Considering a diesel XE.

Considering a diesel XE.

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Classic_kid95

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11 posts

40 months

Wednesday 27th May
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Evening all,

After lockdown I'm considering buying a diesel XE.

I'm aware there has already been a thread but that was relating to the petrol S model.

There's a few things I'm wondering/worried about.

1. I'm looking at the R-Sport models. I'm assuming with them being the sporty model the suspension will be firm. However is it uncomfortable and bumpy?

2. How reliable is the 2.0 diesel engine? Every car has the odd horror story, but are there any common faults?

4. Relating to above, are the 3 power options mechanically different or just different engine maps?

3. How reliable are the electrics? I hear nothing but trouble with Land Rovers however does the XE have many issues?

Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for any information.

TheFungle

3,702 posts

162 months

Thursday 28th May
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My wife had a D150 Portfolio and in summary it was comfortable and enjoyable to drive,

However!

As a manual it had a heavy clutch and a notchy gearchange when at lower speeds - auto would have been better in hindsight and proven by her switch to an E-Pace.

Ride was composed and enjoyable on most roads.

Infotainment was decent but prone to the odd gremlin.

Great car but possibly dependant on spec.

lexusboy

1,057 posts

99 months

Thursday 28th May
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Don’t.

The diesel ingenium engine is woeful for reliability. Chains rattle and need replacing. Balance shafts whine and need replacing. Turbos fail and flood the engine with oil. AdBlue problems aren’t plenty which can result in four figure repair bills.

They do handle well but get the petrol. The MPG on the diesels are only good because most the time they’re travelling on the back of an AA truck.

stevemcs

4,576 posts

49 months

Thursday 28th May
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If you want an xe go for the petrol.

Simpo Two

72,172 posts

221 months

Friday 29th May
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lexusboy said:
The diesel ingenium engine is woeful for reliability. Chains rattle and need replacing. Balance shafts whine and need replacing. Turbos fail and flood the engine with oil. AdBlue problems aren’t plenty which can result in four figure repair bills....
I wonder if this is an example of 'progress'? The 2.7D in my 2006 S-Type was brilliant, no problems in six years from 60K to 130K miles.

REALIST123

13,674 posts

109 months

Friday 29th May
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lexusboy said:
Don’t.

The diesel ingenium engine is woeful for reliability. Chains rattle and need replacing. Balance shafts whine and need replacing. Turbos fail and flood the engine with oil. AdBlue problems aren’t plenty which can result in four figure repair bills.

They do handle well but get the petrol. The MPG on the diesels are only good because most the time they’re travelling on the back of an AA truck.
Why aren’t those issues also evident with the petrol, which shares may components with the diesel versions? Or are they?

Simpo Two

72,172 posts

221 months

Friday 29th May
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REALIST123 said:
Why aren’t those issues also evident with the petrol, which shares may components with the diesel versions? Or are they?
I guess the petrol versions don't have turbos and AdBlue. I suspect much of the diesel's problems are caused by increasingly demanding EU emissions regulations which are pushing diesel technology to the limit - so it breaks sometimes.

REALIST123

13,674 posts

109 months

Friday 29th May
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Simpo Two said:
REALIST123 said:
Why aren’t those issues also evident with the petrol, which shares may components with the diesel versions? Or are they?
I guess the petrol versions don't have turbos and AdBlue. I suspect much of the diesel's problems are caused by increasingly demanding EU emissions regulations which are pushing diesel technology to the limit - so it breaks sometimes.
Well, they don’t have adblue but they are all turbos. The engines have a lot in common.

Mr_Megalomaniac

149 posts

22 months

Friday 29th May
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Classic_kid95 said:
Evening all,
I'm aware there has already been a thread but that was relating to the petrol S model.

There's a few things I'm wondering/worried about.

1. I'm looking at the R-Sport models. I'm assuming with them being the sporty model the suspension will be firm. However is it uncomfortable and bumpy?

2. How reliable is the 2.0 diesel engine? Every car has the odd horror story, but are there any common faults?

3. How reliable are the electrics? I hear nothing but trouble with Land Rovers however does the XE have many issues?
I admit I'm a bit of a petrol snob but having recently bought an XE I thought I'd weigh in as I did extensive research before hand. The diesels are the less reliable ones - it's the reason on average Jag ranks low. If you only consider their petrol models they rank 3rd in the UK for the reliability stats I pulled, 14th when combined and 25th when diesel only. So make of that what you will.

I have the R-Sport and the suspension isn't too hard at all (and I occasionally have a bad back from 20+ years of competitive rowing). In fact when I bought it and drove it home a good 200+ kms it was the most comfortable stint of driving I've done in the last 5 years in the UK. What I would say is that it's a bit wider than expected, and so can be nerve wracking on narrow country lanes. I would also add further that the seats are very comfortable and the handling dynamics quite a treat. I had considered an x-drive 3 series BMW which was probably the closest in terms of handling (truth be told the BMW does edge it a bit on the handling/drive).

Regarding reliability, generally it's been fine and I have read on other forums to keep a trickle charger handy for periods longer than 4 days parked (the S/S will otherwise take days to recharge). Also from personal experience I have had one issue; a temporary issue and something I believe may relate to the exhaust gas recirculation. Long story short; on a hot day, if you start and stop the engine multiple times (not the S/S system, I mean turning the car off) then it *can* get confused as to whether or not it's doing a hot start or a cold start. I think it begins the EGR early, and that causes the engine to produce no power at idle and die. I left the car for 10min and it started fine - been fine since. I did also press the breakdown assistance button and Jag were a treat - had a guy out very quickly; checked the car over, all OBD systems and confirmed everything was fine.

