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Dr Interceptor

7,781 posts

196 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Swings and roundabouts here. January was strong on all fronts, February was quiet on web retail, but trade sales were strong and propped it up. This month web retail is back at full chat (as of the 16th yesterday we’d already beaten Feb figures) but trade so far this month has been slow. Still a long way to go!

I’m sat on a lot of stock all ready for the Easter rush when a lot of people will open up their outdoor pools for the summer, just need some good weather forecast.

_-XXXX-_

10,294 posts

205 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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105.4 said:
In a way, this is bad. I Have 101 jobs to do at home, and no time to do them.

On the other hand, the more volume I shift, the more I earn.

Oh well, back at it for another 12-13 hour day.
In self employment you make hay while the sun shines. The others jobs can wait for a rainy day!

105.4

4,081 posts

71 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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_-XXXX-_ said:
105.4 said:
In a way, this is bad. I Have 101 jobs to do at home, and no time to do them.

On the other hand, the more volume I shift, the more I earn.

Oh well, back at it for another 12-13 hour day.
In self employment you make hay while the sun shines. The others jobs can wait for a rainy day!
Absolutely ! And hence why I buried myself from late September to mid January.

The thing is, some of these jobs, like finishing off my Kangoo RS197, have been on the back boiler for the last two years.

RicksAlfas

13,394 posts

244 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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105.4 said:
Absolutely ! And hence why I buried myself from late September to mid January.

The thing is, some of these jobs, like finishing off my Kangoo RS197, have been on the back boiler for the last two years.
But imagine how quick your round will be once you get it finished!
biggrin

_-XXXX-_

10,294 posts

205 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Haha, indeed! I've got an arcade machine I've been fixing for years too, these things have to wait smile

105.4

4,081 posts

71 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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RicksAlfas said:
But imagine how quick your round will be once you get it finished!
biggrin
Half the weight of my current Trafic, with twice the power, but only half the load carrying capacity…..

scratchchin

I’m sure there’s some man-maths that makes logical sense there somewhere biggrin

105.4

4,081 posts

71 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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Phooey said:
Always interesting to hear, thank you. I'd certainly be interested to hear how the next few weeks are for you
Give this thread / question a ‘bump’ in early May and I’ll let you know. smile

gotoPzero

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17,227 posts

189 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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I am selling quite a lot of things on ebay as I am trying to de clutter. I have noticed a good increase in sales this last couple of weeks. Sold about 10 items in 2 weeks vs maybe 2 or 3 items in all of Jan and Feb. They are all BIN too so not auctions.

Regy53

264 posts

131 months

Saturday 18th March 2023
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Currently I’m paying little attention to what the man on the street is doing and more so on the money institutes of the world, Because the two are not in correlation. Somthing is very wrong, this isnt going to blow over. The man on the street is behind the times . A bit of spring weather also helps a lot

Edited by Regy53 on Saturday 18th March 23:38

105.4

4,081 posts

71 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Regy53 said:
Currently I’m paying little attention to what the man on the street is doing and more so on the money institutes of the world, Because the two are not in correlation. Something is very wrong, this isnt going to blow over. The man on the street is behind the times . A bit of spring weather also helps a lot
Which then begs the question, why????

Why is the average Joe so far behind? In our household we’ve been trimming the fat for over 12 months now, (since it became obvious Russia was going to invade Ukraine).

Now bearing in mind that I am far from being the brightest bulb in the box, if I could see a ststorm brewing on the horizon and prepared accordingly, why couldn’t most other folk?

Regy53

264 posts

131 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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105.4 said:
Regy53 said:
Currently I’m paying little attention to what the man on the street is doing and more so on the money institutes of the world, Because the two are not in correlation. Something is very wrong, this isnt going to blow over. The man on the street is behind the times . A bit of spring weather also helps a lot
Which then begs the question, why????

Why is the average Joe so far behind? In our household we’ve been trimming the fat for over 12 months now, (since it became obvious Russia was going to invade Ukraine).

Now bearing in mind that I am far from being the brightest bulb in the box, if I could see a ststorm brewing on the horizon and prepared accordingly, why couldn’t most other folk?
I think it’s been talked about to long, I understand everything your saying somthing doesn’t make sense . Iv been saying this for so long I look stupid. Probably 1.5 years ago I have been preparing my business for a recession , keeping costs low, building capital etc I know that’s business sense anyway but I haven’t really spent anything unnecessary . Now I’m that time we have actually had the best 18 months of our trading history??

Yet the money markets , the stock markets are all on rinse and repeat from history go by, and the indicators are fiercely representative of a 08 replica. Fuel is hit 65 dollars a barrel, money in banks is looking unsafe , gold is up, the problem is the fed has no tools to combat this, usually they can drop Interest rates to help spend but they can’t due to inflation which is falling but I don’t think the timings right, instead like the ecb they are going to raise likely another 25 basis points this week. You can’t go from near zero % to 5% none stop and not see things happen. It just takes a while for it to wash through the system , it’s starting to show up.

