Must be mad - M5 to a 6 series!!

[dubbs]

Thye're faster than an M6 if you remap them you know....

[adycav]

madou said:

Yum.

[ferrisbueller]

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

[JNW1]

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

[ferrisbueller]

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

[JNW1]

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The point I was making in my previous post is that you don't buy a £50k 635d because you need one, you buy one because you want one! Your first paragraph actually makes my point very well because in essence what you're saying is that a lot of the time people just need a tool to do a job. I fully agree with that and can see that a diesel fits the bill very well; however, if that's the case why wouldn't something like a diesel Focus or the latest Golf GTD do the day job you describe? Much lower running costs than a 635d and if you're doing long runs on a motorway it would get you there just as quickly with decent levels of comfort and refinement; with the money you've saved you could also get an Elise or a Caterham for fun at the weekends!

Therefore, I stick by my assertion that a 635d is something people want as opposed to need and if we're talking wants then for that money I'll have a secondhand V8 M3 plus cash thanks very much! Yes it will cost more to run but if you're that worried about things like servicing and fuel consumption you probably shouldn't be looking at cars at that price level in the first place!

I do agree with your point on car weights but sadly that's a sign of the times; not a problem if you trade that 635d for a Golf and a Caterham though!!

[ferrisbueller]

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The point I was making in my previous post is that you don't buy a £50k 635d because you need one, you buy one because you want one! Your first paragraph actually makes my point very well because in essence what you're saying is that a lot of the time people just need a tool to do a job. I fully agree with that and can see that a diesel fits the bill very well; however, if that's the case why wouldn't something like a diesel Focus or the latest Golf GTD do the day job you describe? Much lower running costs than a 635d and if you're doing long runs on a motorway it would get you there just as quickly with decent levels of comfort and refinement; with the money you've saved you could also get an Elise or a Caterham for fun at the weekends!

You are, in many ways, preaching to the converted here. I wouldn't be spending £50k on a 6-Series in the first place. However, the OP didn't say he was either. He said he'd like a 6er and I've said that I think the 635d is well worthy of consideration, on merit, and stands comparison with the 630i very favourably and also fairs very well against a 645 IMO

JNW1 said:

Therefore, I stick by my assertion that a 635d is something people want as opposed to need and if we're talking wants then for that money I'll have a secondhand V8 M3 plus cash thanks very much! Yes it will cost more to run but if you're that worried about things like servicing and fuel consumption you probably shouldn't be looking at cars at that price level in the first place!

The OP said he'd like a 6er, your preference for an M3 is a personal one, which would cost the same or more as a 2nd hand 6er btw (not sure where you make your cash saving), may not be relevant.

I think 99% of the population would have concerns over running costs. Not many people can afford to throw their money away in any financial climate, especially not the current one.
My car is in that price bracket but it costs less to run than a Golf/Focus diesel - go figure Just because you can afford to invest in something doesn't mean you're happy to continue throwing money at it.

JNW1 said:

I do agree with your point on car weights but sadly that's a sign of the times; not a problem if you trade that 635d for a Golf and a Caterham though!!

Again, no argument but not what the OP was looking into. I think that's a whole new, different, thread.

[JNW1]

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The point I was making in my previous post is that you don't buy a £50k 635d because you need one, you buy one because you want one! Your first paragraph actually makes my point very well because in essence what you're saying is that a lot of the time people just need a tool to do a job. I fully agree with that and can see that a diesel fits the bill very well; however, if that's the case why wouldn't something like a diesel Focus or the latest Golf GTD do the day job you describe? Much lower running costs than a 635d and if you're doing long runs on a motorway it would get you there just as quickly with decent levels of comfort and refinement; with the money you've saved you could also get an Elise or a Caterham for fun at the weekends!

You are, in many ways, preaching to the converted here. I wouldn't be spending £50k on a 6-Series in the first place. However, the OP didn't say he was either. He said he'd like a 6er and I've said that I think the 635d is well worthy of consideration, on merit, and stands comparison with the 630i very favourably and also fairs very well against a 645 IMO

JNW1 said:

Therefore, I stick by my assertion that a 635d is something people want as opposed to need and if we're talking wants then for that money I'll have a secondhand V8 M3 plus cash thanks very much! Yes it will cost more to run but if you're that worried about things like servicing and fuel consumption you probably shouldn't be looking at cars at that price level in the first place!

The OP said he'd like a 6er, your preference for an M3 is a personal one, which would cost the same or more as a 2nd hand 6er btw (not sure where you make your cash saving), may not be relevant.

I think 99% of the population would have concerns over running costs. Not many people can afford to throw their money away in any financial climate, especially not the current one.
My car is in that price bracket but it costs less to run than a Golf/Focus diesel - go figure Just because you can afford to invest in something doesn't mean you're happy to continue throwing money at it.

JNW1 said:

I do agree with your point on car weights but sadly that's a sign of the times; not a problem if you trade that 635d for a Golf and a Caterham though!!

