Sagaris asking prices

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Rocco1

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121 months

Tuesday 29th January
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SORRY to ask this but in the current climate and the uncertainty of Brexit is the market price a true reflection on what is being achieved on the sale of Sagaris’s or are sellers being optimistic.
I’ve owned my Sagaris for over three years and last year for the first time I hardly drove it, I was thinking to myself maybe it’s time to sell

TVR4US

101 posts

42 months

Tuesday 29th January
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The ones for sale have been up for sale for a very long time so that should answer your question, som e people thought that they would reach 100k, but by the looks of it I will not be surprised if I start seeing them at around Mid 50k by the end of the year, please don’t flame me but the bubble has bust on these cars....

phazed

17,220 posts

142 months

Tuesday 29th January
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Absolutely.

Just been discussing this as well as the more expensive houses. Everything is just hanging around and not moving in that sector.

Two spanking new high-tech houses down the road from me put up for sale over a year ago at 3 million apiece. Now they are down to less than two and have not sold! The writing is on the wall.

Not sags but you know what I mean.

BTW, i’ll give you £49,000 for it

phoenixz

404 posts

104 months

Tuesday 29th January
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ah if i had a pound for every time this discussion came up... i'd buy a second sag.

there were quite a few examples that sold last year at over 80k, some as recently as 2-3 months ago. The current line up on PH is not a good reflection as this is a bad time of year to sell. Spring/Summer will always see a boost.

On top of that the current market across the board is stagnating (not just TVR, but all manufacturers). There are many reasons for this that i can't be bothered typing here (brexit, car market in general, collector/investor sales, liquidity needs...)


I always find it interesting that the ones who say they will go down are always the ones without. Wishful thinking i would say, but i do not know of any owners that would be willing to part with theirs for 50k.

Colour and service history always command a premium, for all other info just search on the forum here for sag prices. there is plenty of debates on it and not much has changed.

Knowing yours and the work that was done (i'm in Aberdeen), i would not let it go for less than 80k

phoenixz

404 posts

104 months

Tuesday 29th January
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FYI, it is worth noting that a lot of the ones for sale at the moment are all the same colour
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Rocco1

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3,031 posts

121 months

Tuesday 29th January
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phoenixz said:
ah if i had a pound for every time this discussion came up... i'd buy a second sag.

there were quite a few examples that sold last year at over 80k, some as recently as 2-3 months ago. The current line up on PH is not a good reflection as this is a bad time of year to sell. Spring/Summer will always see a boost.

On top of that the current market across the board is stagnating (not just TVR, but all manufacturers). There are many reasons for this that i can't be bothered typing here (brexit, car market in general, collector/investor sales, liquidity needs...)


I always find it interesting that the ones who say they will go down are always the ones without. Wishful thinking i would say, but i do not know of any owners that would be willing to part with theirs for 50k.

Colour and service history always command a premium, for all other info just search on the forum here for sag prices. there is plenty of debates on it and not much has changed.

Knowing yours and the work that was done (i'm in Aberdeen), i would not let it go for less than 80k
Previously owned by Hollopockets who spent a fortune on it. I personally don’t think we will ever see a Sagaris for £50k unless it’s been written off.

Edited by Rocco1 on Tuesday 29th January 15:36

ray von

2,509 posts

190 months

Wednesday 30th January
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phoenixz said:
there were quite a few examples that sold last year at over 80k, some as recently as 2-3 months ago.
I don't know your background but how do yo know that? I can remember one at STR8six that was at a show, there was a black one that a guy had on here (can't remember his name, Steve?) that was high 70's but I don't know of any others?
They must've all exchanged hands without being advertised, like the 2 at Shmoo recently but their prices were never disclosed

The days of £50k Sags is long gone and I can't see them ever returning but to say there were quite a few sold for over £80k could be misleading to the OP unless someone has a spreadsheet charting the prices, don't laugh some people do that biggrin even then would they know the actual sale price?


PGNSagaris

1,984 posts

104 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Sold mine in April 2018 for £72k. But it was freshly serviced and very mint and only around 17k miles.

The only one car I know of that went for £80k last year was the Str8six example from the show. That was very special too. Happy to see evidence of any others at this level rather than hearsay.

Rocco, if you want a realistic price, call a few dealers. I’d guess you’ll have bids in the late 60’s.

Private market for Sags is very limited and there are loads that have been for sale for ages.

Rocco1

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3,031 posts

121 months

Wednesday 30th January
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PGNSagaris said:
Sold mine in April 2018 for £72k. But it was freshly serviced and very mint and only around 17k miles.

The only one car I know of that went for £80k last year was the Str8six example from the show. That was very special too. Happy to see evidence of any others at this level rather than hearsay.

Rocco, if you want a realistic price, call a few dealers. I’d guess you’ll have bids in the late 60’s.

Private market for Sags is very limited and there are loads that have been for sale for ages.
When making reference to “loads that have been for sale for ages” are they 4.3 or 4.0??
I stopped price watching after buying mine and now there seems to be a wide spread on pricing, also don’t see many in eye catching or with a 4.3 engine

phoenixz

404 posts

104 months

Wednesday 30th January
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I am yet to be convinced that the 4.3 engine conversion solicits a premium, also yet to see a buyer hold off purely because it didn't have the 4.3 or 4.5, but happy to be proven wrong. Most buyers i have spoken to seem to be waiting for the right colour to appear (reflex paints etc...)

