Apple admit to 'Slowing Down iPhones'
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Blown2CV said:
- all batteries degrade over time. No one whines to Dell because their laptop can't handle not being plugged in any more. It isn't a conspiracy, you are just looking for one.
With the iPhone battery issue, the cause was masked, so the shift in a reasonable and logical conclusion went from:
"My phone isn't last long on battery." or "I'm seeing massive drops in battery power level."
To:
"Well, my phone is lasting as long as it always did, it's just slower, so it must be old and need replacing."
Rawwr said:
But that's the crux of the issue. When a battery degrades in a laptop, you know because it only lasts less time on the battery, to the point where people can't use them without being on mains all the time. It's a very noticeable effect.
With the iPhone battery issue, the cause was masked, so the shift in a reasonable and logical conclusion went from:
"My phone isn't last long on battery." or "I'm seeing massive drops in battery power level."
To:
"Well, my phone is lasting as long as it always did, it's just slower, so it must be old and need replacing."
Correct. Don't upset the devoted though.With the iPhone battery issue, the cause was masked, so the shift in a reasonable and logical conclusion went from:
"My phone isn't last long on battery." or "I'm seeing massive drops in battery power level."
To:
"Well, my phone is lasting as long as it always did, it's just slower, so it must be old and need replacing."
The down clocking was for their own good you know. It was pure coincidence that it occurred just before the release of a new handset. Honest,
Cobnapint said:
Correct. Don't upset the devoted though.
The down clocking was for their own good you know. It was pure coincidence that it occurred just before the release of a new handset. Honest,
Not to mention that Apple has now retracted the downclocking. Because... you know... it's not really necessary? I'm confused.The down clocking was for their own good you know. It was pure coincidence that it occurred just before the release of a new handset. Honest,
Anyone want to help me out to clarify? Are our phones now going to become very unstable?
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 26th January 14:00
i am very much not a devotee. I am currently sat waiting for apple store to repair the phone again after they broke it when doing the battery replacement. Admittedly I am sat with a glass of wine in selfridges but that's besides the point. I was mainly endeavouring to counter "the haters" and trolls, but clearly they don't exist and it's all a figment of my imagination. It's amazing how willing many people are to find a scandal these days. Maybe Apple didn't think they were doing a bad thing, and are now frantically trying to put it right. Many companies might have risked the "f
k off" approach, but at least they are fronting up and trying to sort peoples' phones out.
k off" approach, but at least they are fronting up and trying to sort peoples' phones out.Blown2CV said:
I was mainly endeavouring to counter "the haters" and trolls, but clearly they don't exist and it's all a figment of my imagination
I never said that! Preposterous thing to say. I said some of those people have posted on this thread but you shouldn't lump those people in with the sane people making valid points.One thing I can agree on that the evidence is mainly circumstantial.
But it's a number of things and some big coincidences are required.
As I said before, you assume they were incompetent (as in putting in an apparently unneeded feature that made the phone feel a lot slower than it should be), I assume they are guilty (as in trying to get people to upgrade by artificially slowing down their 2yo device).
But it's a number of things and some big coincidences are required.
As I said before, you assume they were incompetent (as in putting in an apparently unneeded feature that made the phone feel a lot slower than it should be), I assume they are guilty (as in trying to get people to upgrade by artificially slowing down their 2yo device).
No doubt. I'm not saying that older devices getting newer functions couldn't run slower, no-one is. All phones suffer from that.
That doesn't mean it should be built-in to do that imho (maybe I'm a bit demanding?).
It's like saying "yeah, a car loses hp over time, so I don't care that Audi detuned my A4 after 4 years".
My 2 cents is that their CPU's and other hardware are now at a point where a 2 year upgrade cycle isn't necessary to keep up performance, and an iPhone 6 is perfectly adequate to keep up with everything. Because of that, they created that necessity artificially, based on the fact that we got used to in the past decade when it wasn't artificial. Don't forget that the iPhone on it's own makes up over 50% of Apple's profits. The impact of half the 2 year upgraders changing their cycle to 3 years is immense.
