Who buys modern day MGs?

Who buys modern day MGs?

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Limpet

4,163 posts

121 months

Tuesday 7th July
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J4CKO said:
Blue BMW owner and I take issue with that and will have you know BMW use only the best rollers to put their paint on !

Mine is pretty poor for "Premium" car, my old boss had a 5 series which was disgraceful, our Fords are way better paint finishes.


My parents MG6 seemed to last ok, think it was a 2011 and they got rid last year, still looked the same but my dad is a bit fussy with his cars.
BMW paint isn't very good. Marks if you look at it too strongly, and on my M140i the finish had a noticeable orange peel effect. The other incredible thing (on my 1-series at least) was that if you opened the front doors wide the body colour didn't extend down into the visible part of the inner wings, so you could see primer. I wouldn't have been happy with this if it were a bodyshop repair, and it smacked of penny pinching.

MonkeyMatt

6,014 posts

167 months

Tuesday 7th July
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There's a lot of people on here knocking a brand and cars they know nothing about, along with thinking that everyone should have the same criteria as the car geeks on here when it comes to a new car.

Worth having a looking at their EV coupe concept for an idea of what to expect their future direction

stickleback123

6,998 posts

149 months

Tuesday 7th July
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J4CKO said:
Evercross said:
My next-door neighbour has a ZS in a very attractive shade of dark blue and IMO the paint finish at least puts some so-called quality German brands to shame. I'll upset the BMW fanbois by saying this but dark paint colours on BMW 1s, 2s, 3s and some lower 4 and 5 models always look to me to be verging on orange-peel. In particular BMW cannot seem to do a decent factory black finish.

The texture on the little MG is like glass in comparison. Whether that is because the Chinese have not yet succumbed to the cost environmental benefits of water based paints complete with their slower drying (hence crackly finish) and propensity to be ruined by the first drop of bird poo is anyone's guess....

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 7th July 10:17
Blue BMW owner and I take issue with that and will have you know BMW use only the best rollers to put their paint on !

Mine is pretty poor for "Premium" car, my old boss had a 5 series which was disgraceful, our Fords are way better paint finishes.


My parents MG6 seemed to last ok, think it was a 2011 and they got rid last year, still looked the same but my dad is a bit fussy with his cars.
The paint finish on a lot of cars is poor now, but BMW still stand out for the horrible orange peel effect that is even visible on brochure images. Ironically one of the worst built cars I ever owned, a Rover 800 Coupe, had incredible paint quality and was like glass when it was properly cleaned and polished.

daytonavrs

267 posts

44 months

Friday 10th July
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Joey Deacon said:
I had a Rover 220 Coupe back in 1997 (I made the classic mistake of buying the first car I test drove, made even worse in that I had gone to look at another car at the dealers and saw the Rover)

Anyway, it was generally OK but at around ten years old the head gasket went and it was getting rusty on the arches it just didn't feel like it was very well put together at all.

Are modern MGs that cheap in reality compared to a Kia or Hyundai?
Only Ten years biggrin


RMDB9

883 posts

8 months

Friday 10th July
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Krikkit said:
I used to think they were lunatic Geralds who owned 40 MGs in a row since their first company car in 1982, but recently the people driving them seem to be young.

I just don't understand why you wouldn't buy a Peugeot/Citroen/Ford/Hyundai/Kia instead.
What is a "gerald"?

Mr lestat

2,772 posts

150 months

Friday 10th July
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MonkeyMatt said:
There's a lot of people on here knocking a brand and cars they know nothing about, along with thinking that everyone should have the same criteria as the car geeks on here when it comes to a new car.

Worth having a looking at their EV coupe concept for an idea of what to expect their future direction
People knocking them probably because it’s a car forum and hopefully frequented by car enthusiasts. Therefore white goods cars get trashed. Go figure ?

Evercross

2,598 posts

24 months

Friday 10th July
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Mr lestat said:
People knocking them probably because it’s a car forum and hopefully frequented by car enthusiasts. Therefore white goods cars get trashed. Go figure?
The ultimate 'white goods cars' brands these days are BMW, Audi and VW, seling cookie-cutter hum-drum models in droves with the only differentiator being halo cars in the ranges that they shift penny numbers of and depreciate like last-year's laptop - yet no-one starts a thread about them because somehow they avoid the description of being white goods despite fitting the description better than the outliers.

Mr lestat

2,772 posts

150 months

Friday 10th July
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Evercross said:
Mr lestat said:
People knocking them probably because it’s a car forum and hopefully frequented by car enthusiasts. Therefore white goods cars get trashed. Go figure?
The ultimate 'white goods cars' brands these days are BMW, Audi and VW, seling cookie-cutter hum-drum models in droves with the only differentiator being halo cars in the ranges that they shift penny numbers of and depreciate like last-year's laptop - yet no-one starts a thread about them because somehow they avoid the description of being white goods despite fitting the description better than the outliers.
I would probably agree with everything you’ve said however I would still rather have almost any BMW or Audi over a new MG

kambites

60,293 posts

181 months

Friday 10th July
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Mr lestat said:
I would probably agree with everything you’ve said however I would still rather have almost any BMW or Audi over a new MG
I should damned well hope so given that they're at least times the price!