Again, no argument but not what the OP was looking into. I think that's a whole new, different, thread.

The OP actually talked about a choice between a 630i and a 650i so on that basis a 635d isn't quite what he was looking at either (although I do understand why you suggested it!). My cash saving was based on an assumption that in the current market you can probably pick-up a secondhand M3 for less than a 635d and my reasoning there was that the 635d has a higher initial price and is supposed to depreciate less!

Anyway, leaving all that aside where I was coming from is the OP currently has an M5 and appears to be looking to sell because he fancies a change rather than because finances are forcing him to do so. I think he'd find either a 630i or a 650i a tad lacking in driver appeal after the M5 and frankly I can't see a 635d being any better (not driven one but have driven the 335d coupe which is a cracking machine but dull as dishwater compared to an M-car IMO). I do understand the potential issues around running costs but they don't appear to be a critical factor to the OP hence my suggestion to consider a secondhand M3; as I've said before, it's not a rehersal!

[derestrictor]

ferrisbueller said:

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The highest grade of piffle I've seen on PH thus far in 09.

[The GMan]

Not to everyones taste but I love those Alpina alloys on the 6 series!

Edited by The GMan on Wednesday 7th January 14:39

[Zod]

derestrictor said:

ferrisbueller said:

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The highest grade of piffle I've seen on PH thus far in 09.

Listen to the restriction abatement man!

[ferrisbueller]

derestrictor said:

ferrisbueller said:

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The highest grade of piffle I've seen on PH thus far in 09.

I'm no doubt missing your point DeR - if the M5/6 was every driver's car you'd ever need you wouldn't also own a 996 TT and a R400?

Edited by ferrisbueller on Wednesday 7th January 19:09

[berry100]

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The point I was making in my previous post is that you don't buy a £50k 635d because you need one, you buy one because you want one! Your first paragraph actually makes my point very well because in essence what you're saying is that a lot of the time people just need a tool to do a job. I fully agree with that and can see that a diesel fits the bill very well; however, if that's the case why wouldn't something like a diesel Focus or the latest Golf GTD do the day job you describe? Much lower running costs than a 635d and if you're doing long runs on a motorway it would get you there just as quickly with decent levels of comfort and refinement; with the money you've saved you could also get an Elise or a Caterham for fun at the weekends!

You are, in many ways, preaching to the converted here. I wouldn't be spending £50k on a 6-Series in the first place. However, the OP didn't say he was either. He said he'd like a 6er and I've said that I think the 635d is well worthy of consideration, on merit, and stands comparison with the 630i very favourably and also fairs very well against a 645 IMO

JNW1 said:

Therefore, I stick by my assertion that a 635d is something people want as opposed to need and if we're talking wants then for that money I'll have a secondhand V8 M3 plus cash thanks very much! Yes it will cost more to run but if you're that worried about things like servicing and fuel consumption you probably shouldn't be looking at cars at that price level in the first place!

The OP said he'd like a 6er, your preference for an M3 is a personal one, which would cost the same or more as a 2nd hand 6er btw (not sure where you make your cash saving), may not be relevant.

I think 99% of the population would have concerns over running costs. Not many people can afford to throw their money away in any financial climate, especially not the current one.
My car is in that price bracket but it costs less to run than a Golf/Focus diesel - go figure Just because you can afford to invest in something doesn't mean you're happy to continue throwing money at it.

JNW1 said:

I do agree with your point on car weights but sadly that's a sign of the times; not a problem if you trade that 635d for a Golf and a Caterham though!!

Again, no argument but not what the OP was looking into. I think that's a whole new, different, thread.

The OP actually talked about a choice between a 630i and a 650i so on that basis a 635d isn't quite what he was looking at either (although I do understand why you suggested it!). My cash saving was based on an assumption that in the current market you can probably pick-up a secondhand M3 for less than a 635d and my reasoning there was that the 635d has a higher initial price and is supposed to depreciate less!

Anyway, leaving all that aside where I was coming from is the OP currently has an M5 and appears to be looking to sell because he fancies a change rather than because finances are forcing him to do so. I think he'd find either a 630i or a 650i a tad lacking in driver appeal after the M5 and frankly I can't see a 635d being any better (not driven one but have driven the 335d coupe which is a cracking machine but dull as dishwater compared to an M-car IMO). I do understand the potential issues around running costs but they don't appear to be a critical factor to the OP hence my suggestion to consider a secondhand M3; as I've said before, it's not a rehersal!

Nearly right! It will need something serious to replace the M5 driver appeal wise, what I'm trying to do is find a compromise, so basically:-

Nice to drive, comfy and aesthetically pleasing to the the eye of the beholder (being me!) both inside and out...so to me the 6er...don't want to turn this into a what car thread....as basically the car is to transport myself to work (11/12k miles PA) followed by family trips/weekends etc (3k milesish) - Potential extra pocket money here of £2k PA ish...wit woo though knowing me, it will go towards a little slush fund to change it again when I'm bored!!

