Loud Bikes or quiet
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ARHarh said:
I now have to listen to those middle aged men in power ranger outfits racing around the countryside again. I can here them coming from miles away, its really not a nice noise. Oh and a couple of them have even slowed down to ride through the village. No wonder the locals want speed cameras and extra police on the roads controlling them. Its not only Bikes there are plenty of kids in cars with popping exhausts who should also be fined. Why would you want your car to pop and bang on the over run?
Wow, lots going on in this one. So for the first point, middle aged men...how can you tell how old someone is from a noise?? Or is that an typical shouty internet comment? 
. Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding? And didn't power rangers wear lycra rather than leather? It's quite comical actually, it's usually the people who band around the witty "power ranger" comment who are first to express moral outrage when they see someone riding a bike in shorts and t-shirt too, it's a funny old world isn't it?!
. Speed cameras?? This was about exhausts, what has speed got to do with anything? We've already established in this thread that it's Harleys that seem to cause the most outrage...when do you see a Harley speeding?
Or it just another knee jerk comment? Speed and sound aren't always necessarily linked, but I suppose you're again just making the sweeping generalisation that because someone has fitted a noisier exhaust that they're a wreckless hooligan of course.As for "kids in cars"...surely by definition, a "kid" wouldn't be driving a car in the first place? Or is that another empty comment based on your social stereotyping prowess?
The constant desire to control what everyone else does based on your own opinion of what is deemed a nuisance, doesn't make you a better class of citizen you know?
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Wow, lots going on in this one. So for the first point, middle aged men...how can you tell how old someone is from a noise?? Or is that an typical shouty internet comment? .
Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding? And didn't power rangers wear lycra rather than leather? It's quite comical actually, it's usually the people who band around the witty "power ranger" comment who are first to express moral outrage when they see someone riding a bike in shorts and t-shirt too, it's a funny old world isn't it?!.
Speed cameras?? This was about exhausts, what has speed got to do with anything? We've already established in this thread that it's Harleys that seem to cause the most outrage...when do you see a Harley speeding? Or it just another knee jerk comment? Speed and sound aren't always necessarily linked, but I suppose you're again just making the sweeping generalisation that because someone has fitted a noisier exhaust that they're a wreckless hooligan of course.
As for "kids in cars"...surely by definition, a "kid" wouldn't be driving a car in the first place? Or is that another empty comment based on your social stereotyping prowess?
The constant desire to control what everyone else does based on your own opinion of what is deemed a nuisance, doesn't make you a better class of citizen you know?
. Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding? And didn't power rangers wear lycra rather than leather? It's quite comical actually, it's usually the people who band around the witty "power ranger" comment who are first to express moral outrage when they see someone riding a bike in shorts and t-shirt too, it's a funny old world isn't it?!
. Speed cameras?? This was about exhausts, what has speed got to do with anything? We've already established in this thread that it's Harleys that seem to cause the most outrage...when do you see a Harley speeding?
Or it just another knee jerk comment? Speed and sound aren't always necessarily linked, but I suppose you're again just making the sweeping generalisation that because someone has fitted a noisier exhaust that they're a wreckless hooligan of course.As for "kids in cars"...surely by definition, a "kid" wouldn't be driving a car in the first place? Or is that another empty comment based on your social stereotyping prowess?
The constant desire to control what everyone else does based on your own opinion of what is deemed a nuisance, doesn't make you a better class of citizen you know?
But, but, but, but ..... The noisy men.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Wow, lots going on in this one. So for the first point, middle aged men...how can you tell how old someone is from a noise?? Or is that an typical shouty internet comment? .
Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding?
Defensive much?. Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding?
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
Wow, lots going on in this one. So for the first point, middle aged men...how can you tell how old someone is from a noise?? Or is that an typical shouty internet comment? .
Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding? And didn't power rangers wear lycra rather than leather? It's quite comical actually, it's usually the people who band around the witty "power ranger" comment who are first to express moral outrage when they see someone riding a bike in shorts and t-shirt too, it's a funny old world isn't it?!.
Speed cameras?? This was about exhausts, what has speed got to do with anything? We've already established in this thread that it's Harleys that seem to cause the most outrage...when do you see a Harley speeding? Or it just another knee jerk comment? Speed and sound aren't always necessarily linked, but I suppose you're again just making the sweeping generalisation that because someone has fitted a noisier exhaust that they're a wreckless hooligan of course.
As for "kids in cars"...surely by definition, a "kid" wouldn't be driving a car in the first place? Or is that another empty comment based on your social stereotyping prowess?
The constant desire to control what everyone else does based on your own opinion of what is deemed a nuisance, doesn't make you a better class of citizen you know?
I live ~400m over fields from a transition between 30mph and NSL and i hear very few Harleys. This is probably because despite being louder around town and in tests they don't get ridden anywhere near as hard as the local sportsbikes. . Next up, the age old favourite "power ranger outfits". Would you prefer people who ride bikes to be in underpants and a string vest? Are they "power ranger" outfits, or the safest and most sensible items to be wearing when riding? And didn't power rangers wear lycra rather than leather? It's quite comical actually, it's usually the people who band around the witty "power ranger" comment who are first to express moral outrage when they see someone riding a bike in shorts and t-shirt too, it's a funny old world isn't it?!
. Speed cameras?? This was about exhausts, what has speed got to do with anything? We've already established in this thread that it's Harleys that seem to cause the most outrage...when do you see a Harley speeding?
Or it just another knee jerk comment? Speed and sound aren't always necessarily linked, but I suppose you're again just making the sweeping generalisation that because someone has fitted a noisier exhaust that they're a wreckless hooligan of course.As for "kids in cars"...surely by definition, a "kid" wouldn't be driving a car in the first place? Or is that another empty comment based on your social stereotyping prowess?
The constant desire to control what everyone else does based on your own opinion of what is deemed a nuisance, doesn't make you a better class of citizen you know?
Through the day noise nuisance road bikes are considerably less common than <insert any VAG car with DSG box popping/banging exhaust tune> and nuisance off roaders illegally riding down the local public footpaths (not BOATS).
Once evening starts, the local streets fill with the sounds of twist and go scooters with fart cannons doing deliveries.
Countdown said:
Does having consideration for others make somebody a better class of citizen?
It's nothing to do with consideration for others. There isn't a set standard or threshold of what constitutes being considerate or not in any of lifes actions...it's all open to individual interpretation. What some people find acceptable, the next person may not. What one person laughs at, the next may be offended, who's right and who's wrong out of the two? And there's the rub, in that scenario it's always the one who's "offended" that feels it should go there way. Same with the bike exhaust thing, saying there's 14 pages on here and most people think that it outrageous or selfish doesn't make it scientific fact. It's probably more a case of those who aren't fussed about it don't need to express it so emotively. But as with with most things of this nature, those who find noisy exhausts an issue automatically feel as if their view should be vehemently supported, otherwise you're a council lout. All offenders must be punished etc. For every person that claims to hate the sound of an open Akra system on a Ducati for example, there'll be someone else who'll give a thumbs up or a smile...but they don't count, because they're obviously wrong.
Like I said in my original post in this thread, I live near a long straight road and there are often noisy cars and bikes going past at varying degrees of noise, particularly in the summer. I don't really care to be honest.
Noisy OE or aftermarket exhausts aren't a new thing, they've been around as long as motorcycles in the first place, but it's only now people spew about it, because it's the modern way of moaning about everything. And it isn't just exhausts, because if motorbikes were made silent tomorrow, the moaners would just move on to moaning about something else...planes flying over, dogs barking, the local bus is too smokey, next-door-but-five have painted their garage door a colour they don't like. The moany NIMBY culture, the want and desire to control everyone else's every action to suit their own agenda.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
About what? I'm not middle aged, and if I'm wearing leathers they're all black, not the multi coloured "power ranger" option. So no not really. I just find all the stereotypical internet opinions comical.
Fair enough. Your reply just seemed to take an unnecessarily literal interpretation of the original post, which was clearly generalising for the purposes of hyperbole.
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
It's nothing to do with consideration for others. There isn't a set standard or threshold of what constitutes being considerate or not in any of lifes actions...it's all open to individual interpretation.
Isn't there? I stand to be corrected but I thought removing baffles was illegal which suggests that actually there IS a threshold?Rat_Fink_67 said:
What some people find acceptable, the next person may not. What one person laughs at, the next may be offended, who's right and who's wrong out of the two? And there's the rub, in that scenario it's always the one who's "offended" that feels it should go there way. Same with the bike exhaust thing, saying there's 14 pages on here and most people think that it outrageous or selfish doesn't make it scientific fact. It's probably more a case of those who aren't fussed about it don't need to express it so emotively. But as with with most things of this nature, those who find noisy exhausts an issue automatically feel as if their view should be vehemently supported, otherwise you're a council lout. All offenders must be punished etc. For every person that claims to hate the sound of an open Akra system on a Ducati for example, there'll be someone else who'll give a thumbs up or a smile...but they don't count, because they're obviously wrong.
I agree with the bit in bold and that's why i think complying with the law is a reasonable starting point. How far you decide to stray above the law shows how how considerate you are to others or how anti-social. Rat_Fink_67 said:
Like I said in my original post in this thread, I live near a long straight road and there are often noisy cars and bikes going past at varying degrees of noise, particularly in the summer. I don't really care to be honest.
Fair enough. You might not but others might. What makes you right and them wrong?Rat_Fink_67 said:
Noisy OE or aftermarket exhausts aren't a new thing, they've been around as long as motorcycles in the first place, but it's only now people spew about it, because it's the modern way of moaning about everything. And it isn't just exhausts, because if motorbikes were made silent tomorrow, the moaners would just move on to moaning about something else...planes flying over, dogs barking, the local bus is too smokey, next-door-but-five have painted their garage door a colour they don't like. The moany NIMBY culture, the want and desire to control everyone else's every action to suit their own agenda.
I'm sorry but that bit is complete rubbish. "Moaners" aren't a unique subset of the population. Most people complain about something - it's just that different things have a different impact on people. What annoys me might not annoy you (and vice versa)Rat_Fink_67 said:
PushedDover said:
No we haven't
Nice argument, give yourself a sticker. So nowhere in here it's been mentioned by more than two or three posters that it's the sound of noisy twins that they object to the most? 
Rat_Fink_67 said:
It's nothing to do with consideration for others.
Utterly disagree. It has everything to do with consideration for others.I love a fruity exhaust, but I completely understand that other people don't. My enjoyment doesn't trump their discomfort (or annoyance). That's just part of being a member of a civil society.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Noisy OE or aftermarket exhausts aren't a new thing, they've been around as long as motorcycles in the first place, but it's only now people spew about it,
Once again, no. People have moaned about noisy motorbikes for as long as I've been riding (since the 70s), and probably since long before then. A modicum of consideration is all it takes to get them to back off and leave us alone.
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
It's nothing to do with consideration for others. There isn't a set standard or threshold of what constitutes being considerate or not in any of lifes actions...it's all open to individual interpretation.
What some people find acceptable, the next person may not. What one person laughs at, the next may be offended, who's right and who's wrong out of the two? And there's the rub, in that scenario it's always the one who's "offended" that feels it should go there way. Same with the bike exhaust thing, saying there's 14 pages on here and most people think that it outrageous or selfish doesn't make it scientific fact. It's probably more a case of those who aren't fussed about it don't need to express it so emotively. But as with with most things of this nature, those who find noisy exhausts an issue automatically feel as if their view should be vehemently supported, otherwise you're a council lout. All offenders must be punished etc. For every person that claims to hate the sound of an open Akra system on a Ducati for example, there'll be someone else who'll give a thumbs up or a smile...but they don't count, because they're obviously wrong.
Like I said in my original post in this thread, I live near a long straight road and there are often noisy cars and bikes going past at varying degrees of noise, particularly in the summer. I don't really care to be honest.
Noisy OE or aftermarket exhausts aren't a new thing, they've been around as long as motorcycles in the first place, but it's only now people spew about it, because it's the modern way of moaning about everything. And it isn't just exhausts, because if motorbikes were made silent tomorrow, the moaners would just move on to moaning about something else...planes flying over, dogs barking, the local bus is too smokey, next-door-but-five have painted their garage door a colour they don't like. The moany NIMBY culture, the want and desire to control everyone else's every action to suit their own agenda.
Really not convinced it’s a 1:1 ratio of those who like it, to those who don’t. I live near a regular Sunday meet up point for bikes that’s also a popular rural walk for families, hardcore walkers and MTBers alike. When someone pulls into the parking area with a loud exhaust, it’s usually with a couple of unnecessary twists of the throttle and the general consensus around the place is “knob”. The rider then pulls up. gets off their bike and struts around like they’re a living god. It’s funny how unaware they are. What some people find acceptable, the next person may not. What one person laughs at, the next may be offended, who's right and who's wrong out of the two? And there's the rub, in that scenario it's always the one who's "offended" that feels it should go there way. Same with the bike exhaust thing, saying there's 14 pages on here and most people think that it outrageous or selfish doesn't make it scientific fact. It's probably more a case of those who aren't fussed about it don't need to express it so emotively. But as with with most things of this nature, those who find noisy exhausts an issue automatically feel as if their view should be vehemently supported, otherwise you're a council lout. All offenders must be punished etc. For every person that claims to hate the sound of an open Akra system on a Ducati for example, there'll be someone else who'll give a thumbs up or a smile...but they don't count, because they're obviously wrong.
Like I said in my original post in this thread, I live near a long straight road and there are often noisy cars and bikes going past at varying degrees of noise, particularly in the summer. I don't really care to be honest.
Noisy OE or aftermarket exhausts aren't a new thing, they've been around as long as motorcycles in the first place, but it's only now people spew about it, because it's the modern way of moaning about everything. And it isn't just exhausts, because if motorbikes were made silent tomorrow, the moaners would just move on to moaning about something else...planes flying over, dogs barking, the local bus is too smokey, next-door-but-five have painted their garage door a colour they don't like. The moany NIMBY culture, the want and desire to control everyone else's every action to suit their own agenda.
There’s a kid near me who’s had his A3 remapped and now it just makes a ridiculous crashing, banging and farting noise. He thinks it sounds awesome. It’s funny watching how many give him the w
ker sign as he drives past. I’ll admit I think loud exhausts are s
t, especially ones that are just loud for the sake of loud, I don’t mind ones that are a little bit louder than normal, but there is a difference. Sometimes less is more. There are plenty of other things around noise that bug me, kids who insist on parking up, turning their car stereo up to the max and then playing some s
te music, that’s either oof oof oof oof oof incessantly, or some warbly woman singing like a child. Noise isn’t good, and louder is rarely better
Rat_Fink_67 said:
PushedDover said:
No we haven't
Nice argument, give yourself a sticker. So nowhere in here it's been mentioned by more than two or three posters that it's the sound of noisy twins that they object to the most? Whilst there has been a fair amount of comments or ridicule on the HD sector, that is likely to be steered by the OP and posts. To state that it is the focal point of the objections would only fuel the narcissism.
You claimed in an authoritative tone that this thread has selected HDs as the main point of the noise objections
I’m said I do not believe that is not the case.
You made the claim. You back up your statement.
(and without the snark if poss. please)
Edited by PushedDover on Monday 13th July 12:57
PushedDover said:
If you’d care, please recount the comments in the thread on whether it it is Loud Bikes, HDs, or Sports bike the thread is opposed to.
Whilst there has been a fair amount of comments or ridicule on the HD sector, that is likely to be steered by the OP and posts. To state that it is the focal point of the objections would only fuel the narcissism.
You claimed in an authoritative tone that this thread has selected HDs as the main point of the noise objections
I’m said I do not believe that is not the case.
