M140i questions?

M140i questions?

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toon10

5,280 posts

124 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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I went from an E90 325i to an M135i before my current car. The M135i is an epic engine in an average chassis. It's not an M car and won't feel as special but then it is better at being a daily driver. If you do a lot of country roads then you'll not be satisfied. For me, all my driving is in town or on short dual carriageway stretches so it's actually a better car for that type of driving. In 4 years, I never got bored of the performance. Bit of a liability in the wet but that adds to the fun, less so in the snow.

I used to average about 25 mpg but it can do a lot more on a porper run. Normal servicing costs and a lot cheaper to run than an M car for not much more straight line performance difference than an m2 (if any). You'll notice the difference more on track or on a decent road.


Shaoxter

3,591 posts

91 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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gizlaroc said:
chan61922 said:
Crazy thing is I webuyedanycar a 2008 m3 just as a rough idea, I know they offer a fair bit lower but a car up for 16.5k with a dealer was valued 13k from we buy any car. That is what scares me about a pre lci most.
I think you need to be realistic.

If losing £3k to get out of a car you don't like worries you, maybe these cars are not for you?
Also, are the LCI M3s or M135/140s any better in that regard? I would think not, £3k is a sensible margin for these cars, in fact I'm surprised the WBAC valuation is so close to what a dealer has it up for.

nikaiyo2

3,562 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Auto box is much nicer than the manual.

I don’t have pro nav, the pro nav looks nicer, but the non upgraded version is still more than fine.
I don’t have HK, but I am more likely to listen to R4 when driving than music.

I do have cruise and would not be without that and it’s not a standard fit.
I have heated seats and steering wheel, nice to have but could live without, also not standard fit.
Also front and rear parking sensors, the front of the car is quite hard to see to park IMHO.

Court_S

5,259 posts

144 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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I have a 2019 Shadow Edition M140i which I’ve had from new for just under seven months now.

It’s my daily / only car so I wanted and needed something that I could commute in, chuck the little ‘un in, lob the dog in, shove a mountain bike or two on the roof and also put a smile on my face when the need arises. The M140i does these things for me. I also looked at the Golf R which was more practical and had some nice tech (digital dash, adaptive) but ultimately did nothing for me.

Shadow Edition cars get HK, cruise, privacy glass and rear parking sensors as standard. Plus the black grilles, darker grey 436 alloys and darkened rear lights. For me the only other things I needed was pro nav and heated seats. The pro nav looks much better in my opinion plus brings additional functionality. The HK isn’t brilliant but is better than the boggo system, plus I think my friends none shadow edition looks like is missing something without the extra speakers.

They do get a bit bouncy when pushing on, but by the time I really notice it that’s the last of my worries because you’re really motoring and some pretty naughty speeds. It’s something that I think that the internet has picked up on and makes it into far more of an issue than it really is. All in my opinion of course.

I’ve averaged a smidge under 31mpg since I took delivery. It’s comfy enough, doesn’t look too stupid when I turn up to work in it. It’s plenty quick enough, traction isn’t really worse than any other RWD car that I’ve driven.

I was also considering an E90 M3; I’ve always wanted an M car. I’m under no illusion that my M140i is an M car. It’s a 1 series with a great big engine shoved in it. I ultimately decided that the running costs on a genuine M car works be tiresome for c.15k per year. The M140i is proving pretty cheap to run so far. That doesn’t stop me lusting after an E90 M3 though; I still love the way they look and that V8 is magnificent.

Few pics of mine...





I’ve modded mine slightly....

Black M style mirror caps and black canards because the stock silver ones looked gash on a white car.

Gloss black M Performance spoiler and surround for rear badge

Reiger rear diffuser (adds a bit to the rear)

Alcantara wheel from Royal with blue stitching to match that of the seats

Various carbon and alcantara M Performance trims parts (gear selector, handbrake grip, steering wheel trim, gear selector surround, pedals)

Next up will by the underbody brace which is supposed to help the handling. Figure it’s worth a shot for £150. I might also consider a set of Eibach springs to lower it. I’m not fussed about more power.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

85 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Don't waste your money on the brace.

Put it towards the suspension instead smile

Lovely.

r33so

1 posts

148 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Court_S - does the rear bumper need to come off to fit the Rieger diffuser? Are your silver mirror covers for sale?

