EGR Fire - Technical Campaign - N47, B47 and N57
Discussion
outnumbered said:
Since the recall applies to "6-cylinder diesel engines (production from July 2012 until June 2015)." does this mean that an N57 from 2010 is going to be OK and not suffer from this problem ? Or are BMW just assuming that they're so old they're not worth fixing if they do happen to catch fire ?
I won't answer that with anything other than saying that EGR coolers are generally an issue on many N57's irrespective of age. But as it stands at the moment BMW are not putting them within the technical campaign. diegokarol said:
On my 640d n57 I'm sure egr cooler's liking internally .Unfortunately BMW refused to replace it explains that there is no visible crack on the cooler. How could they see anything inside the egr cooler ??
Mine when it went in was loosing coolant, it had no white smoke. They simply went leaking internally and needs replacement £699 (although I was under warranty so caused no issues).How much coolant have you actually lost? What you really need to do is know it started at X, over X period and X miles. The simple thing is these engines should use no coolant.
Ninja59 said:
Right on the grapevine I have heard that some dealers now have lists for this. Some are not getting booked in for near on a month though so be aware.
I expect if you need it doing you could have fun with getting parts as I sense EGR coolers are going to be a favourite for a while.
My local dealer knows nothing about it and there has been no communication from BMW at all. It's been some time since the press release - what is going with this?I expect if you need it doing you could have fun with getting parts as I sense EGR coolers are going to be a favourite for a while.
Technical Campaign extended now to include cars from August 2010 to August 2017. There might be regional variations.
Internal BMW Group investigations have revealed that in the case of some diesel vehicles glycol-leakage from the EGR- (Exhaust-Gas-Recirculation-) Cooler can occur. In combination with typical soot deposits and the high temperatures normally present in the EGR module this might result in smoldering particles. This could lead in very rare cases to the melting of the intake manifold and in extremely rare cases result in fire. The BMW Group has decided to carry out a technical campaign to check the EGR module and replace any faulty components on the potentially affected diesel vehicles.
The technical campaigns initially decided for European and Asian countries in mid-August 2018 involved around 480.000 BMW diesel vehicles. During further examination of engines with a similar technical setup, the BMW Group analyzed individual cases that were not included in the original technical campaigns. These individual cases posed no significant risk to our customers. Nonetheless the BMW Group decided to further reduce even this minor risk by expanding the country-specific technical campaigns. It is the goal of BMW Group to support the trust and confidence of our customers in our products.
As a whole, the initial technical campaign and the expanded campaign include around 1.6 million vehicles worldwide (production from August 2010 until August 2017). Individual production periods vary per model.
Customer information will be distributed in the sales organization. Customers with vehicles involved in the technical campaign will be contacted.
Internal BMW Group investigations have revealed that in the case of some diesel vehicles glycol-leakage from the EGR- (Exhaust-Gas-Recirculation-) Cooler can occur. In combination with typical soot deposits and the high temperatures normally present in the EGR module this might result in smoldering particles. This could lead in very rare cases to the melting of the intake manifold and in extremely rare cases result in fire. The BMW Group has decided to carry out a technical campaign to check the EGR module and replace any faulty components on the potentially affected diesel vehicles.
The technical campaigns initially decided for European and Asian countries in mid-August 2018 involved around 480.000 BMW diesel vehicles. During further examination of engines with a similar technical setup, the BMW Group analyzed individual cases that were not included in the original technical campaigns. These individual cases posed no significant risk to our customers. Nonetheless the BMW Group decided to further reduce even this minor risk by expanding the country-specific technical campaigns. It is the goal of BMW Group to support the trust and confidence of our customers in our products.
As a whole, the initial technical campaign and the expanded campaign include around 1.6 million vehicles worldwide (production from August 2010 until August 2017). Individual production periods vary per model.
Customer information will be distributed in the sales organization. Customers with vehicles involved in the technical campaign will be contacted.
Ninja59 said:
As a whole, the initial technical campaign and the expanded campaign include around 1.6 million vehicles worldwide (production from August 2010 until August 2017). Individual production periods vary per model.
Customer information will be distributed in the sales organization. Customers with vehicles involved in the technical campaign will be contacted.