You made the claim. You back up your statement.
(and without the snark if poss. please)
If you'd like to take a step back from forcing your agenda for a second...I didn't say that Harleys or twins were the "focal point" of the objections, I said they were what people seemed to object to the most. Not that that type of bike was the only target of the complaints. Whilst there has been a fair amount of comments or ridicule on the HD sector, that is likely to be steered by the OP and posts. To state that it is the focal point of the objections would only fuel the narcissism.
You claimed in an authoritative tone that this thread has selected HDs as the main point of the noise objections
I’m said I do not believe that is not the case.
You made the claim. You back up your statement.
(and without the snark if poss. please)
I "claimed in a authoritative tone"...did I? I think where authoritative tones are concerned you perhaps want to look closer to home.
MaverickV12 said:
As a Harley Davidson rider, I believe its my divine duty to provide a musical note that all pedestrians and others can stop, look and listen to.....
Personally, mine would wake the dead..... just the way it should be. My worst nightmare would be an electric bike
Yes!!!! Finally someone with a REAL mans bike! If it doesn't shake the mortar out from the bricks I dont't even want to know it exists.Personally, mine would wake the dead..... just the way it should be. My worst nightmare would be an electric bike
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I dont mind slightly louder bikes, but there's loud and there's noisy. You can get loud bikes with a good quality exhaust system that sound good - good tone etc. You can get loud bikes with a s
tty cut-down exhaust "silencer" that sound even roe unpleasant than a group of small children screaming down the place in that blood-curdling way kids can scream. Of course it's all subjective, but I do think some people buy the cheapest st of ebay they can find, bodge it onto their bike and convince themselves it must sound good because it's much much louder / noisier. I dont know how some people can ride some bikes with how ear-pearcingly loud they are, whilst other bikes sound really nice. Thre;s more than just the volumne of the sound, there's all the other attributes .FWIW I think harelys sound w
k. problem with Harley's is mainly sportsters as they're more accessible for younger riders, they want a louder exhaust but they don't have the cash so they do it cheap, shorter exhausts have less metal so they're cheaper.
The big trend now is for LAF pipes (loud as fk) which come from the ports and just pass the soles of your feet. £100
V&H Short shots or similar can be had from about £450 not including the quiet baffles, something with a silencer on the end and you're adding another £300.
Its like a my first Harley starter set, tank lift, black/silver number plate, LAF or pipes or short shots and fit Avon Cobras. Its this type of "individual" mentality that means despite riding a HD I'm not a member of any HD social groups.
The bigger Harleys tend to be quieter, they cost more and the riders spend more on quality parts.
I personally wouldn't buy an exhaust system that didn't reach the end back of the bike, i must be getting old!
The big trend now is for LAF pipes (loud as f
k) which come from the ports and just pass the soles of your feet. £100V&H Short shots or similar can be had from about £450 not including the quiet baffles, something with a silencer on the end and you're adding another £300.
Its like a my first Harley starter set, tank lift, black/silver number plate, LAF or pipes or short shots and fit Avon Cobras. Its this type of "individual" mentality that means despite riding a HD I'm not a member of any HD social groups.
The bigger Harleys tend to be quieter, they cost more and the riders spend more on quality parts.
I personally wouldn't buy an exhaust system that didn't reach the end back of the bike, i must be getting old!
It's less the fact that an exhaust is loud that gets me, and more that there seems to be a pretty decent correlation between people who have them and people who think it's brilliant to rev the bullocks off the bike and blip the throttle all the frigging time. I live in a village on a B road, and there are a fair few absolute bellends who have race cans and wang through the village at at least 2x the 30mph speed limit (if owners of V4 YEH and V4 YEP are reading this, then yeah, you are bellends, even though you have nice bikes). It's pretty unecessary. I wouldn't be bothered if people had race cans and toddled through in 5th gear at 30 - you'd hardly notice. But d1ckheads riding through at 60 in 2nd because sounds good? Feck off you nobbers.
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