Down on the Farm

128 posts

20 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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I would like to add my two penny worth for consideration if it helps.

I have a M240i auto with adaptive.

When I was looking for the 140i/240i it seemed that the 240's were more often kitted out better than the 140's and one particular feature of the 1/2 series bmw's that I didn't like was the manual seat adjustment. I just thought it was a bit naff having to use your body weight to adjust height etc

Having the electric memory seat adjustment is a much better solution and is ideal for my wife and I to have individual seat settings set to our individual key fobs. Mine has electric lumbar support also which is another extra.

Also folding door mirrors is not standard so check if this important.

IDrive 6 pro nav is great with voice commands thrown in.

I also like my 40:20:40 split fold seats which makes for a more practical setup but I think these were an extra too. Boot size is a very respectable size too.

I ended up purchasing an ex demonstrator which was well loaded with kit including rear Camera.

The highlight of the 240i experience for me is the combination of that great 3.0 IL6 engine coupled with the ZF8 gearbox. It really is a delightful power train for making easy progress.

An hours cruising on the motorway will return 40mpg at legal limits and just about 30mpg for mixed urban. Obviously less if squirting around enjoying the delicious muscular sound. It does become addictive!

With regard to the adaptive suspension, I have been a little disappointed that the firmness of the ride is not more distinct in the two modes. While there is a distinct stiffening up of the suspension in sport it still does not give the firmness I was expecting for pressing on. On the flip side this is a comfortable car and cruiser in comfort mode when you want it to be.

You will never grow tired of the shear performance on offer though it is a seriously quick car!

Yes it's true what a lot of people say in that it is a 8/10ths car as it does lose composure if pressed too hard and can feel a little bouncy and vague which does not Instill the most confidence, but we are talking pressing on here a tad!

Which probably brings me to the biggest dilemma for me. This 240i has so much power and grunt that I find I can find little opportunity to rev it out as you would be doing some seriously law breaking speeds in the blink of an eye. This amount of power has to be treated with the utmost of respect especially during this time of year with cold wet roads you have to use a lot of restraint.

Don't get me wrong, any car with this much power going through the rear wheels needs to be driven appropriately but rewards in having to drive it under fine control with some finesse.

I have read on PH that the sweet spot for road driving car is possibly 200hp and I would probably go along with this as sometimes I would like the satisfaction of wringing a car out to the limit when in the mood and you really can't do that with the 240i too often.

Overall very pleased with the car.

Any more questions please ask.

cerb4.5lee

19,570 posts

147 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Down on the Farm said:
I have read on PH that the sweet spot for road driving car is possibly 200hp and I would probably go along with this as sometimes I would like the satisfaction of wringing a car out to the limit when in the mood and you really can't do that with the 240i too often.
What I like with around 200bhp is that you can use pretty much all the power and not worry too much about doing daft speeds and waving your licence away. On the flip side though it is nice to have much more power for overtaking and giving you more options.

There is an argument for both low and high power for sure. I think ultimately though if I only had 1 car I'd rather have power than not have it.

Down on the Farm

128 posts

20 months

Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Hi Cerb,

Yes I guess I came down on the more power side!

I had the car just 4 days, stopped in layby on open dual carriageway no traffic and thought - right lets see what this baby's got. I planted the accelerator and the brute force shocked me and couldn't get my foot right down.

Anyway, speedo climbed alarmingly quickly round the dial and just as I was revelling in the excess of it all spotted a safety partnership van pointing right at me. Damn! hit the brakes hard. Spent the next three weeks fretting about the envelope through the letterbox. Taught me a valuable lesson in this "modern age" haha smile

cerb4.5lee

19,570 posts

147 months

Wednesday 15th January 2020
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swanny71

2,230 posts

176 months

Wednesday 15th January 2020
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nikaiyo2 said:
Auto box is much nicer than the manual.
In your opinion.

I tried several (all but one was auto), much preferred and bought a manual. Each to their own.