I guess that's good news - it seems they've recognised that they can't arbitrarily limit it to the period where they happened to get reports of fires, but need to look at all engines with the same design.Customer information will be distributed in the sales organization. Customers with vehicles involved in the technical campaign will be contacted.
I recently insisted my BMW dealership check for EGR Cooler failure whilst my car was in for service after coolant went low twice with no warning and with no apparent escape! Coolant pressure test was ok; technician diagnosed egr Cooler failure & the dealership are raising a claim case with BMW even though my build doesn't currently appear on the UK BMW EGR Cooler recall technical campaign!
More info here: https://www.bmw.co.uk/landingpages/bmw-vehicle-rec...
And here: https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/23/bmw-expands-egr...
My build is a 2014 F31 320D N47 efficientDynamics auto
My advice; if you're coolant goes low for no apparent reason; take it to a dealership & demand a test regardless of whether your build is on a recall list or not, & fight your corner before anything catastrophic & costly occurs! BMW press release: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/atta...
More info here: https://www.bmw.co.uk/landingpages/bmw-vehicle-rec...
And here: https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/23/bmw-expands-egr...
My build is a 2014 F31 320D N47 efficientDynamics auto
My advice; if you're coolant goes low for no apparent reason; take it to a dealership & demand a test regardless of whether your build is on a recall list or not, & fight your corner before anything catastrophic & costly occurs! BMW press release: https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/atta...
I'm deffo getting the BMW warranty next September time when my 335Xd reaches 3yrs old.
Then the engine can nuke itself for all I care.
BMW are stupid for being so cheap with this... I'd not buy anything new from BMW now as they seem to have gone cheaper and cheaper over the last decade, with seemingly simple faults on important ancilliary parts that can cause catastrophic engine failures.
Then the engine can nuke itself for all I care.
BMW are stupid for being so cheap with this... I'd not buy anything new from BMW now as they seem to have gone cheaper and cheaper over the last decade, with seemingly simple faults on important ancilliary parts that can cause catastrophic engine failures.
Apparently, there have been some 'issues' with the new M5 engine as well as oil filter problems from the latest 6 cyl diesel oil filters requiring a lengthly strip down and new filter housing. I heard of a new G30 530d requiring this on its first oil change.
All sounds par for the course!
All sounds par for the course!
iSore said:
Apparently, there have been some 'issues' with the new M5 engine as well as oil filter problems from the latest 6 cyl diesel oil filters requiring a lengthly strip down and new filter housing. I heard of a new G30 530d requiring this on its first oil change.
All sounds par for the course!
Do not forget the yellow grommet which affects the F series 5,6 and 7. All sounds par for the course!
BMW have repeated the same issue with the new CLAR cars which just expands the issue....as the CLAR is used on the new 3 series to 7 series and X3 to X7....
Mine is booked in for yellow grommet replacing, it is not leaking yet. But I have a build up behind the panel and the drains are "slower". Not covered by warranty though.
Oh and the tech I spoke to about my F06 640D GC went I have already done a G30 with the yellow grommet issue. FFS.
The N57 did have a small period with leaking around the filter housing, but again BMW seem to have issues with the B57. Mental.
my sisters 520d was victim to an EGR fire last week. Does anyone have experience of the same and what was your outcome with regards to compensation for loss (in general terms). Obviously nobody can advise on this specific incident, but it would be interesting to know how others have faired when faced with complete loss of their car due to any manufacturing issue (which in this case was subject to worldwide recall and no fixed prior to the car being sold second hand by main dealer).
thanks
chewy
thanks
chewy
Thursday 29 November:
I buy and pay for a 2016 F20 120 X-drive for delivery on Monday 3 December.
Friday 30 November:
Unbeknownst to me BMW issue a safety recall notice for the EGR on the car.
Saturday 1 December:
The BMW dealer calls me to say that while they were readying the car for collection as planned on Monday and doing the brake fluid replacement as agreed to bring the service history bang up to date, their computer system has flagged up the recall!
They know the work will take up to 3 hours but as of this morning the BMW system won't let them download the instructions so they don't know exactly what to do!!
