R1 stolen in broad daylight
Discussion
blade7 said:
Would you steam into 4 
s with a lot less to lose than you, if they were armed with angle grinders etc and it wasn't your bike ?
I had a crack at a scumbag who'd broken into my then-g/f's Skoda Rapid (FFS, high class of crim in Middlesbrough), he pulled a large knife on me, waved it around a bit then ran off, so yes, based on the fact that they're mostly total ss with a lot less to lose than you, if they were armed with angle grinders etc and it wasn't your bike ?t-houses I would have a go... and I'm a lot older now.In fact, if I was in the works van, I'd get my own cordless angle grinder out and even the odds
Unless and until someone stands up to them, they'll just carry on seeing easy pickings.
...and another thing, battery angle grinders have a very short duration even from fully charged, so just keep the tosser cornered until his battery is flat and then 'have a word'...
ETA: as an alternative, while he's waving the grinder around, either try and clout the disc with a suitable stick or throw a jacket over it; the disc will either shatter from impact or jam on the cloth, they're only made of bonded particles, not steel.
Edited by Wedg1e on Saturday 18th March 22:40
Wedg1e said:
I had a crack at a scumbag who'd broken into my then-g/f's Skoda Rapid (FFS, high class of crim in Middlesbrough), he pulled a large knife on me, waved it around a bit then ran off, so yes, based on the fact that they're mostly total st-houses I would have a go... and I'm a lot older now.
t-houses I would have a go... and I'm a lot older now.
dxg said:
Surely, then, all it would take to stop this is for the manufacturers to add a lock on the clutch lever which only disengages when the ignition is live?
Lol have you ever ridden a motorcycle? You can stomp it into first, thumb the starter and ride away - they don't need clutches except to prevent stalling when you stop.
Or you can knock it into neutral just as easy.
The scooter guys stick the bike in neutral and then push the bike up the road using another scooter an pillion holding the nicked bikes riders jacket
hman said:
dxg said:
Surely, then, all it would take to stop this is for the manufacturers to add a lock on the clutch lever which only disengages when the ignition is live?
Lol have you ever ridden a motorcycle? What about a device that locks a hub, then? Not too dissimilar to a steering lock? I'm trying to suggest that there must be a physical solution out there... is there?
Wedg1e said:
...and another thing, battery angle grinders have a very short duration even from fully charged, so just keep the tosser cornered until his battery is flat and then
I'm not so sure that's going to work...... If you aren't actually grinding something, then there is no load on the motor and it doesn't use much power; anything that happens will be all over within 30 secs or thereabout so there isn't time for the battery to run out; they don't have to have it on all the time and maybe they will save the battery right up until it gets switched on to gride your face....obscene said:
theshrew said:
Indeed they don't, that's probably due to the fact that they don't get caught. Dibble are not interested at all.
Doing 65 mph in a 60 limit on a open quiet road is crime of the year. Yet theses get away with whatever they like init braaa
This. Swear the police are more interested in speeding as they can catch you and give you a big fine instead of going after real criminals. Some vigilante needs to take a baseball bat to these lot and beat them into a pulp. Doing 65 mph in a 60 limit on a open quiet road is crime of the year. Yet these
s get away with whatever they like init braaaThinking back I would have been an idiot to go out there to confront 2 blokes who would have definitely had knives. They'd be wearing helmets too so disabling the pair of them would be much harder. Might be able to hold one down but for how long whilst being beaten by the second? I could probably go a couple minutes unless they had a knife or bat of some sort.
As much as we hate the scummers that do the nicking, surely the real problem is further up the food chain?
Where are all these bikes going? Loads are being nicked, so they're going somewhere.
My guess is either abroad, broken for parts to sell on eBay, or both.
Either way it's serious organised crime. The scrotes who do the stealing probably get, I don't know, £100 a time? Lock them up and the next guy steps up and steals. And the next, and the same after them.
To only way to stop this is to cut the head off the snake. Until you find the big organised gang(s) that are creating the market for so many stolen bikes, you simply cannot hope to stop the thefts.
Regarding these bikes being broken for parts, we probably unwittingly buy parts ourselves, and fuel the problem. Even on the little 675 forum I use, occasionally brand new posters appear selling frames 'for track or stunt use only' with no documents and numbers ground off. I call them out on it, but still, some of the racers argue it is'possible' to be legit. Well, yes it is possible, but we all know how unlikely it is. However everyone wants a bargain ....
Where are all these bikes going? Loads are being nicked, so they're going somewhere.
My guess is either abroad, broken for parts to sell on eBay, or both.