I mentioned the last 18 months we’re the best we ever had, the last 6 have been just incredible, we sell used construction machines. There have been a huge excess in the uk since mid ish last year, work started to slow, all the bounce back loan purchases have been up for sale due to no work, construction is a hugely slowing area, we are lucky to have exported globally but that is now fiercely slowing too. Our market is like a commodity in a way due to exchange rates etc . But as the crunch comes we’re seeing money move elsewhere, we’re seeing markets say we don’t need machines etc etc

clockworks

5,361 posts

145 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Is the slowdown in construction a regional thing, or just certain sectors?

My lodger is the accounts department supervisor at a fairly large groundworks and development company here in the far Southwest. Mostly residential, a bit of commercial. Over 200 subbies on site, £20m+ turnover. What's causing them problems is shortage of labour, not lack of jobs on the books.

egor110

16,860 posts

203 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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@regy53

Do you sell much over to Poland?

We had s written off tractor collected and the salvage guy was saying people here are paying mental prices for written off machinery and that in Poland they get government grants to buy used stuff and fix it rather than buy brand new ( possibly could just be ag machinery though)

ben5575

6,262 posts

221 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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clockworks said:
Is the slowdown in construction a regional thing, or just certain sectors?

My lodger is the accounts department supervisor at a fairly large groundworks and development company here in the far Southwest. Mostly residential, a bit of commercial. Over 200 subbies on site, £20m+ turnover. What's causing them problems is shortage of labour, not lack of jobs on the books.
  • Institutional funding, dev finance and senior debt put a general halt on green lighting new projects this time last year due to risks around construction inflation, so a lack of supply of new schemes
  • Legacy projects that were funded now coming to an end/completed
  • Public sector investment significantly down
  • Contractors tied into pre inflation fixed price contracts, particularly medium sized ones that are/were exposed across several projects, have now gone pop or are very close to going pop
  • Subcontractors left being owed lots of money as a result and are struggling to manage the losses
  • All leading to investing in new plant being very low down in their list of priorities
With the exception of inflation, a proportion of which was fuelled by lots of cash in the system as well as external forces, all of that is symptomatic of the sector and doesn't, in my mind at least, point to 2008.

That's a different issue to there not being sufficient labour in a specific location. Likewise it's also different to local small builders/house extensions etc.

In other news I (developer in the north east) legally completed on three house sales on Friday and sold four between 9.30 and 12 noon yesterday.

22

2,295 posts

137 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Posh (& not cheap) garden maintenance company here and demand is strong. Customers are usually comfortably off, but clearly happy to spend on luxury services. Existing customers are accepting RPI increases as part of their contracts (lost a very small number last year - none this year so far). If we lost any we'd fill the window in a flash.

Seemingly hundreds of one-man-band gardeners putting their names forward for every sniff of a job on social media and we're in a different world completely.

fridaypassion

8,561 posts

228 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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New builds I know a director of a pretty big regional they have half their office staff on redundancy notice.

Car biz remains busy for us to be expected at this time of year.

Douglas Quaid

2,282 posts

85 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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sagarich said:
Spoke to my Barber earlier and she's really struggling. I've seen them grow to 3 shops over the last 10 years, but in the last 12 months she has closed two and only just about covering overheads with the remaining premises.

Seems to be a mixture of biz rates, utilities and also customers reducing frequency to as much as 8 week gaps.
I know one. Electricity bill increased from £3k PA to £20k apparently. Not easy to soak up costs like that.

Regy53

264 posts

131 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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clockworks said:
Is the slowdown in construction a regional thing, or just certain sectors?

My lodger is the accounts department supervisor at a fairly large groundworks and development company here in the far Southwest. Mostly residential, a bit of commercial. Over 200 subbies on site, £20m+ turnover. What's causing them problems is shortage of labour, not lack of jobs on the books.
I think its a generic thing, especially due to intrest rises as below a lot of goverment spend has slowed, regional spend has slowed and the housing market is looking iffy. Although Ben5575 is showing it is still going ok, the amount of civils kit, and plant hire kit not working doing houses is pretty high, the numbers are way down on 2023 and not picking up (plant hire sector which hires to house knockers)

egor110 said:
@regy53

Do you sell much over to Poland?

We had s written off tractor collected and the salvage guy was saying people here are paying mental prices for written off machinery and that in Poland they get government grants to buy used stuff and fix it rather than buy brand new ( possibly could just be ag machinery though)
Poland is probably our second / third biggest customer, UK, USA, Poland then elsewhere in europe. Not sure on the grants etc. In 2008 Poland was the only country in the EU not to have a recession, infact i think it went 28 years without one until covid. In 08 they were the biggest buyer of used kit for sure and there was aplenty.

ben5575 said:
In other news I (developer in the north east) legally completed on three house sales on Friday and sold four between 9.30 and 12 noon yesterday.
Absolutly good news to hear

As i say it isnt making a great deal of sense but it just takes a while to wash through, it has been a intresting time with some quiet weeks in the last 18 months like oooo this is it and then were just back at it 100% busy, I presume the banking issues are going to raise eyebrows and banks may be forced to hold onto or get in some liquidity which may slow on some lending

Edited by Regy53 on Sunday 19th March 14:56

clockworks

5,361 posts

145 months

Sunday 19th March 2023
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Regy53 said:
clockworks said:
Is the slowdown in construction a regional thing, or just certain sectors?