I checked on recalls at the DVLA site [link below] with the car's registration number [which has also changed this week] and, in fairness, the new reg no comes up with a safety recall but no details of what or why or the actual fix.
https://www. gov.uk/check-vehicle-recall [you'll need to remove the spaces after www. ]
I did complete the DVLA's "How did we do?" and said it would be much more helpful if the details of the recall were provided to owners.
I'm collecting the car on Monday regardless and it will be back in on Friday for the fix - whatever that may be!
I buy and pay for a 2016 F20 120 X-drive for delivery on Monday 3 December.
Friday 30 November:
Unbeknownst to me BMW issue a safety recall notice for the EGR on the car.
Saturday 1 December:
The BMW dealer calls me to say that while they were readying the car for collection as planned on Monday and doing the brake fluid replacement as agreed to bring the service history bang up to date, their computer system has flagged up the recall!
They know the work will take up to 3 hours but as of this morning the BMW system won't let them download the instructions so they don't know exactly what to do!!
I checked on recalls at the DVLA site [link below] with the car's registration number [which has also changed this week] and, in fairness, the new reg no comes up with a safety recall but no details of what or why or the actual fix.
https://www. gov.uk/check-vehicle-recall [you'll need to remove the spaces after www. ]
I did complete the DVLA's "How did we do?" and said it would be much more helpful if the details of the recall were provided to owners.
I'm collecting the car on Monday regardless and it will be back in on Friday for the fix - whatever that may be!
Ninja59 said:
Do not forget the yellow grommet which affects the F series 5,6 and 7.
BMW have repeated the same issue with the new CLAR cars which just expands the issue....as the CLAR is used on the new 3 series to 7 series and X3 to X7....
Mine is booked in for yellow grommet replacing, it is not leaking yet. But I have a build up behind the panel and the drains are "slower". Not covered by warranty though.
Oh and the tech I spoke to about my F06 640D GC went I have already done a G30 with the yellow grommet issue. FFS.
The N57 did have a small period with leaking around the filter housing, but again BMW seem to have issues with the B57. Mental.
I had my EGR valve and cooler replaced earlier this year on my 2013 640d GC after noticing diesel fumes in the cabin. Thankfully all covered under AUC warranty. Not sure whether my car will still be 'recalled'BMW have repeated the same issue with the new CLAR cars which just expands the issue....as the CLAR is used on the new 3 series to 7 series and X3 to X7....
Mine is booked in for yellow grommet replacing, it is not leaking yet. But I have a build up behind the panel and the drains are "slower". Not covered by warranty though.
Oh and the tech I spoke to about my F06 640D GC went I have already done a G30 with the yellow grommet issue. FFS.
The N57 did have a small period with leaking around the filter housing, but again BMW seem to have issues with the B57. Mental.
On a separate note Ninja59 can you give more details on the yellow grommet issue and where this is located? I have no problems at the minute and try to keep the drainage areas clear of leaves etc but I want to keep it that way!
idrussell said:
I had my EGR valve and cooler replaced earlier this year on my 2013 640d GC after noticing diesel fumes in the cabin. Thankfully all covered under AUC warranty. Not sure whether my car will still be 'recalled'
On a separate note Ninja59 can you give more details on the yellow grommet issue and where this is located? I have no problems at the minute and try to keep the drainage areas clear of leaves etc but I want to keep it that way!
Your car does not fall within the years of the recall, but as you have seen they can still and do fail outside that age bracket.On a separate note Ninja59 can you give more details on the yellow grommet issue and where this is located? I have no problems at the minute and try to keep the drainage areas clear of leaves etc but I want to keep it that way!
Yep go on bmw5 and the heavy water thread in the F10/F11 section it is at the top. The issue essentially applies to F01/F06/F07/F10/F11/F12/F13/Ghost/Wraith and Dawn. There is 20+ pages of the issue. It will cause problems for many cars over time as one of the passenger bonnet drains goes through that location.
Fox- said:
My car isn't in the VIN range listed on the DVSA website which is odd because it is an 04/15 build 530d with N57.
Are they just initially focusing on the B47?
The DVSA website is slow to update in my experience. Are they just initially focusing on the B47?
They are doing the checks with cameras and having to order the coolers by chassis number now.
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