Mr lestat

2,772 posts

150 months

Friday 10th July
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kambites said:
Mr lestat said:
I would probably agree with everything you’ve said however I would still rather have almost any BMW or Audi over a new MG
I should damned well hope so given that they're at least times the price!
Fair point however I shall rephrase. I would rather have a three-year-old Audi or BMW over a brand-new MG. Just for clarity so you follow where my vehicle affinities lie. I have a 58 plate focus diesel for day-to-day duties and a 62 plate SLK 55 for the weekend and nice days. However when the focus is due for change which will be when it starts to cost more than it’s worth I will probably change it for a golf or another focus. This again will probably be at least five or six years old.

kambites

60,293 posts

181 months

Friday 10th July
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So would I, but for those who want a new car only a new car will do, which is why comparing new with used doesn't work. Personally I'd probably end up buying a three year old Kia over any of them. smile

MG are probably the second cheapest brand in the UK market. They're not trying to compete with the German premium brands.

Edited by kambites on Friday 10th July 18:04

stickleback123

6,998 posts

149 months

Friday 10th July
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Anyone who gives it the "Mercedes/BMW are white goods too and no different to Ford/Peugeot/Whatever" have no idea what they are talking about.

Get underneath and have a good look at the chassis engineering; one set of cars will have lots of really nice aluminium parts, double wishbones at the front for many (fancy dual pivot double wishbones on some), multilink at the rear again with lots of expensive high quality aluminium parts. Another set will be a load of stamped steel, 100% McPherson struts at the front, very possibly a torsion beam at the rear, everything made as cheaply as possible. Check out the bushes, notice that one set of cars have all sorts of interesting different designs and some may be fluid filled for extra NVH isolation...

While we're here have a look at the exhaust mounts; one set have rubber donuts indistinguishable from the ones used in the 70s and another will have complex parts to better isolate the car from exhaust noise and vibration.

Look at how much of the underside is clad, at the pieces to direct air. Or don't if it's an actual white goods car.

We won't even get into the differences in powertrain, or even the fittings for hoses, or the differences in door sealing, or the myriad ways in which anything from a 3/A4/C Class and upwards is superior to the likes of the best you can buy from Ford/PSA etc let alone Chinese biscuit tins.

Whine about styling and infotainment all you want, if that's what you think defines the engineering quality of a car then enjoy your MG and I'm sure it's lovely.

Edited by stickleback123 on Friday 10th July 22:53

anonymous-user

14 months

Saturday 11th July
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kambites said:
So would I, but for those who want a new car only a new car will do, which is why comparing new with used doesn't work. Personally I'd probably end up buying a three year old Kia over any of them. smile

MG are probably the second cheapest brand in the UK market. They're not trying to compete with the German premium brands.

Edited by kambites on Friday 10th July 18:04
I'd love to know about the depreciation any current MG will endure compared to a German brand (or any other, for that matter) so you may find it will likely cost you more over the time you own the vehicle. Unless of course you intend to own the car for its lifespan, which is rare, although I do concede the person likely to do this will buy that sort of car. Who knows how it would actually hold up, I've seen plenty budget cars scrapped (even with low miles) after less than 10 years.

I'm not budget car snob either, I do see the value and market for something like Dacia which have the right approach and have carved a niche for themselves with their range.

g3org3y

Original Poster:

15,746 posts

151 months

Saturday 11th July
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MonkeyMatt said:
There's a lot of people on here knocking a brand and cars they know nothing about, along with thinking that everyone should have the same criteria as the car geeks on here when it comes to a new car.

Worth having a looking at their EV coupe concept for an idea of what to expect their future direction
More a question that since brands like Kia and Hyundai exist who already cater to the no nonsense/white goods crowd, what would make someone consider MG instead?

Conclusion: MG is cheaper than the Korean equivalents.

MadmanO/T People

827 posts

165 months

Saturday 11th July
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Evercross said:
caffeine said:
Made by a random Chinese company no-one has heard of...
SAIC Motor

What you mean is you haven't heard of them.

Wikipedia said:
A Fortune Global 100 company and one of the "Big Four" state-owned Chinese automakers, the company had the largest production volume of any Chinese automaker in 2014 making more than 4.5 million vehicles.
That makes them way bigger than probably most of the manufacturers you have heard of. VAG made 10.21 million vehicles in 2014 and have been bumbling around that number ever since. SAIC have been increasing year-on-year.

rolleyes

MG as a brand will IMO be responsible for making electric vehicles affordable for millions more people than Tesla ever will be.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 7th July 10:01
One of the "Big Four" state-owned Chinese automakers. It's the "State-owned" bit which should really be grabbing your attention.

