Current Jaguar Range

Current Jaguar Range

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bad company

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11,141 posts

214 months

Friday 29th March
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8bit said:
They never intended to shift the sorts of volumes that the Germans do. I'm not sure they're exactly doing badly, see loads of them around here nowadays.
They’re doing so well they announced 4500 job cuts.

http://fortune.com/2019/01/10/jaguar-land-rover-la...

300bhp/ton

37,750 posts

138 months

Friday 29th March
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8bit said:
How do you figure it costs "peanuts"? Perhaps yes, if you are Audi, you have a wide range of models with reuse of parts wherever possible and your cost per unit is low and your margins are high. Jaguar simply do not manufacture on anywhere near that scale so they're margins will be slimmer, meaning that they don't have the luxury of low margin, low volume halo models. I'm sure if they were justifiable then Jaguar would still be making them.
Jaguar already have the models and the bits to make them go fast. You don't need to build or design a car from scratch or the ground up just to make it quicker and more fun.

I'm rather confused why you think this isn't the case.

8bit

2,782 posts

103 months

Friday 29th March
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300bhp/ton said:
Jaguar already have the models and the bits to make them go fast. You don't need to build or design a car from scratch or the ground up just to make it quicker and more fun.

I'm rather confused why you think this isn't the case.
They do now for the current range but they weren't selling. I'm saying they are not likely to continue to do so. Yes they have the V6 and V8 engines but they're going to disappear. It's not just as simple as swapping that into a car designed for a 2.0 diesel though, not these days.

bad company

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11,141 posts

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Friday 29th March
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8bit said:
They do now for the current range but they weren't selling. I'm saying they are not likely to continue to do so. Yes they have the V6 and V8 engines but they're going to disappear. It's not just as simple as swapping that into a car designed for a 2.0 diesel though, not these days.
I understand that but Jaguar has to come up with something new, innovative and exciting. The current range of diesel and low/medium powered petrol engines won’t excite anyone.

300bhp/ton

37,750 posts

138 months

Friday 29th March
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8bit said:
They do now for the current range but they weren't selling. I'm saying they are not likely to continue to do so. Yes they have the V6 and V8 engines but they're going to disappear. It's not just as simple as swapping that into a car designed for a 2.0 diesel though, not these days.
What cars have they got that are only designed for a 2.0 diesel? Surely anything on the D7a platform or whatever it's called, will be able to easily use the V6 and V8 engines, as this platform has already used them.

As for being popular or not, I guess that depends how they were pitched, marketed and priced. While looking through Wikipedia it seems they may have built some pretty quick V6 ones, I don't recall anything even remotely marketed like an M car or even an Audi S car, let alone RS.

Has there been an XE-R at all?

akadk

783 posts

127 months

Friday 29th March
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bad company said:
I understand that but Jaguar has to come up with something new, innovative and exciting. The current range of diesel and low/medium powered petrol engines won’t excite anyone.
You mean, like a I-PACE ....

bad company

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Friday 29th March
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akadk said:
bad company said:
I understand that but Jaguar has to come up with something new, innovative and exciting. The current range of diesel and low/medium powered petrol engines won’t excite anyone.
You mean, like a I-PACE ....
If you want an SUV, yes possibly but why set the Jaguars to compete against the Range Rovers?

Anyway I’m not an SUV fan. I’d like a high performance saloon and disappointingly Jaguar don’t offer one. Particularly disappointed as Jaguar have heritage for fast saloons.

MCSV8

742 posts

211 months

Saturday 30th March
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I'm on my 5th XJ - I'm a British car fan.

The OH had an MG ZS180 which has now expired. She wants a 4-door petrol, manual saloon.

Great, I thought, I'll get her an XE - petrol, 4 door err no manuals !!

akadk

783 posts

127 months

Sunday 31st March
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bad company said:
If you want an SUV, yes possibly but why set the Jaguars to compete against the Range Rovers?

Anyway I’m not an SUV fan. I’d like a high performance saloon and disappointingly Jaguar don’t offer one. Particularly disappointed as Jaguar have heritage for fast saloons.
It’s more cross over than full SUV

If you drive one you’ll realise it would leave a mk1 XF R for dust on a back road.

bad company

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11,141 posts

214 months

Sunday 31st March
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akadk said:
It’s more cross over than full SUV

If you drive one you’ll realise it would leave a mk1 XF R for dust on a back road.
I just read the Top Gear review. It looks very good and can carry our bikes.

I’d need to get my head around the limited range. Electric cars may well be the future but are we ready for them yet? Not sure.

hackjo

82 posts

108 months

Tuesday 9th April
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Jaguar have done a Rover and chucked their brand heritage out of the window in pursuit of volume sales.

Personally, I think they’re finished. Despite everything, in the Ford era they were still considered to be upmarket, sporty, sleek cars. The first XF developed that towards a “Cool Britannia” kind of image which was promising. Since then, they’ve fked it by going el cheapo and making SUV’s - an even more bizarre decision seeing as they are bedfellows with Land Rover.

bad company

Original Poster:

11,141 posts

214 months

Tuesday 9th April
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hackjo said:
Jaguar have done a Rover and chucked their brand heritage out of the window in pursuit of volume sales.

Personally, I think they’re finished. Despite everything, in the Ford era they were still considered to be upmarket, sporty, sleek cars. The first XF developed that towards a “Cool Britannia” kind of image which was promising. Since then, they’ve fked it by going el cheapo and making SUV’s - an even more bizarre decision seeing as they are bedfellows with Land Rover.
I hope you’re wrong but the British motor industry has form for getting it wrong and going out of business.

