Philips Hue Lighting - owners thread

Philips Hue Lighting - owners thread

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UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Tuesday 3rd August
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Interesting info above. I imagine a lag would seriously ruin the whole experience!

Heartworm

1,759 posts

131 months

Tuesday 3rd August
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dapprman said:
It's still an external device and unless one of you here has it and is able to confirm otherwise, every test I've seen on YouTube has suffered from lag, it's rivals use cameras and are cheaper, but I've only seen one comparison test and that actually produced better results with the cheaper rival.

Now if you're in the rare situation where you're buying a new TV - the ambilight system is truly superior, however at the costs of modern TVs it's not something you're going to go for just for the peripheral effect. I was able to go this route as my old plasma set was starting to struggle and had been displaying ghost images for years (BBC News 24 flash - as I tend to leave that channel running in the background when I'm home), additionally for me the Philips TV worked as well as it's rivals in within my budget and requirement.
It does not suffer lag.
You are comparing hue sync to things that are not part of hue. Hue sync receives a signal before your tv does.

I’m not a fan of it as a product as it doesn’t do 4K but it does what it does alright.

dapprman

1,579 posts

237 months

Wednesday 4th August
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Heartworm said:
It does not suffer lag.
You are comparing hue sync to things that are not part of hue. Hue sync receives a signal before your tv does.

I’m not a fan of it as a product as it doesn’t do 4K but it does what it does alright.
Putting aside my watching videos of it - unless we're talking about different uses, how can it get the signal before the TV ? The TV sends the signal to the HDMI box which then transmits it out. If you have an ambilight TV and link in Hue bulbs you do get a slight lag between built in lights and the external ones, which is noticeable when yo look when there is a big change in colour - I know this from personal experience with my own set up.

wjwren

3,971 posts

105 months

Wednesday 4th August
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Anyone know if Hue are going to bring out a tile similar to Nanoleaf?

BigBen

10,772 posts

200 months

Wednesday 4th August
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dapprman said:
Heartworm said:
It does not suffer lag.
You are comparing hue sync to things that are not part of hue. Hue sync receives a signal before your tv does.

I’m not a fan of it as a product as it doesn’t do 4K but it does what it does alright.
Putting aside my watching videos of it - unless we're talking about different uses, how can it get the signal before the TV ? The TV sends the signal to the HDMI box which then transmits it out. If you have an ambilight TV and link in Hue bulbs you do get a slight lag between built in lights and the external ones, which is noticeable when yo look when there is a big change in colour - I know this from personal experience with my own set up.
It sits between your source (sky box, dvd player, chromecast) and the TV so gets the signal before the TV, however 'before' is only provable on an expensive bit of measuring equipment rather than anything discernible to the eye or capable of making a significant difference to Hue performance. (unless Hue Sync buffers the video in some way but I doubt it does)

Heartworm

1,759 posts

131 months

Wednesday 4th August
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dapprman said:
Putting aside my watching videos of it - unless we're talking about different uses, how can it get the signal before the TV ? The TV sends the signal to the HDMI box which then transmits it out. If you have an ambilight TV and link in Hue bulbs you do get a slight lag between built in lights and the external ones, which is noticeable when yo look when there is a big change in colour - I know this from personal experience with my own set up.
Source (sky/console/firestick) —> hue Sync —> TV

The tv sends nothing to hue sync (as mentioned in previous posts). The time between screen and light changes is measured at less than 7ms.
Different set up and a different product from your hue bulbs.

Edited by Heartworm on Wednesday 4th August 13:09

phil4

952 posts

208 months

Wednesday 4th August
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Heartworm said:
Source (sky/console/firestick) —> hue Sync —> TV

The tv sends nothing to hue sync (as mentioned in previous posts). The time between screen and light changes is measured at less than 7ms.
Different set up and a different product from your hue bulbs.

Edited by Heartworm on Wednesday 4th August 13:09
Yep, thats how I do mine, but even further:

source -> Hue Sync -> AV Amp -> TV.

No noticeable lag.

dapprman

1,579 posts

237 months

Saturday 7th August
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Cheers, from what I had seen and from my understanding it was TV to HDMI bix to out, so I stand corrected.

Just for clarification, the lag I get is not with my ambilight TV it's with the Philips Hue B22 coloured bulbs in the same room that I linked in.

doc.martin

472 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th August
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Lucas Ayde said:
The wireless dimmers are indeed really good and you can mount the supplied magnetic holder to the wall to give you a wall switch (which can be removed and operated hand-held if you want).

I definitely remember seeing templates for 3D printed mounts that let you put the wall mount over a standard switch.
Are these any better than the little Hue buttons?

I have a couple of those and the battery life is so poor that my wife is threatening to throw them out and go back to old fashioned bulbs?

I thought of the Hue tap kinetic switch but those are quite pricy. I just want a simple switch that works and doesn’t run out of battery very 3 weeks!

UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Thursday 12th August
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I currently have 8 (!!) of the other dimmer switches you're referring to. Some are single ones and I've bought the 3D printed holders that fit over the existing switches, and some are double ones. Pics below.





UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Thursday 12th August
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In other news, I pulled the trigger on the TV sync system with the 55" TV strip light, which arrives at some point today. So I'll see how that looks later smile

doc.martin

472 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th August
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UTH said:
I currently have 8 (!!) of the other dimmer switches you're referring to. Some are single ones and I've bought the 3D printed holders that fit over the existing switches, and some are double ones. Pics below.




Have you found the battery life on these ok please?

UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Thursday 12th August
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doc.martin said:
Have you found the battery life on these ok please?
So far absolutely, but that said they don't really get that much use. I still probably use the app more often than the switches, and when I do use the switch it's a couple of presses of the button and that's it. The main reason I have bought so many is to stop people who don't know about Hue from switching them on and off at the main switch, as it's no use finding out someone has turned them off at the main switch when I come to turn things on with the app, if that makes sense.

doc.martin

472 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th August
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UTH said:
So far absolutely, but that said they don't really get that much use. I still probably use the app more often than the switches, and when I do use the switch it's a couple of presses of the button and that's it. The main reason I have bought so many is to stop people who don't know about Hue from switching them on and off at the main switch, as it's no use finding out someone has turned them off at the main switch when I come to turn things on with the app, if that makes sense.
Yes absolutely. The thing I have found is that people who are not as bought into the concept have little tolerance for the system if it does not work 100% of the time. My Hue buttons don’t get used much but even sitting idle they run out of power too frequently and as there is no facility for them to warm you to change the batteries the first you know about it is when they fail.

I’ll give the dimmer type switches a try to see if they are better - thanks

UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Thursday 12th August
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doc.martin said:
UTH said:
So far absolutely, but that said they don't really get that much use. I still probably use the app more often than the switches, and when I do use the switch it's a couple of presses of the button and that's it. The main reason I have bought so many is to stop people who don't know about Hue from switching them on and off at the main switch, as it's no use finding out someone has turned them off at the main switch when I come to turn things on with the app, if that makes sense.
Yes absolutely. The thing I have found is that people who are not as bought into the concept have little tolerance for the system if it does not work 100% of the time. My Hue buttons don’t get used much but even sitting idle they run out of power too frequently and as there is no facility for them to warm you to change the batteries the first you know about it is when they fail.

I’ll give the dimmer type switches a try to see if they are better - thanks
Given Covid and house renovation, we've not really had many, if any, people to stay over for the night. I'm sure when that starts happening people will be very confused as to how to get any lights on, as people expect a normal light switch and probably assume all these hue switches are for something else. Maybe something I'll explain to people when they arrive!

dapprman

1,579 posts

237 months

Thursday 12th August
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Unless I'm unlucky the new V2 version of the dimmer has far shorter battery life. I have 4 of the original ones, never had to swap the batteries on one, the first has been used near daily for 2 years+. The V2 came with a flat battery, installed a new one, and that lasted just 3 months with minimal use!! - hoping I was just unlucky with the battery.

number2

2,002 posts

157 months

Thursday 12th August
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I've a few of these, no batteries required and can sit over a blanking plate if you want. https://www.senic.com/friends-of-hue-smart-switch?...

I use them all the time as it's far easier than getting a phone out. I use the app to set scenes which work really well over multiple lights - lots of GU10 in the kitchen.

The switches can be configured multiple ways so while there are two rockers there are in theory 12 applications... short press, long press, both pressed etc. as well as setting different actions depending on time.

UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Friday 13th August
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Little update on the TV sync system.

Watched Thor with Mrs UTH last night. I think I'm very much still trying to find the sweet spot in terms of intensity and brightness setting.
First reaction is that at times it was awesome, but at other times it was unnecessary. It would be good if there was a way for the system to know that it's just not required - like two people having a normal conversation and switching from one person to the other, the switching of the lighting just isn't needed. But then of course a big action sequence you probably want it full blast.

So, the jury is still out, lots of playing around to do.....probably requires a bit of experimentation with a single scene with several settings to settle on the best option.

I think it'll be an awesome addition to drunken dancing around to a music channel though, putting it on the music setting looked brilliant when I tried briefly this morning. (Not the drunken bit I may add)

phil4

952 posts

208 months

Friday 13th August
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Yep, I get you entirely.

I'll be honest, even without changing the settings (brightness is just under halfway, and intensity set to high... I find that less of a problem, not because it doesn't happen, but because I've stopped staring at the lights, and instead watch the TV and let them add to the ambience. Does that make sense?

UTH

3,218 posts

148 months

Friday 13th August
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phil4 said:
Yep, I get you entirely.

I'll be honest, even without changing the settings (brightness is just under halfway, and intensity set to high... I find that less of a problem, not because it doesn't happen, but because I've stopped staring at the lights, and instead watch the TV and let them add to the ambience. Does that make sense?
Yeah very much so. We started a second film (gave up and went to bed half way) and even having only used it for a couple of hours, I think I found myself starting to get used to it and focussing on the film and not the lights. So over time I imagine it'll blend in much better, at the moment it's still very new so hard to stop looking at every detail of the lights.