Jaguar XF - Was it that good in hindsight?

Jaguar XF - Was it that good in hindsight?

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racezimmer

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354 posts

163 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I recently found an old Jaguar feature from Evo magazine that was released in 2008 when the XF came out. It covered many years of Jaguar models and culminated in a glowing review of the XF. I remember press reviews at the time treated it like the second coming.

I had two of the facelifted version, both 2.2 sadly. I also know someone who has an early 3.0. I still like them, particularly the interior design, but my lasting impression is of a car which felt special on first acquaintance but began to feel a little veneer-thin after time. 20% too strong in bling and 20% too weak on genuine quality and luxury attributes such as refinement and ride quality.

What's the consensus on the XF after all these years? Particularly in light of the fact we've had 4 years with it's replacement (which I think is a dreadful, cynical product, FWIW).

V88Dicky

7,312 posts

186 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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We ran a nearly new at the time, 5.0 as our family car for over five years. I thought it was a solid, comfortable and reliable car with a decent amount of shove when prodded.

Replaced last year with an XE S 380, which is better in every respect, other than space obviously.

Nevertheless, our XF was still a good car.

jack_86

335 posts

95 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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The XF round here was either driven by JLR employees with all the kit on them, the only ones I saw privately owned where in a gold colour with a 70 year old behind the wheel.


Evercross

6,163 posts

67 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I currently have a 3.0dS Portfolio with all the toys including the Aero bodykit. Previous owner was an old boy who treated himself for his retirement and ticked every box on the options sheet, then kept it in his garage for seven years and just polished it. I got it with just 7,000 miles.

Came to it after 5 years of BMW ownership and I absolutely think it is a cut above the drab conformity of the Germans. Double door seals make it whisper quiet even at autobahn speeds. Talking of autobahns - I have completed several trans-Europe trips in it and it is the one car I have owned in 32 years of driving that I climb out of after several hundred miles not feeling in the least bit fatigued.

I plan on keeping it for a while yet and I am struggling what to think will be a worthy replacement.

Edited by Evercross on Monday 18th May 18:48

Jamescrs

4,602 posts

68 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I never owned one but did have a test drive in one a couple of years ago, a diesel of some description, I don't remember the engine now. I really liked the car they way it was styled and drove and the quality seemed good, unfortunately the one I drove had a wooden interior trim which really didn't appeal to me and I was won over by an A4 estate at the same dealer. If it had an aluminium interior trim I suspect I would have probably bought it.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

133 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Maybe it was so good because of what it replaced was absolute dross

Wooda80

1,743 posts

78 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I worked for a Jaguar dealer all through the XF's life.

A new Jag is always good copy for the UK motoring press. When it completely re-invented what a Jaguar should look like to almost universal approval but was also dynamically competitive with the best cars in its class it was hardly surprising that it got the reception it did.

Ironically it was Jaguar's existing customers that liked it least. The old-boy golf club S-Type types couldn't get on with it at all at first. Maybe it was a slap in the face to the 'traditional' customers that Jaguar weren't doing traditional any more.

Or maybe it was due to price .Whilst on paper a decent spec XF was only £3000 or so more than an S-Type, the old car was discounted out of the door whereas the new car was sold out for months with no discount. You'd get the old car brand new on the road for around £28000 whereas the new one would be firm at nearer £37000. Assuming that the cost of building them was similar then the profits for the manufacturer were self evident.

Either way there was a strong whiff of Cortina syndrome, and late model low mileage S-Types were in strong demand in 2008/9 whereas XF buyers tended to be new to the brand.

Peak Jag was probably 2010-2011. The X-Type was dead and buried, the XJ was all new, XF and XK were still fresh, engines were 3.0 or 5.0 only. Benefit In Kind? Pence per mile? Clutch pedal? Nothing for you here, sir!

But unfortunately that's not sustainable, imagine a BMW range that starts with a 530d! The 2012MY gave the XF 8 speeds rather than 6, the headlights it should always have had, better seats, audio and touchscreen. But it also brought back the 4 cylinder Jag in the 2.2 versions.

The OP had a 2.2 and seemed to be wondering what all the fuss about the XF was. You have to remember that whilst the 2012 car was far better than the 2008 original but the original was compared against the E60 BMW and W211 Mercedes. By the time the later car came along the world had moved on with an all new 5 series and an all new E-Class.



Edited by Wooda80 on Monday 18th May 19:35

NelsonM3

1,696 posts

174 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Had a 2011 pre facelift 3.0dS Portfolio for 6 months Last year. Absolutely brilliant car. Quick, super quiet, 44mpg +, yes the Tech was a bit out of date but most cars are after 3 years anyway.

Only sold it as my Uncle kept pestering me to sell it to him after I’d sold him my 2004 3.0 Manual S Type to him 8 years earlier. Both cars have been fault free for him.

stumpage

2,113 posts

229 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I have an XF. Had it for over 2 years now and love it. Yes it has flaws, not the sturdiest of interiors and some annoying faults (which may be down to the front getting damaged by some old dear in the first 6 weeks of ownership. As they have all be related to items in front of the radiator). But the way it gets down the road it sublime for a car of its size. I tested the E Class, 5 series and A6 and the Jaguar was just so much better IMO. I have the 250hp Petrol, I think it looks great on the outside. I will need a hybrid next to beat the taxman, I will be gutted when it goes.

ali_XF

385 posts

174 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Owned 3 - 2008 SV8 - properly quick Q car. Looked like a 2.7D and went like the clappers.
2010 XFR- owned for 3 years, first 18 months it was awesome.


Real Jekyll and Hyde car. Slapped on a set of back boxes and air filters and it dyno’d at 593bhp. But could burble round town taking my son to nursery etc and feel fairly comfortable.



But then the timing chain let go and lunched the engine. Had a warranty but my god was it hard to get it sorted. Dealers doing the work made a mess and it was never right again.


Got rid of that and snapped up a current shape ‘Black Friday special’ lease on a 2.0 ingenium petrol turbo. Bland soulless box built to a price but looked ok and was cheap to run. It went back earlier this year.

My view- the original was a great design for the time, especially given the 2p and a box of sweets budget they had to develop it. Newer one obviously built to capitalise on the increased interest in the brand with no real halo model to take on the E63, M5 etc

Wouldn’t mind an XFRS in a few years time.

miniman

25,349 posts

265 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Mine was great, apart from it had a buckled wheel that made it vibrate a bit on the motorway. Quite sensitive to interior spec IMO. I had black leather with aluminium and piano black dash. The pipe and slippers references I think are to beige leather and “wood” trim.

3.0 diesel was nice and brisk.

Good car. Only moved mine on because of 3 growing kids demanding more leg room.

Brett748

946 posts

169 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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A mate of mine has a 2.2 160 and it was quite good. The XJ L that replaced it was a cut above though!

scottygib553

574 posts

98 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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The facelift Sportbrake was gorgeous and I nearly bought one but felt it was a bit mature (was 27 at the time).

pmanson

13,387 posts

256 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I loved my 2014 3.0s. Only issues I had were the solenoid on the door locks failing just out of warranty.

It was a quick car and comfortable only changed it as it really wasn't that practical with 3 kids and a dog.

chasingracecars

1,696 posts

100 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I had a 2.2D 2013 XF sportbrake Portfolio.

Broke down soo many times in the 18months I had it swapped it for an Audi A6 3.0L Twin Turbo. Straight swap and better reliability.

XF drove like a dream when it worked.

mattuk89

493 posts

141 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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I had a Audi s4 2015 r sport black so came with a bit of kit. The 1000w meridian sound system was very good, but I just couldn’t gel with it, mainly because of the 2.2 engine, ended up getting rid of it after a few months at a big loss.

Have had a few cars since and now I’m thinking of a big estate, had my eyes on a “S” estate with every option I wanted but with everything going on I didn’t pursue, and someone else put a deposit down on it last week, might be sign, also looking at 5 series estates, which I think I’ll end up going for, as I preferred my 520d saloon to the the xf! The bmw 4 pot was a lot better than the jags, but I do think if I went for an S originally I might of kept it longer!


Evercross

6,163 posts

67 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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ash73 said:
They should have stuck with what they did best - walnut & leather and classy lines - instead of a posh Mondeo.
LOL. The X-Type (so called posh Mondeo) tried to ape the walnut/leather/classy lines.

XF was the breakaway from that and all the better for it. So make up your mind.

MalcXFR

320 posts

51 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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More than happy with my 64 plate xfr though currently needs new alternator. Other than that no issues so far.

Krikkit

26,744 posts

184 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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My Father had two - one saloon, one sportbrake and both were handsome, well-appointed cars (the autobiography/portfolio S versions had extra leather etc that really perked it up). Both were the big diesel and drove immensely well despite the oil burner - the ride quality was a sublime mix of comfort and control.

Interior was faultless for both when he had them, the only niggles were a fuel cap solenoid that wouldn't open reliably, and a noisy interior grab handle - both fixed under warranty without quibble by the dealer.

Both were better than the Audi Q8 he replaced the last one with - the Q8's technology is understandably amazing by comparison, but the build and design quality is shockingly poor... Things like door seals, panel gaps going out, infotainment crashing, suspension rattles etc have all cropped up within the first 12 months.

finlo

3,816 posts

206 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Evercross said:
LOL. The X-Type (so called posh Mondeo) tried to ape the walnut/leather/classy lines.

XF was the breakaway from that and all the better for it. So make up your mind.
They were a development of the S type which itself was spawned from the Lincoln LS.