My lodger is the accounts department supervisor at a fairly large groundworks and development company here in the far Southwest. Mostly residential, a bit of commercial. Over 200 subbies on site, £20m+ turnover. What's causing them problems is shortage of labour, not lack of jobs on the books.
I think its a generic thing, especially due to intrest rises as below a lot of goverment spend has slowed, regional spend has slowed and the housing market is looking iffy. Although Ben5575 is showing it is still going ok, the amount of civils kit, and plant hire kit not working doing houses is pretty high, the numbers are way down on 2023 and not picking up (plant hire sector which hires to house knockers)

egor110 said:
@regy53

Do you sell much over to Poland?

We had s written off tractor collected and the salvage guy was saying people here are paying mental prices for written off machinery and that in Poland they get government grants to buy used stuff and fix it rather than buy brand new ( possibly could just be ag machinery though)
Poland is probably our second / third biggest customer, UK, USA, Poland then elsewhere in europe. Not sure on the grants etc. In 2008 Poland was the only country in the EU not to have a recession, infact i think it went 28 years without one until covid. In 08 they were the biggest buyer of used kit for sure and there was aplenty.

ben5575 said:
In other news I (developer in the north east) legally completed on three house sales on Friday and sold four between 9.30 and 12 noon yesterday.
Absolutly good news to hear

As i say it isnt making a great deal of sense but it just takes a while to wash through, it has been a intresting time with some quiet weeks in the last 18 months like oooo this is it and then were just back at it 100% busy, I presume the banking issues are going to raise eyebrows and banks may be forced to hold onto or get in some liquidity which may slow on some lending

Edited by Regy53 on Sunday 19th March 14:56
I just mentioned this to her, and she is seeing no slowdown at all in residential development. Her employer has just got the start dates for 5 new developments, 100+ houses each, for national developers. Now struggling to find enough brickies and ground workers, also an extra QS. All new sites, due to get going within 3 months.

Seems like it's still boom time in Devon and Cornwall.

Aventador 700

1,867 posts

21 months

Monday 20th March 2023
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clockworks said:
Regy53 said:
clockworks said:
Is the slowdown in construction a regional thing, or just certain sectors?

My lodger is the accounts department supervisor at a fairly large groundworks and development company here in the far Southwest. Mostly residential, a bit of commercial. Over 200 subbies on site, £20m+ turnover. What's causing them problems is shortage of labour, not lack of jobs on the books.
I think its a generic thing, especially due to intrest rises as below a lot of goverment spend has slowed, regional spend has slowed and the housing market is looking iffy. Although Ben5575 is showing it is still going ok, the amount of civils kit, and plant hire kit not working doing houses is pretty high, the numbers are way down on 2023 and not picking up (plant hire sector which hires to house knockers)

egor110 said:
@regy53

Do you sell much over to Poland?

We had s written off tractor collected and the salvage guy was saying people here are paying mental prices for written off machinery and that in Poland they get government grants to buy used stuff and fix it rather than buy brand new ( possibly could just be ag machinery though)
Poland is probably our second / third biggest customer, UK, USA, Poland then elsewhere in europe. Not sure on the grants etc. In 2008 Poland was the only country in the EU not to have a recession, infact i think it went 28 years without one until covid. In 08 they were the biggest buyer of used kit for sure and there was aplenty.

ben5575 said:
In other news I (developer in the north east) legally completed on three house sales on Friday and sold four between 9.30 and 12 noon yesterday.
Absolutly good news to hear

As i say it isnt making a great deal of sense but it just takes a while to wash through, it has been a intresting time with some quiet weeks in the last 18 months like oooo this is it and then were just back at it 100% busy, I presume the banking issues are going to raise eyebrows and banks may be forced to hold onto or get in some liquidity which may slow on some lending

Edited by Regy53 on Sunday 19th March 14:56
I just mentioned this to her, and she is seeing no slowdown at all in residential development. Her employer has just got the start dates for 5 new developments, 100+ houses each, for national developers. Now struggling to find enough brickies and ground workers, also an extra QS. All new sites, due to get going within 3 months.

Seems like it's still boom time in Devon and Cornwall.
Again, finding more affluent development areas doing well, the gap will widen further i think with whats going on, same as top end car sales, still strong.

Development sites pur sae arent your usual affluent purchaser but when in a strong holiday let area? be interesting to hear on the target audience for these development areas in devon / cornwall?