Whenever you buy from a state-owned Chinese company (or ANY Chinese company, for that matter) you are dealing directly with the Chinese Communist Party. I'm sure nobody needs reminding of the fact China is a brutally repressive totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human rights record and, as such, is the natural enemy of all Western democracies which they seek to destroy.

Need I remind anyone of the hundreds of thousands of Uighurs currently being tortured in concentration camps in western China? Or the Chinese oppression of the people of Tibet? Or the brutal treatment of free-speech demonstrators in Hong Kong? The fact is when you buy Chinese, you are supporting the most evil and murderous regime on Earth. China's atrocities make those of Nazi-era Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin look like petty indiscretions in comparison.

Unfortunately, it is sometimes impossible not to buy Chinese products but, when given the choice, I will always choose the non-Chinese option. As for as I'm concerned, "Real MG" died in 2005. Today, MG is nothing more than a counterfeit badge stuck onto a miserable, bottom-feeding Chinese sh!tbox.

So if you want to fund the Chinese Communist Party and, by extension, all the atrocities they commit, then go ahead and buy a so-called MG. Try not to think of the millions of people murdered by the Chinese state when you do.

Rozzers

526 posts

35 months

Saturday 11th July
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My friend had one, a professional sportist she had one from a sponsor and it was OK, despite being yellow and having her name down the side....anyway, after swapping teams she got handed a Ford Eco-Sport (with her name downs the side and all sorts of team/Ford branding) and asked if she could have a Mustang, even if she topped up - (if you dont ask you dont get) but no.

The MG was a better car than the Eco Sport by far, and I assume they’re the same price, but one is bigger and has a better warranty.

sjc

11,372 posts

230 months

Saturday 11th July
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I driven a few of the brand.
A newish second hand mg3 at circa 3/ 4 grand is a great first car for youngsters, cheap to insure, handles fine, lots of kit, looks modern enough and they won’t be concerned at the rubbish engine or lack of a sixth gear.
The SUV’s are decent value, nothing rattles, and each reincarnation has improved the brand.Again, the engines are the let down, but this is balanced somewhat by the purchase price and discounts.
The new electric sports car at a rumoured 30K if it’s anything as good as it looks might be a game changer for them.
Unfortunately though, MG are forcing out all of the small dealers/Indi’s In favour of the corporates,so their car will be marketed along side all the other big brands on one site.

stickleback123

6,998 posts

149 months

Saturday 11th July
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MadmanO/T People said:
One of the "Big Four" state-owned Chinese automakers. It's the "State-owned" bit which should really be grabbing your attention.

Whenever you buy from a state-owned Chinese company (or ANY Chinese company, for that matter) you are dealing directly with the Chinese Communist Party. I'm sure nobody needs reminding of the fact China is a brutally repressive totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human rights record and, as such, is the natural enemy of all Western democracies which they seek to destroy.

Need I remind anyone of the hundreds of thousands of Uighurs currently being tortured in concentration camps in western China? Or the Chinese oppression of the people of Tibet? Or the brutal treatment of free-speech demonstrators in Hong Kong? The fact is when you buy Chinese, you are supporting the most evil and murderous regime on Earth. China's atrocities make those of Nazi-era Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin look like petty indiscretions in comparison.

Unfortunately, it is sometimes impossible not to buy Chinese products but, when given the choice, I will always choose the non-Chinese option. As for as I'm concerned, "Real MG" died in 2005. Today, MG is nothing more than a counterfeit badge stuck onto a miserable, bottom-feeding Chinese sh!tbox.

So if you want to fund the Chinese Communist Party and, by extension, all the atrocities they commit, then go ahead and buy a so-called MG. Try not to think of the millions of people murdered by the Chinese state when you do.
That sounds very melodramatic, but for the fact it’s 100% true. Like most things coming out of China they are cheap because most of the people making it have not been paid properly or treated like a person rather than a meat robot. It’s up to you if you care or not.

anonymous-user

14 months

Saturday 11th July
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..and like most Chinese products its blatant copy of other cars. The MG SUV is an amalgamation of Qashqai and Mercedes.

Is that a bad thing, well to some, maybe not but it just looks like it's trying to be something its not.

Blue Oval84

4,901 posts

121 months

Saturday 11th July
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As has probably already been said, MG's strength is their EV drivetrain.

I had my first go in a ZS EV recently and was prepared to find it a bit st. In reality it's leagues ahead of the Nissan Leaf in most ways, slightly more wallowy in corners but that's because it's an SUV. The interior was nicer, the ride quality was smoother and it had loads of space. If someone's after an EV they're hard to overlook.

So long as you can get past the fact that they represent one of the worst regimes on planet earth today.