"quite a few" was indeed misleading, apologies. I know of 2 over 80k (one being the Str8Six example) and one at £79,999 (actually sold for this price, not advertised, actually sold at that) which i count as 80k+

There is also one oversea that exchanged hands for over 80k (that skews the figures a bit as it will likely have commanded a premium because it was overseas already and probably saved someone on tax)

so 4 out of 164 is indeed misleading, but 4 out of what 10-20 sold last year?

out of interest, does anyone know how many (if any) were sold for less than 69k?

phoenixz

404 posts

104 months

Wednesday 30th January
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It is also worth mentioning that most owners will be waiting for the new TVR to come out (if it ever does) and hoping that it will cause a surge in demand. similar to the Supra's which jumped a reasonable amount last year.

At the very least i would hold on to it for another year and see what happens after the dust settles.

Rocco1

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3,031 posts

121 months

Wednesday 30th January
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phoenixz said:
It is also worth mentioning that most owners will be waiting for the new TVR to come out (if it ever does) and hoping that it will cause a surge in demand. similar to the Supra's which jumped a reasonable amount last year.

At the very least i would hold on to it for another year and see what happens after the dust settles.
I don’t think we will see a new TVR and if we do it won’t be for at least 18 months.

PGNSagaris

1,984 posts

104 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Rocco1 said:
When making reference to “loads that have been for sale for ages” are they 4.3 or 4.0??
I stopped price watching after buying mine and now there seems to be a wide spread on pricing, also don’t see many in eye catching or with a 4.3 engine
4.0’s

I can’t speak for others but I’d get the 4.0 over the 4.3

I’d imagine it makes little or no difference to the price but I’m happy to be corrected.

Rocco1

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121 months

Wednesday 30th January
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When I was researching and looking to buy a Sagaris I was told the purists and collectors will opt for the 4.0 whereas those who intend to drive the car would opt for the 4.3. Never driven a 4.0 but my 4.3 is bonkers rather like a go kart yet on steroids

Edited by Rocco1 on Wednesday 30th January 19:57

ShiDevil

2,284 posts

112 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Hello gentlemen wink

I did indeed sell mine last year. It was immaculate, fully rebuilt, painted, interior 4.3, mods etc. Black smile

It was time to move on. I loved the car but having spent so much on it getting it to A1 condition my heart wasn’t in it anymore to be honest, although she was epic and I loved driving her. On top of that I had less time to do so and no matter how you look after them there will always be niggles. Having Tango in my garage too one was car too many and I felt like keeping her a while longer, although I think the adventure will end there soon too.

The market also looked like it was peaking having spoken to many dealers who had indicated there was a dip in interest so it was time to sell.

I won’t go into the price I sold her for but it was what I wanted and more than covered the work I had done to her.

These cars are meant to be driven, their presence is felt the most on the road... inspiring, turning heads, that noise.

So a new adventure awaits smile Maybe it does for you too smile

crimbo

1,210 posts

166 months

Thursday 31st January
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If your prepared to wait im sure ull get what you want. The market has dipped but show me a car that hasn't. They will always be indemand and may drop a little but in the long run the path will be up. Its a classic, will only get better and rarer with age. For them to dive bomb it means the tvrs below will too, I cant see tuscans below 10k anytime soon.

If people need the cash they will let them go alittle cheaper for a fast deal, may drop the price a little but the chances are the people that buy it are in it for the long run otherwise they would simply get something different and it will be another car that's gone for good

I think I know of a blue car that went pretty cheap last year with low miles off radar. Does that affect the market. Not really, right time right place. Sure it would of made 15k or so more on the market.

Likewise people will wait for the spec they want, collectors will want as it came, correct engine, seats, spec. Find the right buyer for your car and your incontrol of the price

I once asked overs for the spec I wanted, I offered l33dgs 37k for his cascade indigo sag he wanted 42k at the time some were changing hands for mind 30s. Everyone said he was a dreamer. He sold it a year later for mid 40s.



Edited by crimbo on Thursday 31st January 07:08

crimbo

1,210 posts

166 months

Thursday 31st January
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If your prepared to wait im sure ull get what you want. The market has dipped but show me a car that hasn't. They will always be indemand and may drop a little but in the long run the path will be up. Its a classic, will only get better and rarer with age. For them to dive bomb it means the tvrs below will too, I cant see tuscans below 10k anytime soon.

If people need the cash they will let them go alittle cheaper for a fast deal, may drop the price a little but the chances are the people that buy it are in it for the long run otherwise they would simply get something different and it will be another car that's gone for good

I think I know of a blue car that went pretty cheap last year with low miles off radar. Does that affect the market. Not really, right time right place. Sure it would of made 15k or so more on the market.

Likewise people will wait for the spec they want, collectors will want as it came, correct engine, seats, spec. Find the right buyer for your car and your incontrol of the price

I once asked overs for the spec I wanted, I offered l33dgs 37k for his cascade indigo sag he wanted 42k at the time some were changing hands for mind 30s. Everyone said he was a dreamer. He sold it a year later for mid 40s.

People back then were saying they were going down



Edited by crimbo on Thursday 31st January 07:09

ray von

2,509 posts

190 months

Thursday 31st January
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ShiDevil said:
Stuff
Yes it was your car I mentioned I knew you were called Steve and had devil in your name but didn't think putting Steve Devil sounded right biggrin your car looked stunning

Rocco1

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3,031 posts

121 months

Thursday 31st January
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I’m in NO rush to sell, thank you all for contributing

MDL111

3,129 posts

115 months

Thursday 31st January
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I am not sure how many of these are sold to buyers abroad, but Brexit might have an impact there due to possible additional taxes. I keep looking at Sagaris ads on and off as really like the car (test drove one when they were new, but couldn't afford it at the time). If say registering it in the EU will cost me an additional x% in import duty, then that will make it even more difficult to justify at current prices.

Great cars - enjoy them