New Morgan +4

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dereksharpuk

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179 posts

171 months

Saturday 14th November 2020
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Can anyone enlighten me on the standard Morgan Plus 4 basic spec. It is not shown on the Morgan website. For example, is air con or heated seats standard?

RedThree

156 posts

141 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Pretty sure they're both extras. There's a link to the pricelist on this page; https://www.morgan-motor.com/plus-four/

dereksharpuk

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179 posts

171 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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RedThree said:
Pretty sure they're both extras. There's a link to the pricelist on this page; https://www.morgan-motor.com/plus-four/
Thanks. Should have gone to Specsavers... Oh no, I can't, am on lockdown smile

Fully loaded, a new Plus 4 is over twice the price of my old Plus 4. Is it twice as good?

Wacky Racer

38,536 posts

250 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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dereksharpuk said:
RedThree said:
Pretty sure they're both extras. There's a link to the pricelist on this page; https://www.morgan-motor.com/plus-four/
Thanks. Should have gone to Specsavers... Oh no, I can't, am on lockdown smile

Fully loaded, a new Plus 4 is over twice the price of my old Plus 4. Is it twice as good?
Specsavers is still open smile

Here's my "old" Plus 4 when I was picking it up. I think it was £32,000 in 2006.



Mikebentley

6,291 posts

143 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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I think whilst they appear the same ie traditional Morgan they are new in many ways. I remember years ago they were £35 to £40k. I was also shocked when I saw the price recently for an entry level new car but I think that says more about my lack of keeping up with prices of them.

I live 100 metres from MMC and they have just completed a refurb of the visitors centre and sales area. It is beautiful. I will take a picture and post it later.

dereksharpuk

Original Poster:

179 posts

171 months

Sunday 15th November 2020
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Wacky Racer said:
Specsavers is still open smile

Here's my "old" Plus 4 when I was picking it up. I think it was £32,000 in 2006.


Here is my original, also about £32K in 2007

Stevemtb

92 posts

46 months

Tuesday 17th November 2020
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They have got a bit toppy with the new model, although you'd be looking @£50k minimum for a steel chassis plus 4 before production ceased, so certainly an extra £15k.However it's a different car and really not comparable in terms of fit, finish, performance, handling, ride etc. I recently hired one for 4 days and i was staggered how much better it was, whilst retaining the charm and style of the original.
If they were @£55k with a few bits, air con, wire wheels, etc it would be a much easier decision, but they're so much more fun to drive than before, properly quick and happy just to bimble too!

Claude1000

1 posts

36 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Mikebentley said:
I think whilst they appear the same ie traditional Morgan they are new in many ways. .
Of course, Morgans no longer have any claim to being a vintage car. The exterior has been cleverly designed to look the same (but it isn't, being MUCH wider). The first century's legendary owner interaction with the vehicles is no longer realistically possible, and in that it mirrors all current automobile manufacture. We "borrow" a car now in buying one. We must return it for regularly for service and repairs. That vastly increases the cost of ownership. But,on this point, people have lost skills, and the pride in them, as technology becomes a larger part of every life. Don't buy a new Morgan to learn anything.

This culminates the process begun around 2000 by the last family regime. It didn't work as they sold the lot for the same money as their last grant from the government and, at that, it was no more than the value of the land. There is no hallowed ancient expertise left at the Morgan factory. It is an assembly plant putting together parts and modules made elsewhere, by people in uniforms and designated areas intersected by painted lines visitor tours must restrict themself to.

The Plus Four has an excellent spec. It is not THAT much heavier and the added width plants it solidly, at the cost of the former lithe comportment of yesteryear.

The Plus Six is another cup of tea. Far too overpowered and people are getting hurt, some more than seriously. Neither car had to be designed (by change in UK regulations) with occupant safety in mind and the frame has no crumple zones, as traditional Morgans had from the start by luck. The force absorbing wood and ladder frame pleating is gone and any impact is transferred directly to the occupant (s). Do not expect the protection that all other road vehicles have by law. Build quality is as it has been since the grandson of the founder took over..isht. Expect yourself to get rid of the car or sort it the first year or two.

Morgans are like wine. There are good years and bad ones. For example, I enjoyed the Roadster I and the Roadster IIs were sortable. The Roadster 3.7s are lousy with a buffet of issues that force drivers to instinctively drive cautiously, which is exactly what a true sports car is supposed to free one from. I think the Plus Four may one day become a fine vehicle. The company has announced that it will fix Plus Four/Six issues on a annual basis. They state is will be "improvements" every year. That is certainly better than offering basic fixes as costly "performance upgrades" as they have been doing for the last decade +.


TarquinMX5

1,975 posts

83 months

Sunday 11th July 2021
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Are you one of their 'brand ambassadors' by any chance biggrin

LordOfTheManor

1,267 posts

114 months

Monday 16th August 2021
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OMG! it does not sound good!

sospan

2,514 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th August 2021
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Do two things.
Go onto the Morgan website and use the car configurator. Look at what is zero extra cost for each of the sections ( colour, interior etc. to get the absolute basic price. If happy with the car you spec then look at which “extras” you need. Be aware that there are some stupidly expensive options! £200+ extra for different stitching colour for one! Really? Change th3 real of stitching thread colour costs how much?
Go for test drives to see if you get on with the car. This is a must do. Morgans are not for everyone. You might like the visual appeal but actual driving might put you off. Go to http://www.talkmorgan.com/
And look at comments there. Specific section for the new cars (CX generation) plus a myriad of other topics.
Ask yourself why you want a Morgan. What do you want to do when you get one?

LordOfTheManor

1,267 posts

114 months

Thursday 19th August 2021
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This above is really good advise, I've got a tour of the factory on Saturday, Morgan need to be nicer on the phone, before they'll be able to sell anything to ME!!

I'm sure the only reason I'm thinking of one is to wind away the hours of retirement!, after sitting in the car for several long wet journeys, I'll wish I had bought something else.

Their press Plus 6 press car would be nice at £65k rather than £88k but thats never going to happen in these COVID times laugh

sospan

2,514 posts

225 months

Sunday 22nd August 2021
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Just to add.......
I have a Plus8 ( Rover V8). 2002 year. Previous on3 was a 1993 car with Ford 1.6efi engine .
It drives and feels different to a modern monocoque car. Ladder chassis/ash frame/ali and stainless body. It is a Marmite car. It has a unique ( compared to modern car) feel.
Personally I like driving it. It is different. It has standard suspension not the available SSL upgrades.
It handles well but will feel harsh compared to modern cars. You either get used to it or not. I haven’t driven the new versions yet but those I speak to who have say they are much better. It is on my serious consideration list for next year to test and decide.
My options are upgrade the current car suspension, respray wings, tidy up alloys or go new. Wings and wheels is getting done either way though. I would miss the V8 experience but I am thinking of future proofing ownership.