In summary; I've been blessed with owning or being intimately exposed to a large variety of mid-market and top-market cars over the decades. The Jag XE is the nicest one I've personally owned and certainly beats out the German rivals. It's got more character, feel, fun and driving feel than my good friend's Tesla, and is swift enough that you never have to worry about keeping with the flow of traffic. But I would caution; buy the petrol.

Simpo Two

72,172 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th May
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REALIST123 said:
Well, they don’t have adblue but they are all turbos. The engines have a lot in common.
Fair point, didn't know that.

But the fact is the same - turbos are not new tech. So why do they now break? Are they just made on the cheap?

REALIST123

13,674 posts

109 months

Saturday 30th May
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Simpo Two said:
REALIST123 said:
Well, they don’t have adblue but they are all turbos. The engines have a lot in common.
Fair point, didn't know that.

But the fact is the same - turbos are not new tech. So why do they now break? Are they just made on the cheap?
I’m not sure, that’s why I posted. I’m in the same boat as Mr Meg above; a 25T petrol XF for over 2.5 years now.
Reliability wise it’s been fine. New front seat covers because of prem wear on a seam if one.
I know what he means about the s/s battery but mine was stood for a month earlier this year with 1 short run in the middle. After a couple of hours the s/s was working again.
I do hear that the diesels have had issues and just wonder what bothers them that doesn’t bother the petrol versions even though the 2l petrol give out 250/300bhp, significantly more than the 2l diesels.

MrPetrol

Original Poster:

11 posts

40 months

Saturday 30th May
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Evening All,

Thanks for all the responses. So I've been doing some more research and correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the petrol ingenium engines introduced in 2017 whereas the Diesel versions were available from launch in 2015? Maybe the petrol is a completely different engine?

Thank you guys for letting me know of the diesel issues. I'm not sure what to do now. I didn't really want a petrol as the economy isnt as good as diesel. Time for some thinking. Do the 3.0 diesels in the XFs have the same issues?

Thanks again.

stevemcs

4,576 posts

49 months

Sunday 31st May
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Early petrols were the ford eco boost units I believe, the 3.0 V6 has its own issues. Then again so do other cars.

V88Dicky

6,392 posts

139 months

Sunday 31st May
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MrPetrol said:
Evening All,

Thanks for all the responses. So I've been doing some more research and correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the petrol ingenium engines introduced in 2017 whereas the Diesel versions were available from launch in 2015? Maybe the petrol is a completely different engine?

Thank you guys for letting me know of the diesel issues. I'm not sure what to do now. I didn't really want a petrol as the economy isnt as good as diesel. Time for some thinking. Do the 3.0 diesels in the XFs have the same issues?

Thanks again.
Can I ask what kind of driving will the car mostly do, and your average yearly miles?

xjay1337

15,418 posts

74 months

Sunday 31st May
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Classic_kid95 said:
Evening all,

After lockdown I'm considering buying a diesel XE.

I'm aware there has already been a thread but that was relating to the petrol S model.

There's a few things I'm wondering/worried about.

1. I'm looking at the R-Sport models. I'm assuming with them being the sporty model the suspension will be firm. However is it uncomfortable and bumpy?

2. How reliable is the 2.0 diesel engine? Every car has the odd horror story, but are there any common faults?

4. Relating to above, are the 3 power options mechanically different or just different engine maps?

3. How reliable are the electrics? I hear nothing but trouble with Land Rovers however does the XE have many issues?

Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for any information.
My Dad has an XE 184 R sport 2.0d (2016 model)

He's had it for around 50k miles and mechanically only thing that went wrong was a Adblue sensor.

Electrics can be a bit iffy but his has been OK, few minor niggles but nothing major.
Main problem was the poor service standards by the Jaguar dealers, things like a leaking shock not being classed as a "failed item" , which he had to fight for, and stupid little things like being charged to fill up the AdBlue tank but it not being filled up and such like.

I've also had it tuned for him, proper custom map , not a tuning box and it is a fair amount more pokey now.

I think he averages around 55mpg on most long journeys.
He has also fitted a big carbon splitter, carbon diffuser and twin exhaust along with H&R suspension :-)
It's always been a reasonably comfortable car certainly more comfortable than an F30 330d or similar.

I'd say go for it but be prepared to run a warranty for peace of mind.

fatboy b

8,605 posts

172 months

Monday 1st June
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I’ve had a few diesel XE courtesy cars, and couldn’t wait to give them back. Binary throttle is the main gripe, but it’s a pretty unrefined engine even for e diesel.

NST

1,516 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd June
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We recently chopped in our XF ( new shape after almost 4 years) it was one of the early cars.
R-sport, 180 diesel.

Our mileage was around 18-22k year, 70% town driving.

We had no engine issues at all, the gearbox had a major issue at 40k which was traced to an internal wiring issues, this is a ZF issue not jag.

Adblue usage was consistently at every 8-11k . Mpg average 39, motorway 48-60mpg.

Not heard of putting the car on a trickle charger, we would leave it parked up for 3-4wks no issues regarding starting/stop start works all the time , unlike my brothers 2017 e class which has a mind if it's own

Very impressed with the XF, great drive, and cheap to run (except the 20" tyres). Imho nicer than than our f pace.

Jaguar dealers also handled the gearbox issue brilliantly.

xjay1337

15,418 posts

74 months

Thursday 2nd July
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@ OP.



My dad wants to get rid of his XE. Feel free to E-mail me if you want any details.