Sir_Dave

1,475 posts

177 months

Wednesday 15th January 2020
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Might as well offer some input seeing as everyone else has. I've had two M135i's now beer

First one was a brand new lease in March 14 (EWG turbo), estoril blue, manual, 3dr, specced with what i considered to be the bare minimum (didnt want to up the monthlies too much), so comfort pack (cruise/rear parking), black panel, additional storage & heated seats. It had a variety off issues that the dealer faileds to sort (10 visits for a fan and a ripped seat upon delivery), which ruined the experience somewhat, but all in all, i bought myself out of the lease 6 months early. It simply didnt work as a "hot hatch to go for a hoon in" imho, which is what i wanted at the time, lifeless steering, typical BMW gearbox (i dont mind it normally, but when the engine/steering feels like a cheapo PS4 forcefeedback wheel, manual doesnt really make sense) and it handled like a 5 series with a leaking rear damper, or a boat in a storm, take your pick.

I bought an e46 M3 instead, this was far better to drive, but the tech was a bit old hat by now, so 6 months later i bought an e90 M3. Perfect mix of driving/build quality/technology, but i moved onto to a 981 Boxster S another another 6 months or so. The M3 was a considerably better car than the 1st M135i.

Second attempt at an M135i was bought in October last year. Super spec this time round, so a June 13 (PWG turbo) sapphire black, auto, 5dr, specced with pretty much everything, so comfort pack (cruise/rear parking), black panel, pro nav, HK, electric heated seats, electric lumbar, additional storage, heated seats, adaptive suspension, adaptive lights, high beam assistant, 60/20/20 rear seat, reversing camera & park assist. With the epic auto box, the lifeless steering makes far more sense, this isnt a "hot hatch to hoon in" its a rather quick daily driver, think of it as a less rattly and more rapid 120d and you are there. The adaptive suspension makes for a good "soft to bouncy" setting which quickly changes the character of the car when combined with the gearbox/steering. In the manual it just made the steering heavier and the throttle more sensitive, a bit half-arsed really. Its very annoying that you cant set up an "individual" setting for all the options like in the M3/RS3 that ive had, but thats why its an M-Lite and not a proper one i guess. With a Quaife and some eibachs, this would be a very very good car imho, id probably choose it over an e90 M3 now i think, its just does 95% so well, the extra 5% is where the M3 excels.

To compare, i wouldnt have another manual on passive suspension if you paid me laugh

Options wise, things i would aim for:

Adaptive Suspension. Unless you are fitting Bilstein B12's straight away, the standard/passive setup is just rubbish. Essential.
Autobox. Just suits the "playstation" feel of the car more than the manual i think. If you want the "manual" experience, there are better cars out there.
Pro Nav. Its just nicer to look at. Unless you find a car with the black panel, then its fairly easy to retrofit pro nav anyways.

HK. The standard setup is absolutely woeful. HK isnt as good as Logic 7 in an e90 though. Again, easy to upgrade. Not fussed.
Electric seats. I found in the manual car, i was between seat settings, so wished id specced leccy seats.Not an issue in an auto. Not fussed.
Electric lumbar. I dont use it. Not fussed.
Heated seats. Essential.
Adaptive headlights. Quite funky, but not the full blown witchcraft like in the F30 3 series.Not fussed.
Highbeam assistant. Its better than the cr4p system in the e90, but not fussed.
Front parking sensors. Useful, but so are my eyes. Not fussed.
Reversing camera. Always steamed up. Not fussed.
Park assist. Used it once to see how it worked. Not fussed.

Im now going back to an e91 335i, purely due to needing extra space and well, i found one with only 14k miles on it lol, but i think a 5dr M135i auto, with prov nav, heated seats and adaptive is the receipt for a great car!! Not sure id be too bothered about spending a shed load extra money for an LCI/140i either tbh. A £13k M135i is a great VFM quick car, by comparison a £20k M140i is 5 grand more than an e90 M3 and £5k for fuel and repairs.


Untitled by Sir_Dave, on Flickr



Edited by Sir_Dave on Wednesday 15th January 09:50

Court_S

5,259 posts

144 months

Wednesday 15th January 2020
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Down on the Farm said:
You will never grow tired of the shear performance on offer though it is a seriously quick car!

Yes it's true what a lot of people say in that it is a 8/10ths car as it does lose composure if pressed too hard and can feel a little bouncy and vague which does not Instill the most confidence, but we are talking pressing on here a tad!

Which probably brings me to the biggest dilemma for me. This 240i has so much power and grunt that I find I can find little opportunity to rev it out as you would be doing some seriously law breaking speeds in the blink of an eye. This amount of power has to be treated with the utmost of respect especially during this time of year with cold wet roads you have to use a lot of restraint.