Same goes for the computer business. A lot of home computers these days easily last 6 years and longer. Imagine if we were used to just switching them every ~3 years. Apple, Dell, HP,... would make an absolute fortune on their computers.
That doesn't mean it should be built-in to do that imho (maybe I'm a bit demanding?).
It's like saying "yeah, a car loses hp over time, so I don't care that Audi detuned my A4 after 4 years".
My 2 cents is that their CPU's and other hardware are now at a point where a 2 year upgrade cycle isn't necessary to keep up performance, and an iPhone 6 is perfectly adequate to keep up with everything. Because of that, they created that necessity artificially, based on the fact that we got used to in the past decade when it wasn't artificial. Don't forget that the iPhone on it's own makes up over 50% of Apple's profits. The impact of half the 2 year upgraders changing their cycle to 3 years is immense.
Same goes for the computer business. A lot of home computers these days easily last 6 years and longer. Imagine if we were used to just switching them every ~3 years. Apple, Dell, HP,... would make an absolute fortune on their computers.
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 26th January 15:23
Blown2CV said:
all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.
It is to ME!Can you please show me the source of this claim so that I can avoid these manufacturers?
I've had plenty of cars over 7 years old that ran perfectly and just needed easy to get replacement parts that can be installed by anyone with the proper amount of fingers. Are you saying I just picked the ones that weren't designed to stopped working after said period?
I know things aren't always designed to last long. I also know that things are tested to a certain use and extend. That's all everyday business.
What I don't know, and you do apparently, is that most things are MEANT to fail after X time. If I learn of any such practices from electronics, cars, bikes, appliances, I will avoid these manufacturers like the plague.
So please, give me an article that shows that a certain car was made to just last 7 years?
ZesPak said:
Blown2CV said:
all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.
It is to ME!Can you please show me the source of this claim so that I can avoid these manufacturers?
I've had plenty of cars over 7 years old that ran perfectly and just needed easy to get replacement parts that can be installed by anyone with the proper amount of fingers. Are you saying I just picked the ones that weren't designed to stopped working after said period?
I know things aren't always designed to last long. I also know that things are tested to a certain use and extend. That's all everyday business.
What I don't know, and you do apparently, is that most things are MEANT to fail after X time. If I learn of any such practices from electronics, cars, bikes, appliances, I will avoid these manufacturers like the plague.
So please, give me an article that shows that a certain car was made to just last 7 years?
Blown2CV said:
all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.
It probably would be a scandal if they were remotely remapping your car to reduce it's power once it hit 60k miles 
ZesPak said:
One thing I can agree on that the evidence is mainly circumstantial.
But it's a number of things and some big coincidences are required.
As I said before, you assume they were incompetent (as in putting in an apparently unneeded feature that made the phone feel a lot slower than it should be), I assume they are guilty (as in trying to get people to upgrade by artificially slowing down their 2yo device).
If the cost of removing this is unacceptably short battery life on older phones, I hope they're going to include a switch in settings to turn it back on.But it's a number of things and some big coincidences are required.
As I said before, you assume they were incompetent (as in putting in an apparently unneeded feature that made the phone feel a lot slower than it should be), I assume they are guilty (as in trying to get people to upgrade by artificially slowing down their 2yo device).
Blown2CV said:
i am very much not a devotee. I am currently sat waiting for apple store to repair the phone again after they broke it when doing the battery replacement. Admittedly I am sat with a glass of wine in selfridges but that's besides the point. I was mainly endeavouring to counter "the haters" and trolls, but clearly they don't exist and it's all a figment of my imagination. It's amazing how willing many people are to find a scandal these days. Maybe Apple didn't think they were doing a bad thing, and are now frantically trying to put it right. Many companies might have risked the "fk off" approach, but at least they are fronting up and trying to sort peoples' phones out.
What phone are you using to type your message? k off" approach, but at least they are fronting up and trying to sort peoples' phones out.
Blown2CV said:
all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.
Considerably less than that with Android phones judging by how many are stuck on ancient versions of the OS...Gassing Station | Computers, Gadgets & Stuff | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff