CBT and general bike tinkering

CBT and general bike tinkering

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arcticGT

929 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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Interesting opinions - I’m half way through a DAS course alongside another lad. He has a 125 to practice on, I don’t. (I was impatient and bought a 765R that sitting in the garage instead) I’m finding it quite a struggle to get “comfortable” with things. Starting to think a 125 to practice slow speed stuff would been the better idea.

Scobblelotcher

1,245 posts

68 months

Wednesday 3rd June
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arcticGT said:
Interesting opinions - I’m half way through a DAS course alongside another lad. He has a 125 to practice on, I don’t. (I was impatient and bought a 765R that sitting in the garage instead) I’m finding it quite a struggle to get “comfortable” with things. Starting to think a 125 to practice slow speed stuff would been the better idea.
I did similar and also struggled during DAS but managed to pass first time. The chap I was learning with was also an experienced rider and I had never been on any bike. CBT on the Sunday and then mon-Thursday DAS. He was infinitely better than I was which made it far worse for me but I decided to just hang in there and do my best.

Stick with it and try not to pressure yourself and I’m sure it will come, if you don’t pass first time just treat it as experience and then practice and do it again quickly!

Think of the 765R!

ruprechtmonkeyboy

849 posts

43 months

Friday 5th June
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So update on this - just got an email through that my theory has been cancelled next Tuesday. Third time now. No mention on what dates they will be resuming. Thinking of forgetting all about it, bumbling around on my 125 stter for a year and doing my tests next year.

Right old faff!

arcticGT

929 posts

168 months

Friday 5th June
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If you can be classed as a key worker then you can apply for an emergency test (theory and the Mod 1/2).

mad4amanda

2,358 posts

120 months

Friday 5th June
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keyworker test slots are NHS only in the south east no test dates for another 3 months at least according to our school and then those that were cancelled when lockdown happened will be given priority. Think it will be 6 months at least for everyone else.
the comments about CBT being rushed or the bikes crap ( 12 year old YBR) purely point to some schools being rubbish do your research ask what you will be riding anything over 4 years old will be knackered as school bikes have a hard life our CBT is at least 6 hours and on bikes all under 3 years old, at the moment they are 121 as well.
This is why some schools got closed last year, like I said ask lots of questions and listen and choose your school , look for Manufacturer schools like the Honda School set up they are very good , but I would say that!

ruprechtmonkeyboy

849 posts

43 months

Friday 5th June
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mad4amanda said:
keyworker test slots are NHS only in the south east no test dates for another 3 months at least according to our school and then those that were cancelled when lockdown happened will be given priority. Think it will be 6 months at least for everyone else.
the comments about CBT being rushed or the bikes crap ( 12 year old YBR) purely point to some schools being rubbish do your research ask what you will be riding anything over 4 years old will be knackered as school bikes have a hard life our CBT is at least 6 hours and on bikes all under 3 years old, at the moment they are 121 as well.
This is why some schools got closed last year, like I said ask lots of questions and listen and choose your school , look for Manufacturer schools like the Honda School set up they are very good , but I would say that!
Well at least I'll be in the priority list which is some comfort. The GSXR 600 in the garage will have to wait although the YBR 125 I bought was initially only going to be for a couple of months until I pass my test it looks like I'll be keeping it now for a quite a while! At least I can get out and about practicing riding on it which is a positive. smile

Krise

458 posts

166 months

Friday 5th June
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mad4amanda said:
keyworker test slots are NHS only in the south east no test dates for another 3 months at least according to our school and then those that were cancelled when lockdown happened will be given priority. Think it will be 6 months at least for everyone else.
the comments about CBT being rushed or the bikes crap ( 12 year old YBR) purely point to some schools being rubbish do your research ask what you will be riding anything over 4 years old will be knackered as school bikes have a hard life our CBT is at least 6 hours and on bikes all under 3 years old, at the moment they are 121 as well.
This is why some schools got closed last year, like I said ask lots of questions and listen and choose your school , look for Manufacturer schools like the Honda School set up they are very good , but I would say that!
I’m hoping to get my DAS done before the 27th July, my theory expires on the 27th, it’s the 3rd time I have done it and let it expire !!

mad4amanda

2,358 posts

120 months

Saturday 6th June
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Krise said:
mad4amanda said:
keyworker test slots are NHS only in the south east no test dates for another 3 months at least according to our school and then those that were cancelled when lockdown happened will be given priority. Think it will be 6 months at least for everyone else.
the comments about CBT being rushed or the bikes crap ( 12 year old YBR) purely point to some schools being rubbish do your research ask what you will be riding anything over 4 years old will be knackered as school bikes have a hard life our CBT is at least 6 hours and on bikes all under 3 years old, at the moment they are 121 as well.
This is why some schools got closed last year, like I said ask lots of questions and listen and choose your school , look for Manufacturer schools like the Honda School set up they are very good , but I would say that!
I’m hoping to get my DAS done before the 27th July, my theory expires on the 27th, it’s the 3rd time I have done it and let it expire !!
Trust me if this happens I will be amazed and as happy as you are , please let me know what happens , where are you in the country?

maxripper

4 posts

37 months

Saturday 6th June
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As a cbt/das training provider in the South East we have at this point been given any no indication from the DVSA that test slots will not be available for 3 months (this however may end up being the case!) To be honest we haven't had a peep from them since they cancelled ongoing tests in March! I suspect that they are reviewing the situation on a weekly basis and may return offering tests at any moment however many examiners fall into the at risk category so I would expect a ltd availability of tests. Suns out boys and girls get out on those 125s and enjoy the weather...

ruprechtmonkeyboy

849 posts

43 months

Saturday 6th June
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Had an email from DVSA this morning. They assigned me a 'placeholder' enabling me to rebook my test. The earliest I could get was the 24th July (that's in Watford).

Krise

458 posts

166 months

Saturday 6th June
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mad4amanda said:
Krise said:
mad4amanda said:
keyworker test slots are NHS only in the south east no test dates for another 3 months at least according to our school and then those that were cancelled when lockdown happened will be given priority. Think it will be 6 months at least for everyone else.
the comments about CBT being rushed or the bikes crap ( 12 year old YBR) purely point to some schools being rubbish do your research ask what you will be riding anything over 4 years old will be knackered as school bikes have a hard life our CBT is at least 6 hours and on bikes all under 3 years old, at the moment they are 121 as well.
This is why some schools got closed last year, like I said ask lots of questions and listen and choose your school , look for Manufacturer schools like the Honda School set up they are very good , but I would say that!
I’m hoping to get my DAS done before the 27th July, my theory expires on the 27th, it’s the 3rd time I have done it and let it expire !!
Trust me if this happens I will be amazed and as happy as you are , please let me know what happens , where are you in the country?
I’m in London, none of the bike schools are even teaching at the minute, I was hoping to at least get some lessons, but the schools aren’t even doing lessons.

Krise

458 posts

166 months

Saturday 6th June
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maxripper said:
As a cbt/das training provider in the South East we have at this point been given any no indication from the DVSA that test slots will not be available for 3 months (this however may end up being the case!) To be honest we haven't had a peep from them since they cancelled ongoing tests in March! I suspect that they are reviewing the situation on a weekly basis and may return offering tests at any moment however many examiners fall into the at risk category so I would expect a ltd availability of tests. Suns out boys and girls get out on those 125s and enjoy the weather...
Max
Are you guys doing any training at all ? I understand I can’t do my test but I’m hoping I can find someone who I can make a start with then hopefully grab one of the first tests when there are announced, my theory expires on the 27th July unfortunately

Pete-mojsh

Original Poster:

190 posts

52 months

Monday 8th June
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Did the CBT yesterday, nice morning for the manoeuvres but absolutely pissed it down for the road ride in the afternoon. Despite the rain I actually had a great time, I was a lot more comfortable on the road than the other person on the ride so ended up going a slower pace while he led for the first part but managed to carry a decent pace when I had my chance to lead. I need more practice on the manoeuvres to get it as smooth as I would like but all were done without any real fuss. I got more confident as the day went on as it started to feel more natural, overall I'm happy with how it went as before today I had never ridden a motorbike before. Lots to work on before I would do the mod 1 and 2 but definitely something I'm going to pursue.




Krikkit

18,978 posts

137 months

Monday 8th June
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Pete-mojsh said:
I got more confident as the day went on as it started to feel more natural, overall I'm happy with how it went as before today I had never ridden a motorbike before. Lots to work on before I would do the mod 1 and 2 but definitely something I'm going to pursue.
Good to hear, the further up the ladder you get the nicer the bikes get too which really does make it easier. A bigger bike with more weight is easier for everything except pushing.

ArnageWRC

1,130 posts

115 months

Monday 8th June
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I did my CBT about 20 years ago; didn't really enjoy the early part, I couldn't put the bike on the centre stand, for some reason - and that affected my confidence for a short while. Got better doing manoeuvres on the schoolyard, but was dreading going out on the road. Apart from a slight 'hairy braking moment' in the first 500 yards, it was fabulous; really enjoyed it, everything seemed to flow, and the different view of the road was an eye opener. Got my 'certificate' and was advised that I was more than capable of doing the DAS. Sadly, I struggled to get enough time off in the following months when I wanted to do it, and by now it was into winter, so I left it. And never got round to it......

What I do think, as a car driver and cyclist, is the CBT should be part of any driver training; it gives you a different perspective on driving on the road. It will never happen, mind you. The motorcyclist lobby don't have the influence in the corridors of power, unlike the car.

Pete-mojsh

Original Poster:

190 posts

52 months

Monday 8th June
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Krikkit said:
Good to hear, the further up the ladder you get the nicer the bikes get too which really does make it easier. A bigger bike with more weight is easier for everything except pushing.
I think I'll be booking in for a 4 hour lesson in a few weeks, would like the weather to pick up a bit before upping it to a larger bike. You could be a bit more ham-fisted with a 125 without getting in much trouble but I think a larger bike with more torque and weight would be better for the manoeuvres. Depending on when access to theory and module dates become available again it wouldn't be the worst thing to have a 125 to practice on, for someone new to it I quite enjoyed the experience rather than it being dependent on the power available (although a rather heady 50mph was reached). Obviously this will change over time as my competence increases but in the early stages I just enjoyed the feeling of freedom that being on a bike gives.

Pete-mojsh

Original Poster:

190 posts

52 months

Sunday 14th June
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With theory tests being cancelled all over the place and no information from the dvsa I decided to look for a 125, enjoy the summer and actually learn to ride, the DAS can come at a later date and I can get some more experience of the low speed manoeuvres and road riding. I've bought an MT 125 that should do quite nicely, nice looking bike, service history, 1 owner and shouldn't lose much money if any when it's time to move up. Just waiting for confirmation of when it will be delivered.

In the interim I'll be off to get a helmet and some other gear tomorrow, I'll just have to deal with the annoyance of L plates for a bit.

mad4amanda

2,358 posts

120 months

Sunday 14th June
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good choice, DVSA have cancelled all theory tests locally that were booked for July going to be a long wait for some.

ruprechtmonkeyboy

849 posts

43 months

Monday 15th June
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Pete-mojsh said:
With theory tests being cancelled all over the place and no information from the dvsa I decided to look for a 125, enjoy the summer and actually learn to ride, the DAS can come at a later date and I can get some more experience of the low speed manoeuvres and road riding. I've bought an MT 125 that should do quite nicely, nice looking bike, service history, 1 owner and shouldn't lose much money if any when it's time to move up. Just waiting for confirmation of when it will be delivered.

In the interim I'll be off to get a helmet and some other gear tomorrow, I'll just have to deal with the annoyance of L plates for a bit.
I'm enjoying my YBR125 and the last month or so of riding about have done wonders for my confidence. I also feel like I have nailed the slow speed manoeuvres so it was definitely worthwhile buying one. The only negatives I've noticed on a 125 are hill starts (especially when there is loads of traffic behind) as you have to rev the nuts of the thing to get it going, some chap in a car just shot round me yesterday as he couldn't be bothered to wait (I guess the L plates have something to do with that) and whilst they are well suited to town riding you feel pretty exposed out on the faster A roads.

Edited to add - I'm certainly looking forward to riding a bike with more power smile


Edited by ruprechtmonkeyboy on Monday 15th June 08:53

mad4amanda

2,358 posts

120 months

Monday 15th June
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