very difficult anti tamper software to the point originally none of the mappers could break the code. A company who lets you try a car before you buy their product.
A company with a robust experience in making the entire product.
Your continuation of my analogy doesn't work.
Either way while most tuners still appear to alter duration maps on CR (even birds allude to have done this, maybe they still do?), and reported issues on dms cars suggest the same, I do think I'll have better luck tuning the engine myself and knowing it's right.
Given oem calibrations I'd bet 50bhp is on the table.
But since that tuning isn't 'the biggest number' tuners will go tweak duration maps to get the power, but bugger up everything else.
Another analogy. People diy swap brakes, springs, bodykits, even doing coding and retrofits.
They're competent to do it, so why not?
But changing a few tables in the ecu is suddenly a laughable thing for someone who is competent to undertake?
What specifically is it that makes brakes and suspension fair play, but an ecu not?
So unless they provide that to you - why would hey for free? Why would they at all? You are stuck.
I had a long talk with my local Superchips man (see below) about a remap on mine (2017 CTI 335D X Drive M Sport). In a nutshell, proceed with extreme caution! The ECU has to come out and actually be surgically opened up and modified. It is not reversible, it is easily detectable by your friendly local stealer, and it obviously blows your warranty into the weeds. It has even happened that the changes have been made and the car is DoA, and won't even start.
- Note* He has succesfully done both of my 330D M Sport Manuals, and they have been transformed in terms of torque and drivability, with significant improvement in mpg, so I am a big fan of the process.
neverraced said:
I had a long talk with my local Superchips man (see below) about a remap on mine (2017 CTI 335D X Drive M Sport). In a nutshell, proceed with extreme caution! The ECU has to come out and actually be surgically opened up and modified. It is not reversible, it is easily detectable by your friendly local stealer, and it obviously blows your warranty into the weeds. It has even happened that the changes have been made and the car is DoA, and won't even start.
BMW offer powerkits that keep the car under warranty, I considered remapping my car but the idea of risking the warranty and reliability of the car regardless of how good peoples experiences were just wasn’t worth it for an extra 40 bhp odd. Someone then told me BMW offer powerkits so I rang up and got a quote, £1280 fitted, gains were from 258bhp to 286bhp, I can’t remember the torque but it wasn’t that much extra. - Note* He has succesfully done both of my 330D M Sport Manuals, and they have been transformed in terms of torque and drivability, with significant improvement in mpg, so I am a big fan of the process.
I didn’t go for it as I didn’t see the point for 1300 quid but that’s a headache free way for you to upgrade your 335d for a bit extra!
AC Schnitzer do a 3 year warranted 313 to 360hp power upgrade for a 335d, but it'll set you back a hefty £4k+.
http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
Osinjak said:
AC Schnitzer do a 3 year warranted 313 to 360hp power upgrade for a 335d, but it'll set you back a hefty £4k+.
http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
I'd venture to suggest that the AC Schnitzer package either includes a new ecu, or hedging against the existing one getting screwed up in the "surgery". Rich described me the process, he can do it for about £450 IIRC, but it is pretty serious stuff; and he doesn't recommend it. Pretty damned responsible I'd say!http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
neverraced said:
Osinjak said:
AC Schnitzer do a 3 year warranted 313 to 360hp power upgrade for a 335d, but it'll set you back a hefty £4k+.
http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
I'd venture to suggest that the AC Schnitzer package either includes a new ecu, or hedging against the existing one getting screwed up in the "surgery". Rich described me the process, he can do it for about £450 IIRC, but it is pretty serious stuff; and he doesn't recommend it. Pretty damned responsible I'd say!http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
Sorry to thread-jack, but Mr Whippy mentioned above something about reported issues with DMS maps. Well I have a DMS map, so it slightly concerns me when I see 'DMS' and 'issues' in the same sentence. Care to elaborate or provide links?
Keith R said:
neverraced said:
Osinjak said:
AC Schnitzer do a 3 year warranted 313 to 360hp power upgrade for a 335d, but it'll set you back a hefty £4k+.
http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
I'd venture to suggest that the AC Schnitzer package either includes a new ecu, or hedging against the existing one getting screwed up in the "surgery". Rich described me the process, he can do it for about £450 IIRC, but it is pretty serious stuff; and he doesn't recommend it. Pretty damned responsible I'd say!http://shop.rossiters.co.uk/performance-upgrades-f...
Sorry to thread-jack, but Mr Whippy mentioned above something about reported issues with DMS maps. Well I have a DMS map, so it slightly concerns me when I see 'DMS' and 'issues' in the same sentence. Care to elaborate or provide links?
Car accelerating on its own.
The only logical way it could without knowing it was, is decalibrated injections etc.
Ie, a bit like tuning boxes that tweak rail pressure and intake boost pressure by sending fake sensor signals, and allowing real actual longer injections or higher boost without the ecu knowing.
This is all assuming the OP in that case was legit.
Given the prices banded around and the money in these, I wouldn't be surprised at companies doing propaganda on each other on forums.
Welshbeef said:
Mr Whippy said:
No, you just choose your colour and let a company who offers a years long warranty on their work do it.
A company who lets you try a car before you buy their product.
A company with a robust experience in making the entire product.
Your continuation of my analogy doesn't work.
Either way while most tuners still appear to alter duration maps on CR (even birds allude to have done this, maybe they still do?), and reported issues on dms cars suggest the same, I do think I'll have better luck tuning the engine myself and knowing it's right.
Given oem calibrations I'd bet 50bhp is on the table.
But since that tuning isn't 'the biggest number' tuners will go tweak duration maps to get the power, but bugger up everything else.
Another analogy. People diy swap brakes, springs, bodykits, even doing coding and retrofits.
They're competent to do it, so why not?
But changing a few tables in the ecu is suddenly a laughable thing for someone who is competent to undertake?
What specifically is it that makes brakes and suspension fair play, but an ecu not?
Isn’t it due to the fact beyond a certain generation BMW they have very difficult anti tamper software to the point originally none of the mappers could break the code. A company who lets you try a car before you buy their product.
A company with a robust experience in making the entire product.
Your continuation of my analogy doesn't work.
Either way while most tuners still appear to alter duration maps on CR (even birds allude to have done this, maybe they still do?), and reported issues on dms cars suggest the same, I do think I'll have better luck tuning the engine myself and knowing it's right.
Given oem calibrations I'd bet 50bhp is on the table.
But since that tuning isn't 'the biggest number' tuners will go tweak duration maps to get the power, but bugger up everything else.
Another analogy. People diy swap brakes, springs, bodykits, even doing coding and retrofits.
They're competent to do it, so why not?
But changing a few tables in the ecu is suddenly a laughable thing for someone who is competent to undertake?
What specifically is it that makes brakes and suspension fair play, but an ecu not?
So unless they provide that to you - why would hey for free? Why would they at all? You are stuck.
So you should be able to backup full ecu if bdm.
My major concern was always the immobiliser as even on old ms43 it was a cycling key. Either way it baffled me enough to not want to do my Z4 without a full backup before each re-write.
And for software, the tuning software cos sell the tools to get past the protections.
That's who dms and the rest will use. CMD bdm probably, with WinOLS.
It's always been the same in tuning world.
At first no one did PSA common rail HDI and people ran rail pressure mods on tuning boxes.
Then ACR did kwp2000 and cracked checksum for different ecu so they'd be happy with new data written.
Then they got cloned and were eventually £20, not £2000.
Tuners did bad remaps until they knew how they worked and did better ones, maybe, eventually.
335d xd will probably be easier and cheaper once my warranty runs out
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