The cost side is a potential bonus and certainly one to please the other half and earn brownie points for myself :-)

I'll end up ressurecting this thread in 7/8 months after the summer to update what I've actually bought in the end!!

Edited by berry100 on Wednesday 7th January 17:30

[JNW1]

berry100 said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

JNW1 said:

ferrisbueller said:

dubbs said:

Banned

In all seriousness, the 635d is all the car many people would need. IMO it's better than the 630i and decent competition for the V8 models (and that's not a pure economy based argument - it's a solid GT).

Cars like the 635d and the 335d may indeed be all the car many people need (although if you follow that to its logical conclusion many people don't actually need anything more than a diesel Focus!). However, I suggest the point is that they're not all the car keen drivers WANT!

Rather depends what you're using it for. i.e. 20k miles a year on the motorway renders the M-car redundant IMO. Also, there are a number of issues with an M5/6 e.g. Opportunities to exploit 500+ bhp are limited on UK roads, running costs are prohibitive and depreciation can be eye-watering.

Also, I'd suggest "keen drivers" wouldn't be driving something that weighs nigh on two tonnes.

The point I was making in my previous post is that you don't buy a £50k 635d because you need one, you buy one because you want one! Your first paragraph actually makes my point very well because in essence what you're saying is that a lot of the time people just need a tool to do a job. I fully agree with that and can see that a diesel fits the bill very well; however, if that's the case why wouldn't something like a diesel Focus or the latest Golf GTD do the day job you describe? Much lower running costs than a 635d and if you're doing long runs on a motorway it would get you there just as quickly with decent levels of comfort and refinement; with the money you've saved you could also get an Elise or a Caterham for fun at the weekends!

You are, in many ways, preaching to the converted here. I wouldn't be spending £50k on a 6-Series in the first place. However, the OP didn't say he was either. He said he'd like a 6er and I've said that I think the 635d is well worthy of consideration, on merit, and stands comparison with the 630i very favourably and also fairs very well against a 645 IMO

JNW1 said:

Therefore, I stick by my assertion that a 635d is something people want as opposed to need and if we're talking wants then for that money I'll have a secondhand V8 M3 plus cash thanks very much! Yes it will cost more to run but if you're that worried about things like servicing and fuel consumption you probably shouldn't be looking at cars at that price level in the first place!

The OP said he'd like a 6er, your preference for an M3 is a personal one, which would cost the same or more as a 2nd hand 6er btw (not sure where you make your cash saving), may not be relevant.

I think 99% of the population would have concerns over running costs. Not many people can afford to throw their money away in any financial climate, especially not the current one.
My car is in that price bracket but it costs less to run than a Golf/Focus diesel - go figure Just because you can afford to invest in something doesn't mean you're happy to continue throwing money at it.

JNW1 said:

I do agree with your point on car weights but sadly that's a sign of the times; not a problem if you trade that 635d for a Golf and a Caterham though!!

Again, no argument but not what the OP was looking into. I think that's a whole new, different, thread.

The OP actually talked about a choice between a 630i and a 650i so on that basis a 635d isn't quite what he was looking at either (although I do understand why you suggested it!). My cash saving was based on an assumption that in the current market you can probably pick-up a secondhand M3 for less than a 635d and my reasoning there was that the 635d has a higher initial price and is supposed to depreciate less!

Anyway, leaving all that aside where I was coming from is the OP currently has an M5 and appears to be looking to sell because he fancies a change rather than because finances are forcing him to do so. I think he'd find either a 630i or a 650i a tad lacking in driver appeal after the M5 and frankly I can't see a 635d being any better (not driven one but have driven the 335d coupe which is a cracking machine but dull as dishwater compared to an M-car IMO). I do understand the potential issues around running costs but they don't appear to be a critical factor to the OP hence my suggestion to consider a secondhand M3; as I've said before, it's not a rehersal!

Nearly right! It will need something serious to replace the M5 driver appeal wise, what I'm trying to do is find a compromise, so basically:-

Nice to drive, comfy and aesthetically pleasing to the the eye of the beholder (being me!) both inside and out...so to me the 6er...don't want to turn this into a what car thread....as basically the car is to transport myself to work (11/12k miles PA) followed by family trips/weekends etc (3k milesish) - Potential extra pocket money here of £2k PA ish...wit woo though knowing me, it will go towards a little slush fund to change it again when I'm bored!!

The cost side is a potential bonus and certainly one to please the other half and earn brownie points for myself :-)

I'll end up ressurecting this thread in 7/8 months after the summer to update what I've actually bought in the end!!

Edited by berry100 on Wednesday 7th January 17:30

Good luck with whatever you decide, let us know the outcome!

[Boulder]

Itd have to be the 650i,630i will dissapoint.

They arent special enough though,new XKR looks better.