A man has been jailed for ramming a motorcyclist

[Trevor555]

ingenieur said:

Trevor555 said:

ingenieur said:

Murder usually has an element of pre-planning and so does attempted-murder as it's the same except unsuccessful execution of the plan.

How long does it need to be pre planned though?

I'd say in this case, whatever was the initial cause of this disagreement, it was from this point the driver seemed determined to try and cause death to this motorcyclist.

How does the law define pre planned?

Days?
Hours?
Minutes?

Genuine question.

It would be prior to the aggravation. So the car driver would have left his home at a time he knew he would intersect with the motorcyclist showing that he had deliberately set out for there to be a meeting, at which point he would try to ram him off the road. More likely they did not know each other and when they both decided to engage with one another the guy on two wheels came off worse.

Ok, that makes sense, thank you.

[Scabutz]

This happened down the road from me, and the offender lives on my estate.

Shocking video. It's quite a drop from those bridges, they are there as the shared bike path and walkways go underneath as they are NSL roads.

[bimsb6]

Pit Pony said:

Hammersia said:

But cars are quicker than motorbikes

But cars can't go down Alleyways, or down steps.

They can launch over roundabouts though.

[KTMsm]

Can you be banned for life ?

4yr sentence might be ok - depending upon the injuries suffered but he shouldn't be on the road again

[moanthebairns]

ingenieur said:

I think the people outraged by the fact he didn't get a longer sentence aren't seeing the proportionality. It has to be quantified and they have to figure out a way of measuring it to be able to determine the right punishment. A most serious case would have to involve a fatality somewhere within the incident.

Murder usually has an element of pre-planning and so does attempted-murder as it's the same except unsuccessful execution of the plan.

The motorcyclists injuries were described as serious but legally speaking that is anything which requires medical attention. So whilst his injuries were serious that is a step below 'life changing' which is how they describe a permanent injury which you'll never fully recover from.

So they probably got the sentence just about right when you apply all the right balances.

I disagree with serving part terms though. It shouldn't work like that. Judges should expect a sentence given to be the sentence served and not have to try to figure out if a longer term is required to compensate for people serving short sentences. Neither should the pubic be required to accept that any sentence given will be halved in any case as it seems unjust to only serve part of your punishment.

Heard this on the wireless yesterday, similar scenario, attempted murder charge. No injuries to the police officer as well. I do wonder if he was initially getting done for attempted murder but accepted a lesser charge on a guilty plea.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12317226/inv...

[SteveKTMer]

Bazsm said:

That is a scary video, if the driver can do something like that you have to wonder about his lack of self control as that’s not just road rage. A permanent driving ban would seem more appropriate for all road users safety!

I wonder about people like that too, probably just a temper away from sexual assult or worse, or knife attack etc.

[The Gauge]

I was shocked to see the biker attack those two cars like that, and then try to hide under the bridge. Disgusting

[qwerty360]

As a cyclist rather than motorcyclist, the big issue is the refusal to accept the idea that a car is the most lethal weapon an average person has access to by several orders of magnitude.

While the sentencing is IMHO short, the bigger issue is how easily they get access to a car again. Even if we want to allow rehabilitation so not banning for life, there are a lot more restrictions we should be doing.

Where is the mandatory court ordered anger management;
Why doesn't a psychologist have to sign off on anger management before they are allowed to try and drive again.
Where is the ongoing monitoring of the driving (black box, periodic retraining).
Where are restrictions on vehicle (lighter/smaller/slower still handles most needs with far lower risk to others)
Restrictions on type of driving (milage, time of day, no commercial driving etc)

[bimsb6]

qwerty360 said:

As a cyclist rather than motorcyclist, the big issue is the refusal to accept the idea that a car is the most lethal weapon an average person has access to by several orders of magnitude.

While the sentencing is IMHO short, the bigger issue is how easily they get access to a car again. Even if we want to allow rehabilitation so not banning for life, there are a lot more restrictions we should be doing.

Where is the mandatory court ordered anger management;
Why doesn't a psychologist have to sign off on anger management before they are allowed to try and drive again.
Where is the ongoing monitoring of the driving (black box, periodic retraining).
Where are restrictions on vehicle (lighter/smaller/slower still handles most needs with far lower risk to others)
Restrictions on type of driving (milage, time of day, no commercial driving etc)

I would have thought even getting insurance would be a problem .

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Donbot said:

I'm not looking to victim blame but I do wonder what went on before this went down. Apparently a non-verbal exchange. So giving him the finger or something.

Nutters like this is the reason you really don't want to fk around on the road. Especially on two wheels.

I've given a driver a wker signal when I've been cut up etc before. Does that mean he can attempt to cause me serious injuries?

[Biker 1]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I've given a driver a wker signal when I've been cut up etc before. Does that mean he can attempt to cause me serious injuries?

Absolutely not.
I would question gesticulating to anybody under any circumstances. It's simply not worth finding out if the other party is a wrong un or not. What does it prove anyway?

[Rubin215]

My wife and I both ride motorcycles.

I've given her a damn good ramming many times, do I belong in prison...?

[Donbot]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Donbot said:

I'm not looking to victim blame but I do wonder what went on before this went down. Apparently a non-verbal exchange. So giving him the finger or something.

Nutters like this is the reason you really don't want to fk around on the road. Especially on two wheels.

I've given a driver a wker signal when I've been cut up etc before. Does that mean he can attempt to cause me serious injuries?

Yes. Which is probably why it is sensible not to do it!

[CoreyDog]

Rider is on Twitter and has talked about this and his injuries, still suffering to this day.

https://x.com/jamieelfburns/status/176969451745463...

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I'm amazed at the sentence. What was his mitigating circumstances?

No previous?

[moanthebairns]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I'm amazed at the sentence. What was his mitigating circumstances?

No previous?

Its a 'Mistry'........

[hiccy18]

Four years is the maximum for causing serious injury by dangerous driving for the injuries sustained, but he was also found guilty of causing GBH with intent and, from the guidlines, it looks like a similar maximum for the situation. Slightly over the minimum tarrif for each seems pretty lenient.

[carinaman]

Prisons are full.

Figure I read was 238 spaces in female prisons.

They're doing a £1,500 incentive to foreign prisoners to end their sentences early and be deported back to their own Countries.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Rubin215 said:

My wife and I both ride motorcycles.

I've given her a damn good ramming many times, do I belong in prison...?

Rubin, its 2024, statements like that are outdated, creepy and just wrong...































...You have to say "making love" in this day and age.

[Zio Di Roma]

The Gauge said:

I was shocked to see the biker attack those two cars like that, and then try to hide under the bridge. Disgusting

Naughty (but funny).