Either way it's serious organised crime. The scrotes who do the stealing probably get, I don't know, £100 a time? Lock them up and the next guy steps up and steals. And the next, and the same after them.
To only way to stop this is to cut the head off the snake. Until you find the big organised gang(s) that are creating the market for so many stolen bikes, you simply cannot hope to stop the thefts.
Regarding these bikes being broken for parts, we probably unwittingly buy parts ourselves, and fuel the problem. Even on the little 675 forum I use, occasionally brand new posters appear selling frames 'for track or stunt use only' with no documents and numbers ground off. I call them out on it, but still, some of the racers argue it is'possible' to be legit. Well, yes it is possible, but we all know how unlikely it is. However everyone wants a bargain ....
Just to add, this isn't like when I was growing up and car theft was a major problem. That was the people who nicked them went joyriding and burnt them out. Insurance was bonkers for fast cars, particularly fords. In that case the 'end user' was the thief itself. Not here...
Thread creep - when did joyriding and burning cars stop being a thing? Mid 90s? I guess cars got harder to steal, and the 'culture' moved on. I'm getting all nostalgic.
Thread creep - when did joyriding and burning cars stop being a thing? Mid 90s? I guess cars got harder to steal, and the 'culture' moved on. I'm getting all nostalgic.
Having had someone come at me with a screwdriver just last night as i tried to stop my neighbours house being burgled and car being stolen - let me say this as an (actual) powerfully built company director trying to dominate my (actual) driveway. Fight or flight is a very powerful thing. I chose to approach and fight initially and then flight - why? my missus was at the front door, we have a 5-week old newborn, it was my neighbours car, the lad threatened to come back and "do my family", the lad had a screwdriver and he didn't care.. i didnt know how many of them they were.. i had a hockey stick.
1-30 man brawls on a rugby pitch going full tilt is not unknown to me - the better part of my 20's and early 30's have been spent brawling on a pitch every Saturday with lads twice my size and strength. But that has always been an equal footing - and we always had a pint with the opposing team after and laughed about how Dave got eye gouged.
Whilst being twice the lads size the odds were in his favour, he simply wanted to get away as quick as possible with the car and if he was prepared to burgle someones property on a Saturday evening during Ant and Dec then stabbing someone was probably in his repertoire as well.
As i sit here with my newborn in my arms after a sleepless night or marching backwards and forwards in the house looking out various windows, and equally "tooling myself up" to his level and more - as clarified with the lovely police officers on what equates to equal measures and home/family protection. I believe i made the right choice.
I have had banter already from the lads about being a fanny, but equally in droves they have offered to come and sleep around mine for the next week. Obviously i will be ridiculed on here by many, but none of you will offer to come and sleep on my sofa will you?
Car was a BMW M4. No, i didn't see the lads face.
Yes, I hope he hits a tree and lies in a ditch for a couple of days, but lives - only to be in agony for the rest of his sorry meaningless life.
1-30 man brawls on a rugby pitch going full tilt is not unknown to me - the better part of my 20's and early 30's have been spent brawling on a pitch every Saturday with lads twice my size and strength. But that has always been an equal footing - and we always had a pint with the opposing team after and laughed about how Dave got eye gouged.
Whilst being twice the lads size the odds were in his favour, he simply wanted to get away as quick as possible with the car and if he was prepared to burgle someones property on a Saturday evening during Ant and Dec then stabbing someone was probably in his repertoire as well.
As i sit here with my newborn in my arms after a sleepless night or marching backwards and forwards in the house looking out various windows, and equally "tooling myself up" to his level and more - as clarified with the lovely police officers on what equates to equal measures and home/family protection. I believe i made the right choice.
I have had banter already from the lads about being a fanny, but equally in droves they have offered to come and sleep around mine for the next week. Obviously i will be ridiculed on here by many, but none of you will offer to come and sleep on my sofa will you?
Car was a BMW M4. No, i didn't see the lads face.
Yes, I hope he hits a tree and lies in a ditch for a couple of days, but lives - only to be in agony for the rest of his sorry meaningless life.
Yes we all hate the scumbags, quite frankly if I was there I might well be tempted to have a go, even though it's not my property.
Thing is though, this isn't new, back in the 2000's the only time I took my bikes to work was when I had offroad secure parking, leaving a brand new superbike on the streets of London is pretty much charity for crooks, doesn't make it right but it's the truth.