Mike_Mac

628 posts

148 months

Tuesday 9th April
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hackjo said:
Jaguar have done a Rover and chucked their brand heritage out of the window in pursuit of volume sales.

Personally, I think they’re finished. Despite everything, in the Ford era they were still considered to be upmarket, sporty, sleek cars. The first XF developed that towards a “Cool Britannia” kind of image which was promising. Since then, they’ve fked it by going el cheapo and making SUV’s - an even more bizarre decision seeing as they are bedfellows with Land Rover.
Agreed and the XE and new XF just don't cut it either IMO, and I really wanted a decent compact exec in Jag's lineup. Added to that, Main Dealer Labour rates are now utterly barking (£135 +VAT at my nearest one). If I felt I would be getting value for money I wouldn't necessarily mind, but they're atrocious, as is the next nearest MD to me. I don't see customers accepting that pricing for an XE or normal spec XF for long TBH!

I now travel an extra 15 miles up the motorway for a good indy instead, as does my FiL

Rockmonkey

59 posts

42 months

Sunday 26th May
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It would be awesome if Jaguar released a new XFR. I know they've tested the supercharged V8 in the current XF. I also know it absolutely destroyed it's suspension and subframe bushes, those were the only bits I worked on for D7a so I've no idea how the rest of the car handled the torque.
They've also been testing an inline 6 with hybrid tech, I'm hoping that'll be the basis for future performance models and a new XFR. There were also rumours of an engine deal which would have meant BMW supplying Jaguar with M5 engines, don't know if that's still going on.
For now though, I'll stick with my mk1 XFR, it may be nine years old but it's still absoluetly bonkers.

cardigankid

7,671 posts

160 months

Monday 27th May
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fatboy b said:
bad company said:
They were slightly in the red last quarter. So they decided to hang all their lay-off costs and restructuring costs on it too. Normal practice. Don’t fret.
Don't fret, eh? Apparently its the biggest loss in Indian corporate history.

Now, at last, they are discounting cars and offering 0% finance deals. A mere ten years too late. There have been too many bad decisions, not enough focus on quality, too much executive hubris, too much money spent on meaningless PR and sadly some pretty poor design. This is only going to end one way and it doesn't look too far off now. Nobody is going to give them the money they need for a relaunch this time, so we are going to have a sellout, to someone, with LR earning a living for itself, and Jaguar going the way of SAAB.

bad company

Original Poster:

11,141 posts

214 months

Monday 27th May
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cardigankid said:
Don't fret, eh? Apparently its the biggest loss in Indian corporate history.

Now, at last, they are discounting cars and offering 0% finance deals. A mere ten years too late. There have been too many bad decisions, not enough focus on quality, too much executive hubris, too much money spent on meaningless PR and sadly some pretty poor design. This is only going to end one way and it doesn't look too far off now. Nobody is going to give them the money they need for a relaunch this time, so we are going to have a sellout, to someone, with LR earning a living for itself, and Jaguar going the way of SAAB.
Wow, I hope you’re wrong.

I still fancy an F Type but can’t bring myself to pay the extortionate prices of the car and extras. When I configured one online I was up to £65,000 + when they wanted to charge another £60 for vanity mirrors in the sun visors. Why not add tyre caps to the options list while they’re at it. frown

BenjiS

572 posts

39 months

Monday 27th May
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Rockmonkey said:
It would be awesome if Jaguar released a new XFR. I know they've tested the supercharged V8 in the current XF. I also know it absolutely destroyed it's suspension and subframe bushes, those were the only bits I worked on for D7a so I've no idea how the rest of the car handled the torque.
I imagine it deals with it in the same way the XF-S diesel variant does, which has more torque than the XFR.

cardigankid

7,671 posts

160 months

Monday 27th May
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Whatever the issues, it is still a great drive. Rumours of a corporate sale are continuing, and I reckon they will be desperate to shift cars. I would think that if you want one, now is the time to check with a few dealers, and see who has got what you want in stock. Forget about a factory order.

I was recently offered a 2018 F Type V6S (380) convertible, ex demonstrator, 5925 miles up, pretty near immaculate with some nice options for, in the end, £46,500, from a main dealer. I think that over the next few weeks there are going to be even better deals available, and those in a position to vulture purchase could pick up a nice car cheap.

Best of luck.

Edited by cardigankid on Monday 27th May 08:44

fatboy b

8,324 posts

164 months

Monday 27th May
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BenjiS said:
Rockmonkey said:
It would be awesome if Jaguar released a new XFR. I know they've tested the supercharged V8 in the current XF. I also know it absolutely destroyed it's suspension and subframe bushes, those were the only bits I worked on for D7a so I've no idea how the rest of the car handled the torque.
I imagine it deals with it in the same way the XF-S diesel variant does, which has more torque than the XFR.
I’m sure that extra 20nm makes a world of difference. It’s about time the current XF caught up with the old one in all aspects.

a8hex

5,015 posts

171 months

Monday 27th May
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fatboy b said:
BenjiS said:
Rockmonkey said:
It would be awesome if Jaguar released a new XFR. I know they've tested the supercharged V8 in the current XF. I also know it absolutely destroyed it's suspension and subframe bushes, those were the only bits I worked on for D7a so I've no idea how the rest of the car handled the torque.
I imagine it deals with it in the same way the XF-S diesel variant does, which has more torque than the XFR.
I’m sure that extra 20nm makes a world of difference. It’s about time the current XF caught up with the old one in all aspects.
The diesel might have more torque on the engine side of the gear box, but not on the road side. Otherwise it would be able to out accelerate the R, which I don't think it does biggrin