Don't get me wrong, any car with this much power going through the rear wheels needs to be driven appropriately but rewards in having to drive it under fine control with some finesse.
Even if you’re getting to 7 or 8/10’s of their ability on the road you’ll be going bloody fast and will be in a lot of trouble if you get caught!

I totally get what you mean about ringing it’s neck; there are very few opportunities to rev it out in the real world. I could red line my old 330, I’d be breaking the speed limit but it would be that bad....in one of these or an E90 M3 you’re into big speeds. A friend has an old 125 coupe and he made much the sane comments a few weeks ago.

You do need toe gentle in the wet and cold which is probably not a bad thing, driving to the conditions etc. The Pilot Super Sports don't help much here either. I’ll be swapping to PS4’s most likely when all four need doing because I’m too tight to bin sine good from tyres! hehe

The only good thing is that after a few weeks of being a bit more sensible, I does feel like a different car when it dries up / warms up. I had a fairly swift run down to see family in the Cotswolds between Christmas and new year and being able to use more power because it was dry, felt like I’d a new car!

hooch500

6 posts

22 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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OK thought I'd chime in here, 18 months in a 140. The standard passive set up is poor, mostly due to the cheapo B4 dampers. As has been suggested in other replies, ditch it for B12 or B14 kit - a vast improvement, less crashing, flatter cornering and less float at speed. Just over £1000 fitted.

Brakes are also not great for hard chargers, they will fade badly. Still experimenting with pads. EBC are junk, DS2500 still fade. Pagids the best but not cheap.

Tyres, PSS are grippy in the dry, but will let go in the wet when over half worn and aquaplane badly. PS4 better. Real surprise was Maxis Victra VS5 after reading EVO tyre test. Can't report on wear rate but grip is amazing in the wet.

Averaging around 23 MPG.

If you buy one make sure you do something about the grills, ie put some mesh behind them or better still Zunsport. The charge cooler is easily holed as I have found out !

I use the car for commuting, but occasionally some very hard driving on deserted roads. The engine is quite something, even as standard. Could do with a LSD, but the suspension mods will take you most of the way in terms of control and enjoyment, even at normal speeds.

No reliability issues in 20K miles.

Crackie

5,363 posts

209 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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The standard and remapped curves of the N55 and B58 are pretty telling. The N55 does great work low down but runs out of puff at to top end.........the B58 makes more power everywhere doesn't make that max power until it's past 7000rpm so should be more fun. The curve of a mapped B58 is pretty special, looks like an NA engine with good top end breathing.

https://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/M235iN55B30O0....

https://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/M140iB58340PS....

Driving both is the only way to really know which works best for you. I should add I've not driven either but ran a mapped N54 335i for several years.

HM-2

6,516 posts

136 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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If you're not too fussed with keeping everything OEM, you can get better-than-HK quality sound for a few hundred quid using a combination of one of a variety of aftermarket audio provider's drop-in kits and the amp from the mid-spec stereo. You do need to buy a set of the HK tweeter pods to mount the tweeters in though.

Retrofitting the Pro Nav screen to the non-Black Panel cars is also very easy- it's just the physical display and 2 lines of coding. Screens are quite expensive though; you can also fit the nicer Pro Nav iDrive controller too (they're cheap).

Court_S

5,259 posts

144 months

Thursday 16th January 2020
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r33so said:
Court_S - does the rear bumper need to come off to fit the Rieger diffuser? Are your silver mirror covers for sale?
I fitted it on my drive with the bumper on the far; a bit fiddly and a bit of swearing but I got there in the end.

Hanging to the mirror caps to pop it back to standard in the future.

acme

2,594 posts

165 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Intrigued what the OP did in the end, or if anyone else has anything to add. Albeit a lot's happened since this specific topic was discussed.

I keep coming back to M140/240's as a potential daily, though mines the opposite for when I move the E92 on.

Edited by acme on Wednesday 28th October 14:43

Armchair_Expert

15,980 posts

173 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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The fuel tanks are small. You will be filling up for £60 ish, and getting around 250 miles per tank.

acme

2,594 posts

165 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Armchair_Expert said:
The fuel tanks are small. You will be filling up for £60 ish, and getting around 250 miles per tank.
Thanks for that, never heard that before, and it's a pain on the E92, sometimes it needs filling at 200 miles, if it was a daily I think it would really bug me!