Thing is though, this isn't new, back in the 2000's the only time I took my bikes to work was when I had offroad secure parking, leaving a brand new superbike on the streets of London is pretty much charity for crooks, doesn't make it right but it's the truth.
creampuff said:
I'm not so sure that's going to work...... If you aren't actually grinding something, then there is no load on the motor and it doesn't use much power; anything that happens will be all over within 30 secs or thereabout so there isn't time for the battery to run out; they don't have to have it on all the time and maybe they will save the battery right up until it gets switched on to gride your face....
A grinder that's not running isn't a threat... watch the Youtube vids and laddo is always waving it around like some sort of Minigun. While he's doing that he's not grinding anything and the point stands: the battery will not last forever if you keep it running.Also, presumably you're not going to be charging in face-first...?
creampuff said:
^ I can tell you that the thought of me being arrested, investigated, prosecuted or all three would be the first thing I'd think of if I saw a bike being stolen and was temped to intervene. Right after that would be the thought of a civil claim from the petty crook if they were injured in the process. After I thought about all that, only then would I wonder if they were armed.
None of the above crossed my mind when I had a crack at the scrote in Middlesbrough; what mattered to me was that my g/f was distressed by repeated attacks on her car (and mine as well) and I saw lying in wait and having a crack as the only way of supporting her (apart from replacing multiple broken windows).It got so bad that I ended up leaving my Renault unlocked and taking the stereo out every night but it was still 'checked out' several times as I had to get up to reset the alarm.
I'm no hero but I will only take so much sh!t.
Wedg1e said:
A grinder that's not running isn't a threat... watch the Youtube vids and laddo is always waving it around like some sort of Minigun. While he's doing that he's not grinding anything and the point stands: the battery will not last forever if you keep it running.
Also, presumably you're not going to be charging in face-first...?
If you get walloped by it, it'll hurt whether running or not. Are you some sort of superhero who can only be hurt if hit in the face? The rest of my body hurts just as much. How long do you think you can keep four thugs with a grinder occupied to run the battery down? Also, presumably you're not going to be charging in face-first...?
You're dreaming if you think you could do anything other than take a beating if they took you on.
Gavia said:
If you get walloped by it, it'll hurt whether running or not. Are you some sort of superhero who can only be hurt if hit in the face? The rest of my body hurts just as much. How long do you think you can keep four thugs with a grinder occupied to run the battery down?
You're dreaming if you think you could do anything other than take a beating if they took you on.
Who said anything about 4? The vids I've seen show two scrotes, neither of who back up the other because they're too busy waving tools around.You're dreaming if you think you could do anything other than take a beating if they took you on.
I thought we were working on the principle that one bystander per one scumbag is a fair fight. Whatever they're tooled up with is going to hurt, so either delay them enough for the bystanders to get bolder and pile in, or the Police show up.
Once they start making contact with you, you have nothing to lose so give as good as you get. Or do I misunderstand the point of self-defence?
Wedg1e said:
Who said anything about 4? The vids I've seen show two scrotes, neither of who back up the other because they're too busy waving tools around.
I thought we were working on the principle that one bystander per one scumbag is a fair fight. Whatever they're tooled up with is going to hurt, so either delay them enough for the bystanders to get bolder and pile in, or the Police show up.
Once they start making contact with you, you have nothing to lose so give as good as you get. Or do I misunderstand the point of self-defence?
The video that started this thread and the one that we're all discussing has four scrotes stealing an R1, it's even called "four thieves steal an R1". I thought we were working on the principle that one bystander per one scumbag is a fair fight. Whatever they're tooled up with is going to hurt, so either delay them enough for the bystanders to get bolder and pile in, or the Police show up.
Once they start making contact with you, you have nothing to lose so give as good as you get. Or do I misunderstand the point of self-defence?
One on one is not a fair fight if on eof then has a weapon.
People don't just pile in. I certainly wouldn't. It's a piece of insured metal. There's no way I'm risking serious injury over it. I wouldn't do it for my own property. The only time I would do it is when / if someone started on me, that's self defence. I think you're a dreamer if you believe you could stop this happening, even more so that you think you can occupy an armed thug without getting injured, potentially seriously.
Maybe there's another way to look at this.
You wade in, there are two of them sat on bikes (their getaway vehicles). Will they want to get of them ?
One guy is sat on the ground for a while.
Take out the one that is stood up, will the rest want to get involved in a scrap ? Or will they want to do a runner ?
You wade in, there are two of them sat on bikes (their getaway vehicles). Will they want to get of them ?
One guy is sat on the ground for a while.
Take out the one that is stood up, will the rest want to get involved in a scrap ? Or will they want to do a runner ?
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